HoosierCat Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Whoops.Read it again and Curnutte says Zampese is expected to be a candidate, not that he's definitely gone yet. Sounds like his ties w/ Lovie w/ the Rams would put him on the short list, though. The Bengals would have to give the Bears permission to talk to him, tho. That's no longer an automatic-permission-if-its-a-promotion thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Odd, tho, he's been very supportive of Leslie all year, even using the game where he called the plays instead of Frazier as an example that, it wasn't the guy calling the plays that was the problem.That's just an example of Marvin being a class coach. He doesn't hang his guy out in the middle of the season or jump on him in the media. I agree that they brough Bresnahan in in anticipation of this possibility and that the decision was made a couple of months ago, but they didn't want to disrupt the team in the meantime. Sounds pretty likely. It's an interesting call by Marvin. On the one hand, Frazier has done wonders with he's had to work with...one the other hand, like I said in another thread, Lewis has to look at improving everything, and when your D is 19 out of 32...well, yeah, you need some improving.I suppose I really can't complain after all the years we had here of poor to mediocre coaches that just hung around and around and around and around. Before lewis, going from 28 to 19 would be cause for a contract extension! Just another sign that things really have changed in Cincy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Sox,Zampese is gone to the Bears to be OC, according to Curnutte. Possibly-but what if the Bengals offered him the same deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Hey jjakg27, I seen you were on the ball the other day, you had the first Question in Marvin's enquierer chat! It helps to have good keyboarding skills! Seriously though, when I logged on there were only three people there. By the end there were over 75. I asked a few more questions that didn't get answered. But it is kind of a neat thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I don't think they will make Zampese OC. It would be hard to can a guy (Bratkoski) that had two guys set a recieving record and a RB set a rushing record. Unless of course there are some personal differences there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Way to represent though, If I would have known I would have flooded the place with questions, and I would have been plugging my resume! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Way to represent though, If I would have known I would have flooded the place with questions, and I would have been plugging my resume! Gotta be out front for my homeys here on Bengalszone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Not too surprised by the Frazier firing. But I'm really glad we can refuse to allow Zampese to talk to other teams. Zampese was brought here for one specific purpose, and that was to educate Palmer on the finer points of being an NFL quarterback. Since Zampese's tutelage has turned 2 other quarterbacks into NFL MVP's , I thinks it's a wise decision to keep the guy around and maybe throw in a couple of extra bucks and a Mini-Van !Chuck Bresnahan had better be aggressive, that's for sure. If we can go find Marvin Lewis ( outside the Brown Family connection ), then I know we can find a Defensive Co-ordinator that fits that bill as well. I would like to see Cincy' at least try to grab a big name DC from another team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Just something I saw while checking out football sites and found interesting:Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports Cincinnati Bengals former defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier was not head coach Marvin Lewis' first choice as a defensive coordinator when the team added him. The team wanted to interview Emmitt Thomas for the position, but the Atlanta Falcons denied the Bengals permission to do so. Should the Bengals choose to pursue Thomas this time, the Falcons are expected to grant permission to them to speak with him. According to the report, a Falcons' spokeswoman had no information on whether the Bengals have asked or been granted permission to speak with Thomas at this time. WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I would like to see Cincy' at least try to grab a big name DC from another team! Is Saban keeping Bates on in Miami? If not, there's a big phat target! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I would expect this to go to Brehanshan by default. They've almost been grooming him for this position since they first got him. With some of the suprising things Lewis has done so far (not saying whether any are good or bad, only time will tell) I couldn't guess right if I tried. But I do like the amount of accountability Marvin puts on his players and his coaches, he seems determined to completely turn this thing around no matter what, and each day he gives me more meaning to the words "In Marvin We Trust" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 They updated the article on bengals.com...apparently Frazier is pretty surprised by the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 They updated the article on bengals.com...apparently Frazier is pretty surprised by the move.I know they (Marvin and the position coaches) talked to each player on Monday and talked about off-season issues among other things. I am guessing that they (Marvin and the Brown family?) talked to the coaches yesterday or today.I think there were some issues during the Cleveland game when Marvin called the plays in the second half. If you read into Marvin's comments it sounded like perhaps there were some issues among the players with Frazier also. He said something like, "I wanted to show them that it didnt matter who was calling the plays, they just had to go out and make the play" or something like that. In fact during the Monday night game v. Denver the next week, they blitzed like crazy and I think one of the commentators said "he is play-calling like someone that is angry."In all honesty, I remember folks questioning Frazier as DC from the start since he was just an assistant for the Eagles. An established DC probably would have been a better fit for our team since we were so bad but it sounds like the first few choices were not available then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I can't believe that this is that much of a surprise to anyone. At the end of last season, Coach Lewis was asked what he'd learned in his first year as head coach. His answer was instant, and was " Don't let anyThing or anyOne get in the way of winning". He also said that the defense was one area that he would have to involve himself personally. Now ... no matter what you do for a living, .... when your boss says that he needs to involve himself in it ...... you have to figure bad things are going to happen if you don't have an immediate turn around for the better.Our defense was a revolving door last year, and it was blamed on the players. Coach Lewis went out and got new players. Good ... bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion, but he got them. .... We start this season giving up MILES on the ground and constantly getting caught looking on big plays. That is not an immediate improvement. As the ArmyBengalFan pointed out, Frazier was not Coach Lewis' first choice for the job. If Thomas can not be landed for the job this time, then look for Bresnahan to step in. He's got over a year in the system, and he and the coach mesh well ...... something that evidently he and Frazier did not. Next on the chopping block ...... If we don't see better production from his unit look for either a new offensive line coach or Offensive coordinator.On a side note, I noticed that Alex Wood was fired from Arizona. Sometimes things just don't work out ... ya know ?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Next on the chopping block ...... If we don't see better production from his unit look for either a new offensive line coach or Offensive coordinator.Keep in mind that the OC and the line coach were holdovers from the Coslet and LeBeau era and were not hired by Marvin. However, we had a pretty productive offense judging by Rudi, Chad and TJ's numbers so I don't see a change happening until the defense surpasses them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 They updated the article on bengals.com...apparently Frazier is pretty surprised by the move. Yeah, here's a link...http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?iCur...=0&news_id=2701Classy exit in a tough situation by Frazier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-U-D-I Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I was going to make the same point made earlier, Frazier was not Marvin's first choice. As I recall, he wasn't his second or third either. He was repeatedly denied permission to even talk to some candidates from other teams. We've gathered the nucleus, now let's see somebody with more Marvins style meld the D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 espn's story adds this tidbit:League sources told ESPN.com that Lewis and Bengals officials feared that Bresnahan, who came to the club with a loosely defined role at first, would be courted by other franchises and that they did not want to lose him.Sounds like Chuck will be the new DC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Next on the chopping block ...... If we don't see better production from his unit look for either a new offensive line coach or Offensive coordinator.Keep in mind that the OC and the line coach were holdovers from the Coslet and LeBeau era and were not hired by Marvin. However, we had a pretty productive offense judging by Rudi, Chad and TJ's numbers so I don't see a change happening until the defense surpasses them. I'm very mindful of that. I'm also aware that the offensive line coach was made the asst. head coach as part of the deal to keep him in Cincy.Having said that, everyone on this site has noticed the inordinate number of offensive penalties we've had this year. A lot of those were either drive killers in themselves ... or put us in bad field position that led to either turnovers via int's or punts that while improved still resulted in good field position for the opponents. How many times did we all see repeated false starts on the same series that all involved different guys ???? Now ... if it's one guy doing it, then its easy to fix. You sit his ass. When its everybody from your 11 year vet center to the wide receiver .... then that's coaching. I think Brat gets a reprieve due to the number of injuries on the team as well as starting Palmer. I also think if we aren't off to a Much Better start next year ( complete with flawless execution ) then Brat had better update the ol' resume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Some thoughts from Raiders fans on Bresnahan from the f2f alliance Raiders site:http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/showthread.php?t=25663They seem to feel that we should avoid chuck at all costs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 They forgot he took the Haiders d to the Super Bowl, of course he had the NFL "cream" and "clear" King in Bill Romanowski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Whatever...look at the Raiders D now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Whatever...look at the Raiders D now Holy crap. If Kitared see's that statement, you're in for it Sky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Whatever...look at the Raiders D now Hey, don't blame me, I'm just the messenger.I do have to say that, if they're hanging Frazier's non-return on his failure to improve the run D (which Hobson notes is the only thing that didn't improve this past season) I'm not positive how Chuck's supposed to help. In his four seasons as DC (2000-03 inclusive) the Raiders run D ranked (in yards) 5th, 22nd, 3rd, and 32nd. Not exactly the kind of consistency one would attribute to good coaching, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 The more I read about it I think it was more of a clash in personalities and philosophies more than anything. With the way the team has gone the last two years if he wasn't the guy for Marvin then I don't doubt the decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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