turningpoint Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Apperently this guy is gonna be courted hard by the bengals in the free agent period, he's very familar with leslie frasier, and might be the DT we land.He's got 1 probowl under his belt, and probably knows Pdub pretty well also considering he went to the draft 1 year before him and both played at FSU.Anyways he's more of a pass rushing DT, i think would fit nicely next to J Smith.Anyways watch him play sunday in the game vs us, and see how he dominates the line of scrimmage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinmeaway Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I don't know a lot about him, but my brother is a huge Eagles' fan and he seems happy to see him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 havent heard his name all game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Let me add in a resounding...... NOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!Corey Simon battled injuries all the time at Florida St. and has done the same thing at Philadelphia. At best when he's healthy , he's a good DT, not a dominant one. We allready have that in John Thornton. We need somebody dominant, and unless we find them in the draft, I doubt seriously that we go down that same road we went through last offseason.1. Rod Coleman - Pro bowler with the Falcons. 2. Warren Sapp - we all remember what happened there..3. Lional Dalton - backup for the Chiefs.... He's a BACK - UP for the CHIEFS defense for petes' sake !!! So NO, no more free agent Defensive lineman. Let's go after a guy like Marcus Spears who could play the end and DT spot and grab another guy late to shore up with Moore and Askew for next season ! :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Yeah hes nothing special, but he is better then Thornton. If we cant get someone like Sean Rogers or draft a good one, hes the guy to get. Hes definitly got the talent, and he fits the mold of DTs that lewis seems to like. Smaller and quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Shaun Smith should get a lot of PT vs. Eagles w. Langston Moore hobbled. It's his chance to show if he can solve some of the DT problems even though the Eagles will put backups in on their O-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Yeah why do we need two John Thorton's? Simon would be a mistake. A big run stuffer, as we all know, is what they need badly in the middle, they are too small on the d-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I'd rather see them spend the money on TJ and Rudi and perhaps lock up a few other guys instead of dropping a load of money on a guy that some else didn't want anymore. Also, based on the performance of this year's defensive draft picks, I would like to see us draft a few D-linemen and have ML and Co. coach them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I'd rather see them spend the money on TJ and Rudi and perhaps lock up a few other guys instead of dropping a load of money on a guy that some else didn't want anymore. I would honestly rather the bengals give Jon Kitna a 17 million dollar salary over 3 years then resign rudi johnson.Resigning rudi means he will be on the feild, and thats not a good thing. The sooner hes gone the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I'd rather see them spend the money on TJ and Rudi and perhaps lock up a few other guys instead of dropping a load of money on a guy that some else didn't want anymore.I would honestly rather the bengals give Jon Kitna a 17 million dollar salary over 3 years then resign rudi johnson.Resigning rudi means he will be on the feild, and thats not a good thing. The sooner hes gone the better. Yeahh .... I don't know about the Kitna part, and as strange as it sounds when talking about a guy who's still in a position to break the Bengals rushing record for a season .... I know what you mean there too. I like him. I really do, but like I've said before, he drives me nuts when the O line hasn't opened up a hole for him .... and he runs into the back of them anyway. Jeezus Man ... Go the other dam way ...... Do anything but just stand there in a crowd. Totally beside the point though. Bengals aren't going to re sign him. Look at the way they are dealing with TJ ( he's here next year ) and then look at how they're dealing with Rudi. Even Rudi wouldn't talk the other day. Totally unlike him .... and I doubt it was all from the game. As to Simon, Don't know much about him either, and will defer to Chris who's usually up on such things. I'm still waiting to see Askew. Supposedly he's the big wide body we need. ...... At least that was the comments on him during last years draft. As for Kitna. Don't be amazed when he's traded ... or part of a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I would honestly rather the bengals give Jon Kitna a 17 million dollar salary over 3 years then resign rudi johnson.Resigning rudi means he will be on the feild, and thats not a good thing. The sooner hes gone the better. I wouldn't give Rudi $17 million over 3 years either, but if they could get him back for something in the $3-4 million range I would jump on it. Rudi is a perfectly good back, he's just not a "must-have at any price" player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 The perfect contract for Rudi would be the same contract Corey signed before he was traded.* Rudi should be our man simply because he may not be the great running back that CD is, but he's very very durable, and can get tough yards and is known to break a few even though he's not a real home run threat. So .. I say5-6 years @ 26.1 million.Basically averages out to be just under what Franchising him would cost, ( just like CD ) and with the Salary cap about to go up with the new T.V. contract again. The cap hit from the signing bonus wouldn't hurt at all !2 other things need to happen.#1. Kitna restructures again, or he's cut and resigned! Or Flat out traded !#2. Peter Warrick restructures his 2.8 million dollar hit into a more cap friendly deal, or he's traded !- Gone are the contracts of Akili Smith, Steve Foley, etc. etc. etc... So things look good for the Cincy' team next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I've got a question, everyone(media)says the bengals will be kinda tight in the cap next year yet we have so much dead money coming off, whats the real deal &how much money are we really gonna have. Does anyone really know for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I've got a question, everyone(media)says the bengals will be kinda tight in the cap next year yet we have so much dead money coming off, whats the real deal &how much money are we really gonna have. Does anyone really know for sureI sure as heck don't know...And BTW, I don't think that Hobson really knows either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted December 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Well with the likes of hardy, herring, our 3 centers, reggie kelly, and rogers beckett probably all seeing the pink slip, i'm pretty sure our cap room will grow a hell of a lot, if we can restucture kitna and warrick again also, that would open up room. Along with just letting rudi go to get another free agent RB.i think we could be in the upwards of 10-13 million - 5 for draft picks so i'd sy we could afford about 2 big name free agents and maybe some lower teir free agents, to replace some of our other free agents our team will have this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I would honestly rather the bengals give Jon Kitna a 17 million dollar salary over 3 years then resign rudi johnson.Resigning rudi means he will be on the feild, and thats not a good thing. The sooner hes gone the better.WOW! That's a statement. Next time use spellcheck and get some glasses cause you can't see a damn thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I've got a question, everyone(media)says the bengals will be kinda tight in the cap next year yet we have so much dead money coming off, whats the real deal &how much money are we really gonna have. Does anyone really know for sureThe tight cap references are because Cincy has had a lot of dead money that went to 15 players that went on IR. Then you have the money that was used to sign players either from the practice squad or Free Agency limbo brought in to replace them. * So in actuality, because of Carson Palmer reaching so many incentives in his contract, the Cincinnati Bengals at one point or another this year were over the Salary cap.What does that mean in '05...?1. Carson will again be top Salary, and that's not going to change anytime soon! 2. Peter Warrick will have to either resign at a lower salary cap, or risk being a June 1st cut ( salary cap casualty ).3. Rudi could resign without the " franchise tag " unless Cincy' sees it as their best option to keep him around one more year until a multi year deal is done.4. Dead Weight in excess of 7 million dollars is gone from players no longer with the team. Akili Smith, Steve Foley, Patrick Johnson ( signed with Baltimore Cincy still had to pay his signing bonus after he was released on IR settlement ).etc. etc.The Current Cap resides at 80. ??? million dollars. - 7 million no longer being paid out... + Carson Palmers playing incentives - a few dead weight players and restructuring - Rookie Salary Cap pool... and we should end up seeing a Cap friendly hit of about 6-8 million.Of Course I have absolutely no proof about any of this, just going by what I've read and heard from the Bengals media outlets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-another Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I'd rather see them spend the money on TJ and Rudi and perhaps lock up a few other guys instead of dropping a load of money on a guy that some else didn't want anymore.I would honestly rather the bengals give Jon Kitna a 17 million dollar salary over 3 years then resign rudi johnson.Resigning rudi means he will be on the feild, and thats not a good thing. The sooner hes gone the better. Kitna plays like a girl. I could have played better than he did the last 2 sundays. Why give a guy 17 millon doller salary when he cant hit the damn blind side off a barn? There are more worthy players out there.Kitna needs to move on, that cracka's football career is over. I rather have Rudi, than Kitna. Im sorta undecided on the Rudi thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 What does that mean in '05...?1. Carson will again be top Salary, and that's not going to change anytime soon! From what I could gather going back to CP's deal:http://espn.go.com/nfl/afc/draftsignings2003.htmlCP gets a $4 mill roster bonus come March. It's a club option and I believe it's a one-year hit completely separate from his $10 mill signing bonus.Hobson wrote earlier that CP has triggered a number of his escalators. This probably means not all of them so CPs 2005 base would bump from $1.6 mill to a max of $3.75 mill.CP had a 7 yr void to 6 deal, which voided to 6 this year because he played in at least 35 % of plays. If the cap pro-rate on the $10 mill signing bonus is over 7 yrs, that's a $1.4 mill hit in 2005.If I'm looking at this right, CP's cap hit in 2005 is at least $7 mill and as high as $9 mill.A $90 mill 2005 cap would help out the Bengals chances alot this year, provided of course that Mikey feels might wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Well with the likes of hardy, herring, our 3 centers, reggie kelly, and rogers beckett probably all seeing the pink slip, i'm pretty sure our cap room will grow a hell of a lot, if we can restucture kitna and warrick again also, that would open up room. I dunno if it'd qualify as a "hell of a lot" but there are some things they could do. (note: all figures from bengalsjungle.com, props to SuperCat)Hardy has a cap hit of about $3.6 million next year -- but he still has $2 million in bonus to be burned up, so that would free up 2.6 million tops if they cut him after June 1.Herring has $2 million in signing bonus left to work off, too, vs. a $1.6 million cap number for next year. So a post-June 1 would "gain" just 600k in space.Braham and Fontenot are working on 1-year minimum deals and Moore only costs like half a million. No real gains there.Kelly has a $1.6 million cap number and a million in bonus yet to be worked off. Cut him after June 1 and we'd get about $1.1 million in cap space. Before that and we'd pick up about 600k.Cutting Beckett would save about 700k, aka peanuts.The Bengals hate pushing cap hits into future years, so if they cut any of these guys it will probably be earlier. I could see them cutting Kelly, Beckett and Hardy pre-June 1, and freeing up about $3 million total.As far as restructuring, I wouldn't look to Warrick or Kitna, but to Big Willie. His cap number passes $4 million in '05 and goes over $5 million in '06. He's only got about 500k in bonus money to be accounted for from his original contract. So they could do a nice four-year extension with a, say, $5 million bonus and salaries of 1, 2, 3 and 4 million. That right there would save like $2 million in cap space in both 05 and 06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 As far as restructuring, I wouldn't look to Warrick or Kitna, but to Big Willie. His cap number passes $4 million in '05 and goes over $5 million in '06. He's only got about 500k in bonus money to be accounted for from his original contract. So they could do a nice four-year extension with a, say, $5 million bonus and salaries of 1, 2, 3 and 4 million. That right there would save like $2 million in cap space in both 05 and 06. Yeah Big Willie would be the one to get to restructure to free up a chunk of cap space.The risk of course is if he doesn't come back well from knee surgery (ala P-Dub) then Bengals get stuck w/ beaucoup dead money that they wouldn't have otherwise had to deal with under current contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 willie will never sit out, he has heart, which alot of players lack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Oddly enough, Big Willie brought up the restructuring subject yesterday, per the Enquirer:Bengals right tackle Willie Anderson on Wednesday again offered, through the media, to sign a contract extension to ease the club's projected salary cap squeeze. His hope, Anderson said, was that the team could use the space to re-sign Johnson and wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh."For us to go forward, we definitely need Rudi and T.J. back," Anderson said.http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../412300380/1066 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyGirl Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Hey all...Simon's agent, Roosevelt Barnes wants Simon to be paid more than Kris Jenkins and Booger McFarland. The Eagles offered him $6M a year and $10M signing bonus and Barnes called it an insult.For that kind of money, and Simon's actual production on the field, the Eagles were the ones who could consider themselves robbed. He's not worth the money he's asking. He's not even worth close to what the Eagles offered him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckj414 Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Hey all...Simon's agent, Roosevelt Barnes wants Simon to be paid more than Kris Jenkins and Booger McFarland. The Eagles offered him $6M a year and $10M signing bonus and Barnes called it an insult.For that kind of money, and Simon's actual production on the field, the Eagles were the ones who could consider themselves robbed. He's not worth the money he's asking. He's not even worth close to what the Eagles offered him. Thats out of character for the Eagles...did they hire Dan Snyder as a consultant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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