HoosierCat Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 The human interest angle, from Prisco...http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8073769 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 It's too bad Frazier seems like he feel betrayed. But if he didn't think he was signing up for more than a 2 yr gig, then he proly shouldn't have signed the bottom line for a 2 yr deal.I can see his point about being told no changes were expected then getting the ax 2 days later. That was ruthless If ML didn't do it on purpose to instill fear, then either he don't mean what he says, someone better than Frazier forced the issue, or Mike is still the zookeeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 he shoulda signed an option for a 3rd. but ya, i feel bad for the guy and his family. he'll get a job, dunno if it'll be a DC though. gl to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 The move is interesting, considering the comments about "no changes expected." I guess you can argue about what constitutes a "change."Nevertheless, Marvin and Frazier have different philosophies and Frazier's contract was up anyway. If a move was going to be made, now was the time to do it before signing any extensions and before the coaches get really involved in the draft and other offseason work. I see it simply as a business decision. As Marvin continues to mold the team in his image, he's going to upgrade parts along the way. That means that various coaches, players, scouts and others will be cut or fired. Sure, Frazier is a great person; there's no doubt about that and you have to feel for him and his family, but that's the life of a coach. I'm sure that it won't be long before he's hired on with another organization.If there had been no comment about "no changes expected," I would think of it as a pure business decision and nothing more. I don't know what the motives were in Marvin saying "no changes" a couple days ago, but I'm going to give Marvin the benefit of the doubt. I have to think there was some logic behind the "no changes" statement and then the firing.... I guess I'm just not enough of a conspiracy theorist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 I don't think there's any need for conspiracy theories or to resort to backroom machinations by Mikey. I'm sure it was just Lewis not wanting to fire Frazier through the media, which would have been pretty classless.The question the sportsline article crystallized for me is, how does letting Frazier go impact future attempts by Marvin to attract quality assistants to Cincy? I mean, let's face it, it's tough to argue that Frazier was let go for failure to perform. And in fact that isn't being argued at all, even by the Bengals. Instead it's all about "philosophical differences."Well...stuff happens. But no two coaches coach in exactly the same way, and for any assistant coach or coordinator looking at a job in Cincy, I have a feeling that this is going to raise caution flags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Still think Chuck is going to be the new guy? If so, I kind of expected it to be done already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Still think Chuck is going to be the new guy? If so, I kind of expected it to be done already. Dunno, but probably. I haven't heard a peep about them setting up interviews with any prospective candidates, and with FA starting in, what, about 7 weeks and the draft shortly thereafter you want a staff in place. So you have to think that the apparent lack of urgency indicates an in-house candidate who would present a minimum of transition problems (i.e. Bresnahan). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Still think Chuck is going to be the new guy? If so, I kind of expected it to be done already.Dunno, but probably. I haven't heard a peep about them setting up interviews with any prospective candidates, and with FA starting in, what, about 7 weeks and the draft shortly thereafter you want a staff in place. So you have to think that the apparent lack of urgency indicates an in-house candidate who would present a minimum of transition problems (i.e. Bresnahan). Yeah, I'd expect it to be him as well. At the same time, if they had already decided on him, I'm not sure why they didn't just announce shortly afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SycamoreBengal48 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Still think Chuck is going to be the new guy? If so, I kind of expected it to be done already. i think the reason it hasnt been done already is he is looking into san fransico coaching jobs. bresnahans daughter goes to my school and is in my class as a write this but she was saying they are "looking" at san fransico and around the league. she said they have to look everywhere and do whats right for him. so who knows if hes going to be here or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Still think Chuck is going to be the new guy? If so, I kind of expected it to be done already.i think the reason it hasnt been done already is he is looking into san fransico coaching jobs. bresnahans daughter goes to my school and is in my class as a write this but she was saying they are "looking" at san fransico and around the league. she said they have to look everywhere and do whats right for him. so who knows if hes going to be here or not. Great inside info, SycamoreBengal! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Keep us posted if you hear anything else SycamoreBengal48. :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SycamoreBengal48 Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 From this morning's Enquirer:"GOING HOME: Former Bengals defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier might be going back to the origin of his NFL career.Let go on Wednesday, Frazier could be re-united with former Chicago teammate and Philadelphia assistant coach Ron Rivera, now Bears defensive coordinator.The contract of Chicago defensive backs coach Vance Bedford is up, and Bedford, who played at the University of Texas, might be going home to become Longhorns defensive coordinator.Frazier, before accepting the coordinator's job with the Bengals, was defensive backs coach for four seasons with the Eagles. In 2002, three of the four starting Philadelphia defensive backs earned Pro Bowl honors. Linebackers coach Rivera and Frazier coached together with the Eagles for four seasons.Frazier declined comment about a possible job with the Bears when reached Sunday night but remained optimistic: "That even though things didn't work out with the Bengals, I have a calm that things will be better in the future." " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3305234Marvin Lewis wanted to hire Baltimore's Rex Ryan as his defensive coordinator, but the Ravens told Ryan he couldn't leave. Ryan was also pursued last year by the Oakland Raiders, who settled on his brother, Rob, instead. Seems like Chuck Bresnahan isn`t the "lock"to get the job like every1 was thinking. He obviously wasn`t/isn`t Marvin`s 1st choice anyway ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3305234Marvin Lewis wanted to hire Baltimore's Rex Ryan as his defensive coordinator, but the Ravens told Ryan he couldn't leave. Ryan was also pursued last year by the Oakland Raiders, who settled on his brother, Rob, instead. Seems like Chuck Bresnahan isn`t the "lock"to get the job like every1 was thinking. He obviously wasn`t/isn`t Marvin`s 1st choice anyway ! No one called Bresnahan a lock. Sycamore's info, that he's exploring his options, doesn't mean Marvin hasn't approached him about the job in Cincy. Or that Marvin isn't exploring other possibilities as well.The Rex Ryan report is interesting...but if you let your existing DC go because he favors an agressive defense with multpile fronts and blitz packages over a more conventional defense that relies on the front four to get pressure...I wouldn't think that one of Buddy Ryan's kids would be the first place you'd turn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3305234Marvin Lewis wanted to hire Baltimore's Rex Ryan as his defensive coordinator, but the Ravens told Ryan he couldn't leave. Ryan was also pursued last year by the Oakland Raiders, who settled on his brother, Rob, instead. Seems like Chuck Bresnahan isn`t the "lock"to get the job like every1 was thinking. He obviously wasn`t/isn`t Marvin`s 1st choice anyway !No one called Bresnahan a lock. Sycamore's info, that he's exploring his options, doesn't mean Marvin hasn't approached him about the job in Cincy. Or that Marvin isn't exploring other possibilities as well.The Rex Ryan report is interesting...but if you let your existing DC go because he favors an agressive defense with multpile fronts and blitz packages over a more conventional defense that relies on the front four to get pressure...I wouldn't think that one of Buddy Ryan's kids would be the first place you'd turn... Do you just wait for me to post so you can dispute it ? lol just kidding. ALOT of people were thinking that he was going to get the job...that`s what I was saying. Anyway I was just saying that it seems that Marvin hasbeen looking at other options rather than they guy thatwas hired in May and "almost" every1 thought was 1st inline to be hired for the job. I wish he would hire Jim Bates from the Dolphins orEmmit Thomas from the Falcons. (which was his 1st choice overLeslie Frazier anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Do you just wait for me to post so you can dispute it ? lol just kidding. ALOT of people were thinking that he was going to get the job...that`s what I was saying. Anyway I was just saying that it seems that Marvin hasbeen looking at other options rather than they guy thatwas hired in May and "almost" every1 thought was 1st inline to be hired for the job. I wish he would hire Jim Bates from the Dolphins orEmmit Thomas from the Falcons. (which was his 1st choice overLeslie Frazier anyway) Do you just wait for me to post so you can dispute it ? It passes the time I wish he would hire Jim Bates from the Dolphins or Emmit Thomas from the Falcons. (which was his 1st choice over Leslie Frazier anyway)Saw a blurb somewhere -- Enquirer, I think -- to the effect that the Falcs would let Thomas interview this time around, but that the Bengals hadn't called. Bates would be at the top of my list, too, but he's been sending signals about being interested in the HC job in Cleveburg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3305234Marvin Lewis wanted to hire Baltimore's Rex Ryan as his defensive coordinator, but the Ravens told Ryan he couldn't leave. Ryan was also pursued last year by the Oakland Raiders, who settled on his brother, Rob, instead. Seems like Chuck Bresnahan isn`t the "lock"to get the job like every1 was thinking. He obviously wasn`t/isn`t Marvin`s 1st choice anyway !No one called Bresnahan a lock. Sycamore's info, that he's exploring his options, doesn't mean Marvin hasn't approached him about the job in Cincy. Or that Marvin isn't exploring other possibilities as well.The Rex Ryan report is interesting...but if you let your existing DC go because he favors an agressive defense with multpile fronts and blitz packages over a more conventional defense that relies on the front four to get pressure...I wouldn't think that one of Buddy Ryan's kids would be the first place you'd turn... I don't agree with the idea that he let Frazier go because his defense wasn't conservative enough. It seems to me as if it had more to do with a clash of styles. Then again, it's all speculation. Nice to have a coach the inner workings of the organization where they belong...inside the organization and not outside in the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I don't agree with the idea that he let Frazier go because his defense wasn't conservative enough. It seems to me as if it had more to do with a clash of styles. Then again, it's all speculation. Nice to have a coach the inner workings of the organization where they belong...inside the organization and not outside in the media. I doubt that you'd see anything like what happened in the Jets playoffs game Saturday between Edwards and their RB coach. I never did hear what they were fighting about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I don't agree with the idea that he let Frazier go because his defense wasn't conservative enough. It seems to me as if it had more to do with a clash of styles. Then again, it's all speculation. Nice to have a coach the inner workings of the organization where they belong...inside the organization and not outside in the media.I doubt that you'd see anything like what happened in the Jets playoffs game Saturday between Edwards and their RB coach. I never did hear what they were fighting about. I was over at the JetsInsider site, and it's completely a non-issue with Jets fans. The Jet's won, everybody is happy, and it's over. They are focusing on the Steelers right now, which is exactly what they should be doing.BTW, the Jets/Chargers game was the best playoff game of the weekend, IMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IfItsBrownFlushItDown Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Just saw on ESPN News that Jim Bates will not return to the Dolphins next year, not that I blame him. Think we should pursue him? Miami's D has carried that team to its few wins in recent years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Just saw on ESPN News that Jim Bates will not return to the Dolphins next year, not that I blame him. Think we should pursue him? Hell, yes!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 The question is "Is this a great Defensive coordinator, or jus a dcoordinator with a great defense (players) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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