jjakq27 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 TJ was on the Lance McAlister show yesterday afternoon answering questions.He said it is still too early to make any judgements on how things are going and whether he will stay with the Bengals. He said to check back in about a month.Lance asked him about getting comparable money to Brandon Stokley's deal and he said he wasn't going to balk if he didn't get the same amount but wasn't going to be stupid about it either. I think BS's deal was like $17M for 4 years.He also reiterated, what he told Lance at the end of the season, that he believes that the Bengals offense will be one of the top ones in the league if he and Rudi both resign. He said if you looked at what Palmer did in his last three or four games and with the following guys (Chad, Kelley W., Kenny Watson, Chris Perry, Rudi, TJ, PDub) that they would put up a lot of points. He said that if they run Brat's offense properly, someone will always be open. I did find it puzzling that he didn't mention any of the TEs.He also mentioned that he felt like he and Chad had the most success against NE's DBs this year. He said if they had not made a few mistakes, that they would have beaten the Pats. (Warning to Pats Blowhards: I am just repeating what the man said.)He said he talks to Corey Dillon about once a week and that he was happy for his friend and he talks to Rudi also and he is serious about his threat to sit out. He said basically Rudi wants to be part of the long term picture here.As the segment ended, Lance reminded him that he would be in deep **it if he signed with the Steelers and Ravens.It was refereshing to hear someone actually speak their mind and be open about their feelings rather than the calculated jock-speak that we are used to getting anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Sounds like a good interview, although I never dreamed about TJ getting that kind of money. Resigning both of them is starting to look more and more like a pipe dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Stokely's extension was actually for 5 years, not 4. It's been mentioned as a model for any TJ deal. I've always figured it would take something in that neighborhood to hang on to Housh. But again, the question is, do you spend $17 million or so on TJ this year, or let him go and spend $25-30 million on Warrick next year, or let them both walk and count on Kwash and some WR to be drafted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nice job on the summary jak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Stokely's extension was actually for 5 years, not 4. It's been mentioned as a model for any TJ deal. I've always figured it would take something in that neighborhood to hang on to Housh. But again, the question is, do you spend $17 million or so on TJ this year, or let him go and spend $25-30 million on Warrick next year, or let them both walk and count on Kwash and some WR to be drafted? I don't like option 2 or 3 at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly McRailnob Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 "Lance asked him about getting comparable money to Brandon Stokley's deal and he said he wasn't going to balk if he didn't get the same amount but wasn't going to be stupid about it either."If Stokley got $17 for 5, why not offer TJ $14 or $15 for 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 "Lance asked him about getting comparable money to Brandon Stokley's deal and he said he wasn't going to balk if he didn't get the same amount but wasn't going to be stupid about it either."If Stokley got $17 for 5, why not offer TJ $14 or $15 for 5? He said Stokely's contract doesn't mean anything to him because it could be structured in a way where Stokely would never see half of the money. He said he has made it clear all along the Bengals don't have to outbid the competition for him to stay here and that he would stay for less but he's not going to be stupid and if someone offers him a lot more then he will go.I think 3 million a year for 4 or 5 years would keep him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 that still seems to be an awful lot to me. How about 5 years at 12 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsFan77 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 i think we shouldnt let TJ get away. wiht warrick coming back healthy, hes going to have a big year next year, the last year on his deal. and he IS going to want big money to resign. i dont think warrick will be here in 06, and we dont want to rely on KW or the draft for reliable wrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Is Warrick going to be a malcontent if we resign TJ, and Housh starts over him?!?!?Could that break up some chemistry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 When TJ was talking about how good our offense is going to be next year and all the weapons we have on the team, the one player he didn't mention is Warrick. I thought that was very interesting, although he could have just forgot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Is Warrick going to be a malcontent if we resign TJ, and Housh starts over him?!?!?Could that break up some chemistry? I am sure that Marvin will point to the success that the Colts had with three guys this year and convince PDub that he will get his share. I also got the impression that the club wasn't happy with his rehab last year and may have given him a bit of a threat to do his work and come to camp ready. I don't there are any guarantees on this team either. They even took a near MVP QB and benched him in favor of some second year guy that never took a snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 When TJ was talking about how good our offense is going to be next year and all the weapons we have on the team, the one player he didn't mention is Warrick. I thought that was very interesting, although he could have just forgot. If they resign TJ, the smart move would be to deal Warrick. He's going into his final year so the cap hit isn't an issue; in fact it would free up space. But with his spotty career performance and injury questions it's tough to see any team giving up a lot for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisk Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Is Warrick going to be a malcontent if we resign TJ, and Housh starts over him?!?!?I also got the impression that the club wasn't happy with his rehab last year and may have given him a bit of a threat to do his work and come to camp ready. I don't there are any guarantees on this team either. They even took a near MVP QB and benched him in favor of some second year guy that never took a snap. NOT HAPPY WITH HIS REHAB! I heard from a good source (If you can count a Bartender, where PDub is a regular, as a good source) that the club is NOT happy with Warrick at all. The bartender claimed that PDub admitted, after he left, that he may not be back due to Bengals' dispair over his rehab and 2 bouts with alcohol poisoning since his hiatus. I know! I found it interesting that no report has ever been heard about alcohol and a problem with PDub - and you know how the press loves to jump on those things! (See Smith, Justin or Huggins, Bob - although I actually enjoyed the latter, foregone chapter of many Bearcat fiascos). But having watched Warrick leave and then have the Barkeep immediately make this quote may lend some credence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I highly doubt anything that bartender said is true regarding the Bengals simply letting him go. There are a LOT of Bengals who drink too much and have drinking problems in their private lives - not sure why they'd single one of their top 3-4 players out.Now if he doesn't rehab and work hard enough this off-season and comes into mini-camps out of shape then there's a problem - but nothing in his recent history has suggested he doesn't work to keep in shape - prior to last year he was in the best physical shape of his life.I could see having to sit out an entire year of football for the first time since he was probably 12 years old would cause someone to lay on the booze too much honestly. At least he didn't get a DUI or embarrass the Bengals.I only say all of this because he has been a consistent, productive player who has kept himself in great shape since he's been here.I really think his production next year will determine his future, not much else.Also, TJ will not get $3mm a year here, if anywhere - maybe a nice signing bonus though.And Warrick will NEVER command a $25-$30mm contract for God's sakes - the guy missed a whole year last year and will have to come back in a huge way this year to get anywhere near that, which he won't. I would love to see TJ back as everyone else would - but I am not sure the Bengals' are going to be able to do it at this point if someone outbids them by a decent margin...guess we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Dead on it Shula Steakhouse. I admire P-Dub for coming back the last game of 2003 season w/ playoff life left after he got his knee scoped less than 2 weeks before. Hard for a WR to do, especially a stop-dime route runner like P-Dub.And he gave it a go at the start of 2004 too. So I'll drink to his health for 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Also, TJ will not get $3mm a year here, if anywhere - maybe a nice signing bonus though.And Warrick will NEVER command a $25-$30mm contract for God's sakes - the guy missed a whole year last year and will have to come back in a huge way this year to get anywhere near that, which he won't.Of course I assume Warrick will come back. If he doesn't we'll have little choice than to draft a replacement next year (assuming they don't draft one this year). And that's one of the arguments in favor of keeping TJ.As to dollar amounts, when guys like Stokely are averaging over $3 million a year and McCaerens over $4 million a year (and his numbers, even counting last year, are still worse than P-dub's), $3 million a year for TJ is far from unthinkable. Warrick's total will depend on how long a team is willing to sign a 28-year-old receiver next year, but with franchise numbers for wideouts over $7 million a year and guys worse than him getting more than $4 million per, he'll pull in $5 million per year easy with a decent 2005 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 as i look at it, i like tj and pdub but if they are gonna garner big contracts, we can always get the same value for cheaper. the only positive with both is that they know the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Anyone remember Darney Scotts' late 90's contract extension.?I think it was 11-12 million for 3 or 4 years ? You figure about 30% of that is signing bonus so I think this is a fair offer for T.J. Keeps Him and P-dub in the same financial ball park !--- It's going to be real interesting around here though if T.J. is Transitioned, and Rudi is Franchised especially come draft day.* You'd have to think that if a guy like Edwards,Williams,or Troy Williamson(fastest WR in the draft 4.39 ) falls to # 17, Marvin may have to jump on them just for the long term stability of the Wr corps. :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 No way they transition TJ. WR transition tag is over $6 million. http://www.theredzone.org/2004/freeagents/2004tags.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 we can always get the same value for cheaper. the only positive with both is that they know the offense. I don't know about that. I think it's harder to replace wide-outs than people seem to think. I've seen this team go through receivers, and I've often questioned the rep that the local press gives some of them. For a variety of reasons, Chris Collinsworth, Isaac Curtis, Steve Kreider, and company, with the backs and tight ends, got a lot done, effectively and efficiently. I haven't seen anything like it around here since. Eddie Brown, Tim McGee, Mike Martin, Ira Hillary, et al were good, but there was some drop off from the former unit as far as reliability goes. Eddie Brown's hands weren't nearly as good in catching Boomer's missles as they were when he was catching Bernie Kosar's softballs college. Then people made a big deal out of Carl Pickens and Darnay Scott. They were decent, but I never saw them as being close in effectiveness to previous number 1, Collinsworth, or even Eddie Brown. Chad Johnson is the first number 1 that I've seen around here that I view as the kind of weapon that Curtis, Collinsworth and to a lesser extent Eddie Brown were in their respective eras. Peter Warrick has been slow in developing and has suffered a set-back, but he's shown flashes of the kind of heart, commitment and ability that set receivers apart at this level. TJ showed glimpses of it when he first came up, and after getting untracked following his injury, he's performed very professionally. Someone at this site once said something about what any professional receiver should be expected to do. Well, how many of these guys are REAL pros? I believe that TJ is.To be sure, part of the reason Pickens and Scott didn't do more is the surrounding environment, including the composition of the receiving corps to which they belonged. That's exactly why I think it would not be good to break up the current receiving group that the Bengals have. Knowledge of the offense is a very large positive, and it is part of the opportunity that the Bengals have to build something very special with this offense. For the sake of continuity and keeping certain intangibles in the positioin, I hope that the Bengals are able to augment rather than replace the components that they have in Chad, Warrick and TJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 No way they transition TJ. WR transition tag is over $6 million. http://www.theredzone.org/2004/freeagents/2004tags.asp Didn't know the number was that high. T.J. is a Restricted FRee agent right. We have the right of first refusal etc. I think the 12 million per 4 years is more than fine. Stokely was far more productive with different teams before coming on with the Colts. On my ESPN 2k5, I was able to resign Rudi for 5 years 24.61 million. Averages out to 3.8 mil a year T.J. resigned for 5 years 14 million. Of Course Cincy went 19-0, won the Super Bowl 42-3 over the Rams. Rudi ran for over 2100 yards with 38 touchdowns and ran away with the MVP. CJ added in 1600 yards receiving with 14 touchdowns on 95 catches. Palmer had 33 td's and 18 ints. But the player of the team was Justin Smith with an incredible 56.5 sacks Oh yeah we beat the Patriots 38-7 in a blizzard in the AFC Championship game.* Interesting Note, We hosted the Colts in the second round of the Playoffs, and Peyton Manning was just as bad as in real life in the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Actually TJ was a restricted free agent last year, that's when we tendered him the minimum $628K salary. Now he is an unrestricted free agent, the only way we can restrict his movements is to tag him, which we won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 On my ESPN 2k5, I was able to resign Rudi for 5 years 24.61 million. Averages out to 3.8 mil a year T.J. resigned for 5 years 14 million. Of Course Cincy went 19-0, won the Super Bowl 42-3 over the Rams. Rudi ran for over 2100 yards with 38 touchdowns and ran away with the MVP. CJ added in 1600 yards receiving with 14 touchdowns on 95 catches. Palmer had 33 td's and 18 ints. But the player of the team was Justin Smith with an incredible 56.5 sacks  Oh yeah we beat the Patriots 38-7 in a blizzard in the AFC Championship game.* Interesting Note, We hosted the Colts in the second round of the Playoffs, and Peyton Manning was just as bad as in real life in the playoffs :lol: That gets my nomination for post of the month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsman Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 i think we should cut pw and keep the 3 mil cap space and resign tudi and tj then pick up burress or draft a wr i like williams he fits in with palmer as both usc boys. also we need to make sure we have a dt that can make and impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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