Skilly McRailnob Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Kyle Larson is the only member?!? Well, not that surprising considering what a joke espn.com is.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?p...okie2004/week17Complain to james.black@espn3.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Teah, The Madieu snub inparticular really pissed me off. Still not getting that much national respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I don't see the big deal, those lb's were better then Landon Johnson all season.Madieu didn't deserve it either those Safeties had oustanding seasons.Madieu will become known soon enough, he's a young Ed Reed, he just needs to study film as much as Ed and the sky is the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I don't see the big deal, those lb's were better then Landon Johnson all season.Madieu didn't deserve it either those Safeties had oustanding seasons.Madieu will become known soon enough, he's a young Ed Reed, he just needs to study film as much as Ed and the sky is the limit. For what it's worth, I think Madieu had better stats than the Jet's S who was named to their team. Course, he does playin NY so he MUST be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 exactly membengal, it's all a publicity contest and the bengls are still the ugly duckling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I think a couple of our rookies could legitimately be on the list, but I also can't say much against the selections they DID make. It doesn't matter anyway...just more fuel for the fire. I doubt anyone in the Bengals organization is losing sleep over this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly McRailnob Posted January 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1961442Defensive Rookie of the Year voting Player, team Votes Jonathan Vilma, NY Jets 21 Dunta Robinson, Houston 12 D.J. Williams, Denver 7 Sean Taylor, Washington 3 Jared Allen, Kansas City 2 Karlos Dansby, Arizona 1 Tommie Harris, Chicago 1 Michael Boulware, Seattle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Who cares about all this individual recognition crap? I could care less, and could care less about Pro Bowl selections.Winning is all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_justdmb Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Who cares about all this individual recognition crap? I could care less, and could care less about Pro Bowl selections.Winning is all that matters. well, we can't win another game for another 8 months, so we may as well win another award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1961442Defensive Rookie of the Year voting Player, team Votes Jonathan Vilma, NY Jets 21 Dunta Robinson, Houston 12 D.J. Williams, Denver 7 Sean Taylor, Washington 3 Jared Allen, Kansas City 2 Karlos Dansby, Arizona 1 Tommie Harris, Chicago 1 Michael Boulware, Seattle 1No Madieu?I understand he didn't win it, but not even getting a vote? WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Robinson should have gotten it easy, over the 2nd half of the season, he was the best CB in football. He should have been in the pro bowl....2 things hurt Madieu for awards like this...1. He was not a full time starter the whole year.2. He did not have a defined position so voters saw him a a tweener...I'm not saying it's right, but that's just the way it went down.His due will come soon enough though. :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 No complaints. The article mentions Madieu as a contender, but didn't feel he had as good a season as the winner. I can't argue with that. The best thing about Madiue is the playmaking ability he flashed. You can see what's coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterLyles Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 I don't see the big deal, those lb's were better then Landon Johnson all season.Madieu didn't deserve it either those Safeties had oustanding seasons.Madieu will become known soon enough, he's a young Ed Reed, he just needs to study film as much as Ed and the sky is the limit.For what it's worth, I think Madieu had better stats than the Jet's S who was named to their team. Course, he does playin NY so he MUST be better. Now now now, don't be bitter. You guys of all people should remember who that Jets safety is. He ended your opening game. As for Madieu, he obviously showed he can play and finished strong but Coleman was good all year long. Madieu, if I'm not mistaken, had problems early in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 That was because he was drafted as a safety and I think he started that first game as a corner! Bur it's the offseason, no excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Yeah but M. Williams had better stats then just about every rookie safety. He had more tackles then all of them (i think) and had just one less interception.. Plus he started at both safety postion. CB and nickle back..... so he should have gotten more credit then he did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerawkid Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Madieu didn't deserve it either those Safeties had oustanding seasons. from espn.com's all-rookie team:FS Erik Coleman 88 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 interceptions, 12 passes defensedcompare that to our DROY:FS Madieu Williams 91 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 interceptions (1 for a touchdown), 11 passes defensedIt is a tough comparison. Madieu will be a beast and should start for us for years to come.WHO DEY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterLyles Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Yeah but M. Williams had better stats then just about every rookie safety. He had more tackles then all of them (i think) and had just one less interception.. Plus he started at both safety postion. CB and nickle back..... so he should have gotten more credit then he did He had 3 more tackles and one less int. I wouldn't really call that better. Don't get me wrong, Madieu is a good player and its pretty even to be honest. Who knows, he may turn out to be the better player. But I wanted to make it clear: Its not a NY thing, Erik Coleman deserved to be on that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 I didn't watch Coleman play as much as Madieu, but I've got to add that stat based debates usually leave me cold and this one is no exception. Madieu made enough plays to show what he was capable of in the future, but IMHO his tackle numbers are grossly inflated due to being picked on by almost every QB the Bengals faced. Granted, he adapted on the fly and after learning to better compete he made several of those QB's and WR's pay. Very cool. Gives a long suffering Bengal fan plenty of hope for better days. But c'mon, opposing teams never really stopped looking William's way whenever possible. Plus, Madieu got caught looking into the backfield way too much for my liking, and that habit never lessened as the season progressed. He's got plenty of room to improve. Granted, it's more than possible that had I seen more Jet games I'd argue that all of these things are true of Coleman as well. After all, with the exception of a single play Palmer played Coleman for a chump, right? Regardless, I think any exceptional appraisal of Madieu William's rookie season is largely due to the improvement he showed as the season progressed and the playmaking ability he flashed, and not the level of production hinted at by numbers on a stat page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Its not a NY thing, Erik Coleman deserved to be on that team. It's not a Cincinnati thing, Madieu Williams deserved to be on that team.Besides, with stats that close, it's a coin flip to pick one. And since this is just something from ESPN, I believe that it just came down to the fact that the people who made the decision had seen more of Coleman mainly because New York is a large market and even though the Bengals are coming out of the decade long hibernation, people outside the local market (analysts included) are more apt to tune into Jets games rather than Bengals games. Had Madieu played for the Jets and Coleman for the Bengals, I wonder how that might have changed the final outcome, given the same stats?Nevertheless, none of this really matters. Winning is what matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckj414 Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 :sniff-sniff::...I think I smell homers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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