Rudi is the best RB we've faced

[jjakq27]

You're wrong. It was perfectly legal. There is no such thing as pass interference behind the line of scrimmage.

Shouldn't you be changing your name to WillisOnHisKnees? Or WillisWatchMyLegBendBackwards? or how about WillisIFallDownGoBoom?

[Kirkendall]

Calling Mcgahee a ZERO at RB is funny in a couple different ways.

Sorry, I was referring to Williams there. Is that better super-sensitive-care-what-everyone-thinks Bills fan?

Shouldn't you be changing your name to WillisOnHisKnees?

Man, that doesn't even sound right!

[jjakq27]

Calling Mcgahee a ZERO at RB is funny in a couple different ways.

Sorry, I was referring to Williams there. Is that better super-sensitive-care-what-everyone-thinks Bills fan?

Shouldn't you be changing your name to WillisOnHisKnees?

Man, that doesn't even sound right!

Unintentional slip there Kirk. But now that you mention it...

I meant to say WillisFlatOnHisFace or WillisTakinADiveCauseICantGetNoYardsToday.

[redsfan2]

Have to admit that I'm kind of back and forth on Rudi. I think he's a great presence in the clubhouse and along with Kitna, the epitome of a team player.

He's faster and stronger than generally perceived, and was the subject of more than a few conversations with players in Buffalo prior to last years game. they all agreed that while everyone was hyping that other one, that it wa Rudi no one could tackle in their pre season match up with us. Lastly, 1500 yards isn't anything to sneeze and neither is the 150+ yard games last year.

Having said that, he annoys the hell out of me when he runs to the spot in the line where the hole is supposed to be and stands there till he gets tackled. If he bounces to the outside or improvises, then I've missed it.

As to Perry, I have no idea .... because he never plays. I'm sure one of you can, but I can't come up with a running back who has had a flop his first year and then went on to be anything above mediocre ....... and we already have and have had all the mediocre we need.

[San Antonio Bengal]

Having said that, he annoys the hell out of me when he runs to the spot in the line where the hole is supposed to be and stands there till he gets tackled. If he bounces to the outside or improvises, then I've missed it.

Same here. I don't recall seeing Rudi really improvise or bounce out. It's also the reason why Rudi's worst games have been ones where the O-line wasn't healthy -- the holes close too quickly and there he is running right into the place where the hole SHOULD be. Rudi is a good back, that's for sure, but to be at his best, he needs a good strong O-line. With improvements to the O-line, I'd want to definitely keep Rudi around, but so much depends on money.

[BengalsFan77]

I never said Rudi is a bum. I said he's not worth the money he wants. Rudi got 31 of his 130 yards on a 4th quarter garbage-time run with the score 33-10. Another 20 came on the play in which he fumbled the ball away for the second week in a row. Plus he missed a blitz pick-up that forced the Spikes interception.

Rudi started the game running pretty well, but when the Bengals fell behind he was getting a lot of short runs and Kitna was busy getting sacked and turning the ball over. So reviewing the play-by-play account, he probably got the carries he should have. When he really had a chance to make a difference, he fumbled. You just CAN'T do that.

I wouldn't fault the play calling. I fault the execution and professionalism of the players. Rudi certainly didn't lose the game, but he was one of the people who didn't execute at critical moments in the game. If you want to cultivate the winning mindset, you've got to start getting rid of the guys who aren't coming through in the clutch. That means with this team that you have too many holes to fill to pay $5 or 6 million for a guy that runs up numbers but is one of the question marks in the clutch.

[Willisdownyathroat]

Calling Mcgahee a ZERO at RB is funny in a couple different ways.

Sorry, I was referring to Williams there. Is that better super-sensitive-care-what-everyone-thinks Bills fan?

Shouldn't you be changing your name to WillisOnHisKnees?

Man, that doesn't even sound right!

Unintentional slip there Kirk. But now that you mention it...

I meant to say WillisFlatOnHisFace or WillisTakinADiveCauseICantGetNoYardsToday.

It's a good thing nobody has a Chad Johnson based name here, because he got absolutely punked by Nate Clements. Willisdownyathroat is a good name to stick with for the long haul but thanks for the tips Bengal fans.

[Kirkendall]

Did u watch the same game? Ruid didnt miss an assignment, he did what he was supposed to...

If he makes more 3rd and 1's, instead turning them into negative yards, then I can support him; but as of right now, he needs to do more to justify the potential $$$ that's been floating around from his agent.

[oldschooler]

Palmer

2005 salary $ 1,605,000

Cap hit $ 3,033,571

Kitna

2005 salary $1,000,000

Cap hit $2,150,000

Bramlet salary $305,000

Total for QB`s $5,488,571 (I read where Palmer has an escalator in his

contract to where it could go up another $4 million...so it could go to 9 million)

Jerimi Johnson

2005 Cap Hit $380,000

Chris Perry salary $380,000

2005 Cap Hit $2,330,000 ($1.9 million is signing bonus)

Total for RB`s $2,710,000 (not counting Rudi)

Peter Warrick

2005 Base Salary $ 2,280,000

Cap Hit $ 2,481,667

Chad Johnson

2005 Base Salary $ 1,000,000

Cap Hit $ 3,083,333

Kelley Washington

2005 Base Salary $ 380,000

Cap Hit $ 559,000

Reggie Kelly

2005 Base Salary $ 1,100,000

Cap Hit $ 1,600,000

Brad St. Louis

2005 Base Salary $ 540,000

Cap Hit $ 573,333

Matt Schobel

2005 Base salary $ 455,000

Cap Hit $ 630,000

Tony Stewart

2005 Cap hit $455,000

Total cap hit for WR`s and TE`s $9,382,333

Willie Anderson

2005 Base Salary $ 3,850,000

Cap Hit $ 4,105,200

Levi Jones

2005 Base Salary $ 630,000

Cap Hit $ 1,740,000

Scott Kooistra

2005 Cap hit $393,666

Bobbie Williams

2005 Base Salary $1,150,000

Cap Hit $1,483,333

Larry Moore

2005 Cap Hit $670,000

Eric Steinbach

2005 Base Salary $380,000

Cap Hit $820,000

Belton Johnson $305,000

Stacy Andrews $305,000 (base salaries....no cap hit numbers given)

Total Cap Hit for Offensive Linemen $9,822,199

John Thorton

2005 Base Salary $2,500,000

Cap Hit $ 3,333,333

Duane Clemons

2005 Base Salary $1.250,000

Cap Hit $ 1,683,333

Justin Smith

2005 Base Salary $ 1,830,000

Cap Hit $ 3,638,333

Langston Moore

Cap Hit $380,000 (only numbers I had were base salaries)

Mathias Askew

Cap Hit $305,000

Shaun Smith

Cap Hit $305,000

Robert Geathers

Cap Hit $305,000

Greg Scott

Cap Hit $380,000

LaDairis Jackson

Cap Hit $455,000

Total Cap Hit for Defensive Linemen $10,479,999

Brian Simmons

2005 Base Salary $ 2,600,000

Cap Hit $ 3,200,000

Nate Webster

2005 Base Salary $1,500,000

Cap Hit $2,000,000

Kevin Hardy

2005 Base Salary $ 2,600,000

Cap Hit $ 3,625,000

Khalid Abdullah

2005 Base Salary $380,000

Cap Hit $ 423,333

Caleb Miller (only numbers I have are base salaries)

Cap Hit $305,000

Landon Johnson

Cap Hit $305,000

Larry Stevens

Cap Hit $305,000

Total Cap Hit for LB`s $10,163,333

Tory James

2005 Base Salary $ 2,250,000

Cap Hit $ 3,175,000

Rogers Beckett

2005 Cap Hit $700,000

Kevin Kaesviharn

2005 Cap Hit $600,000

Kim Herring

2005 Base Salary $1,100,000

Cap Hit $1,600,000

Alvin Porter

2005 Cap Hit $540,000

Dennis Weathersby

2005 Cap Hit $380,000

Terrell Roberts

2005 Cap Hit $380,000

Deltha O'Neal

2005 Cap Hit $1,190,000

Keiwan Ratliff (all I have are base salary numbers)

2005 cap hit $305,000

Greg Brooks

2005 cap hit $305,000

Total Cap Hit for DB`s $9,175,000

Shayne Graham

2005 Cap Hit $1,320,000

Kyle Larson

2005 Cap Hit $305,000

Total Cap Hit for Kickers $1,625,000

That comes to a grand total of $58,846,435.

So even if you add Palmer`s $4million escalator it STILL is $ 18

million UNDER the $ 80.5 million of THIS YEARS CAP.

The cap should go up AT LEAST to $85 million next year.

So where Hobson gets that we only have $5 million to "play" with

baffles me.

So we should be able to re-sign Rudi AND pick up other

Free Agents.

I got those numbers from here.

http://bengalsjungle.com/players_salaries.html

And from here.

http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subP...e+Player+Search

[bengalboomer7]

If those numbers are legit than next season should be good. Hopefully we've gotten ehough respect that free agents will consider us instead of using us as bait. With two key free agents and another draft, we could very well be a big playoff contender. Of course that's just on paper, and everyone knows where that gets ya

[BengalsMan3203]

We won't win next year with a un proven back like Perry.

[Kirkendall]

We won't win next year with a un proven back like Perry.

We didn't with a proven back in Rudi.

[TubThumper]

I never said Rudi is a bum. I said he's not worth the money he wants. Rudi got 31 of his 130 yards on a 4th quarter garbage-time run with the score 33-10. Another 20 came on the play in which he fumbled the ball away for the second week in a row. Plus he missed a blitz pick-up that forced the Spikes interception.

Rudi started the game running pretty well, but when the Bengals fell behind he was getting a lot of short runs and Kitna was busy getting sacked and turning the ball over. So reviewing the play-by-play account, he probably got the carries he should have. When he really had a chance to make a difference, he fumbled. You just CAN'T do that.

I wouldn't fault the play calling. I fault the execution and professionalism of the players. Rudi certainly didn't lose the game, but he was one of the people who didn't execute at critical moments in the game. If you want to cultivate the winning mindset, you've got to start getting rid of the guys who aren't coming through in the clutch. That means with this team that you have too many holes to fill to pay $5 or 6 million for a guy that runs up numbers but is one of the question marks in the clutch.

never said Rudi is a bum. I said he's not worth the money he wants. Rudi got 31 of his 130 yards on a 4th quarter garbage-time run with the score 33-10. Another 20 came on the play in which he fumbled the ball away for the second week in a row. Plus he missed a blitz pick-up that forced the Spikes interception.

Did u watch the same game? Ruid didnt miss an assignment, he did what he was supposed to... it was a screen going right over the blitz (exactly what they wanted)...but Tko shoved Rudi in the back n since it was behind the line of scrimmage it wasnt pass interference.

[Kirkendall]

OK, OK, he didn't miss the assignment. He wasn't supposed to block Spikes - that's how Spikes said he knew it was a screen. But I saw the pattern of the runs and I went back and checked the play-by-play account to be sure - 31 yard run in garbage time; 20 yard run which ends in a costly fumble. That leaves 79 yards, which amounts to a good 1st quarter and then a decent run here and there, but losses of 1 and 3 yards on crucial third down plays. I still say he's not worth what he's asking to THIS team. This team has too many other needs to address.

At any rate, the Bengals have a dollar value placed on Rudi, and if it's not close to what he's asking, he's outa here -- I think that's why they picked up Wilson.

Yeap yeap.

[oldschooler]

Just to add to this post and dispute people saying

anything about Rudi and fumbling.

Rudi has 4 fumbles in 546 carries in his career.

Shaun Alexander has 4 fumbles this year in 304 carries.

All of Rudi`s fumbles have been this year. But he still has

314 carries ...that is 10 more carries than Shaun Alexander has.

Corey Dillon has 3 fumbles in ONLY 276 carries. 38 carries

and 1 fumble less than Rudi.

(I hope he gets stuffed tonight...Dillon that is)

Preist Holmes has the same amount of fumbles as Rudi

BUT he ONLY played in 8 games and had ONLY 196 carries.

118 carries LESS than Rudi.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187382 (Shaun Alexander)

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235094 (Rudi Johnson)

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1681 (Corey Dillon)

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1645 (Preist Holmes)

[delhole]

Just to add to this post and dispute people saying

anything about Rudi and fumbling.

Rudi has 4 fumbles in 546 carries in his career.

Shaun Alexander has 4 fumbles this year in 304 carries.

All of Rudi`s fumbles have been this year. But he still has

314 carries ...that is 10 more carries than Shaun Alexander has.

Corey Dillon has 3 fumbles in ONLY 276 carries. 38 carries

and 1 fumble less than Rudi.

(I hope he gets stuffed tonight...Dillon that is)

Preist Holmes has the same amount of fumbles as Rudi

BUT he ONLY played in 8 games and had ONLY 196 carries.

118 carries LESS than Rudi.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187382 (Shaun Alexander)

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235094 (Rudi Johnson)

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1681 (Corey Dillon)

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1645 (Preist Holmes)

Nice piece of researching. I was thinking the same thing but was too lazy to get all the number. Rudi holds on to the ball very well. I believe a couple of his fumbles this year were caused by a helmet being rammed stright into his carrying arm. Not much he can really do about that.

[HoosierCat]

That comes to a grand total of $58,846,435.

So even if you add Palmer`s  $4million escalator it STILL is $ 18

million UNDER the $ 80.5 million of THIS YEARS CAP.

The cap should go up AT LEAST to $85 million next year.

So where Hobson gets that we only have $5 million to "play" with

baffles me. 

So we should be able to re-sign Rudi AND pick up other

Free Agents.

Well, among other things, there are only 48 guys listed here. And at least one of the missing, Tony Williams, isn't a minimum salary guy. But the bottom line is there are more guys taking up space, which will narrow that amount we're supposedly under the cap.

As of midsummer, the Bengals were $5.6 million under the cap, per Clayton on espn, and that would have been before the signings of Perry and Ratliff, not to mention later additions like Marcus Wilkins, Jerry Fontenot, Rashaud Bauman, and Terrance Martin (more guys not on the list).

Others missing include Carl Powell, Rudi himself (as you note. That adds $1.8 million to your total), Kevin Walter, Cliff Russell, Derrick Crawford, Frank Chamberlain, and more.

[HoosierCat]

Just to add to this post and dispute people saying

anything about Rudi and fumbling.

Rudi has 4 fumbles in 546 carries in his career.

Shaun Alexander has 4 fumbles this year in 304 carries.

All of Rudi`s fumbles have been this year. But he still has

314 carries ...that is 10 more carries than Shaun Alexander has.

10 carries over a season is a negligible difference. Like I said before, fine, Rudi is no better or worse than (using your example) Alexander, when it comes to fumbling. OK, does Rudi have Alexander's receving abilities? No. Is he as quick and elusive as Alexander? No. Does Rudi find the end zone more often? No (Alex 12 TDs, Rudi 8). Does Rudi break more big runs? No (Alex 13 20+, Rudi 6).

I repeat: Rudi's biggest strength was that he didn't fumble. He wasn't the fastest or biggest or quickest, he didn't have great receiving skills, he wasn't surefire on short yardage BUT he had the best ball security in the league, and in a game where turnovers are usually the difference-maker, that was huge. Now, the bloom is off that rose. There's no doubting that Rudi is a ghood back, but whether he's worth top 10 money like he wants is (obviously) debatable.

[oldschooler]

That comes to a grand total of $58,846,435.

So even if you add Palmer`s  $4million escalator it STILL is $ 18

million UNDER the $ 80.5 million of THIS YEARS CAP.

The cap should go up AT LEAST to $85 million next year.

So where Hobson gets that we only have $5 million to "play" with

baffles me. 

So we should be able to re-sign Rudi AND pick up other

Free Agents.

Well, among other things, there are only 48 guys listed here. And at least one of the missing, Tony Williams, isn't a minimum salary guy. But the bottom line is there are more guys taking up space, which will narrow that amount we're supposedly under the cap.

As of midsummer, the Bengals were $5.6 million under the cap, per Clayton on espn, and that would have been before the signings of Perry and Ratliff, not to mention later additions like Marcus Wilkins, Jerry Fontenot, Rashaud Bauman, and Terrance Martin (more guys not on the list).

Others missing include Carl Powell, Rudi himself (as you note. That adds $1.8 million to your total), Kevin Walter, Cliff Russell, Derrick Crawford, Frank Chamberlain, and more.

Yeah all of those guys are playing out the last year

of their contract. I didn`t include them because they don`t

count against next years cap so far. TJ, Rudi, Tony Williams, Rich Braham

ect aren`t signed for 2005.

The cap is expected to go up to at least $5 million next year.

The players that are playing out their contracts this year

count about $10 million against this years cap. There is $10+

million in dead money against this years cap.

There are only 4 players that are STARTERS that

aren`t signed for next year....Braham, Tony Williams, TJ and Rudi.

I don`t think TJ will be a starter if Warrick comes back at 100%.

Anyway I don`t see how the Colts can sign Manning to a record deal,

offer Harrison a huge contract, offer Stokley a good deal and then

say they are going to tag James ...but the Bengals say they`re only

going to have $5 million in cap room to play with ?

[HoosierCat]

Related note from bengals.com today...

After Dillon set the club record with 1,435 yards as a free agent in 2000, the club made him a transition free agent and then worked out a five-year deal a few months later that averaged just over $5 million per year with first-year compensation in the $12 million range. If the Bengals want to do that with 2005 dollars remains to be seen with a transition number this time around probably nearing the $6 million figure. A one-year contract to retain the right to match that could take them out of the free-agent market.

$6 million a year...Rudi keeps getting more expensive.

[oldschooler]

Just to add to this post and dispute people saying

anything about Rudi and fumbling.

Rudi has 4 fumbles in 546 carries in his career.

Shaun Alexander has 4 fumbles this year in 304 carries.

All of Rudi`s fumbles have been this year. But he still has

314 carries ...that is 10 more carries than Shaun Alexander has.

10 carries over a season is a negligible difference. Like I said before, fine, Rudi is no better or worse than (using your example) Alexander, when it comes to fumbling. OK, does Rudi have Alexander's receving abilities? No. Is he as quick and elusive as Alexander? No. Does Rudi find the end zone more often? No (Alex 12 TDs, Rudi 8). Does Rudi break more big runs? No (Alex 13 20+, Rudi 6).

I repeat: Rudi's biggest strength was that he didn't fumble. He wasn't the fastest or biggest or quickest, he didn't have great receiving skills, he wasn't surefire on short yardage BUT he had the best ball security in the league, and in a game where turnovers are usually the difference-maker, that was huge. Now, the bloom is off that rose. There's no doubting that Rudi is a ghood back, but whether he's worth top 10 money like he wants is (obviously) debatable.

Rudi has started 19 games. Shaun Alexander has started 58 games.

Rudi is 25 years old ...Alexander is 27 .

Shaun Alexander has a 7.6 average per catch ...Rudi has 6.3 average per catch.

How do we know if he is as good of a receiver or not ?

Shaun Alexander plays in a different offesive system. Alexander is thrown

the ball almost 3 times a start....Rudi is thrown the ball 2 times a start.

Yes it is debatable wether Rudi is a top 10 back worthy of top 10 money.

But to say he isn`t this and he can`t do that ...how does any1 know ?

He has only had 19 starts to prove his worth.

In those 19 starts this is what he has accomplished:

He had 3 games with over 150 yards rushing in a season.

Something Corey Dillon NEVER did.

He has had a 200+ yard rushing game. In his 19 starts he is

averaging 123.5 yards a game !

He just joined James Brooks and Corey Dillon as the only 3 RB`s

in Bengals history to rush for over 1300 yards in a season too !

[HoosierCat]

Yeah all of those guys are playing out the last year

of their contract. I didn`t include them because they don`t

count against next years cap so far. TJ, Rudi, Tony Williams, Rich Braham

ect aren`t signed for 2005.

Yup. But don't forget that even if we don't re-sign these guys, we're going to have to find people to take their place, so that will chew up cap space, too. For the record, I agree with you that Hobson is understating the amount of cap room they'll have...but I don't think it's going to be as big as $18 million.

[oldschooler]

Yeah all of those guys are playing out the last year

of their contract. I didn`t include them because they don`t

count against next years cap so far. TJ,  Rudi, Tony Williams, Rich Braham

ect aren`t signed for 2005.

Yup. But don't forget that even if we don't re-sign these guys, we're going to have to find people to take their place, so that will chew up cap space, too. For the record, I agree with you that Hobson is understating the amount of cap room they'll have...but I don't think it's going to be as big as $18 million.

Well the way I figure it. The players we have signed

this year their cap hit equals about $10 million. We have

$10+ million in dead money against the cap. The cap should go up at least

$5 million next year...so it looks to me like the Bengals should have

no problems with the cap...or signing players.

I read that the cap could go up to $100 million depending on

the TV contract deals. Those numbers won`t be out until Febuary

or March ....but from the research I did the Bengals ARE 18 million

under THIS YEARS CAP and they have about 10 players they need to sign

or re-sign.

Should be an interesting off season..........

[HoosierCat]

Yes it is debatable wether Rudi is a top 10 back worthy of top 10 money.

But to say he isn`t this and he can`t do that ...how does any1 know ?

He has only had 19 starts to prove his worth.

In those 19 starts this is what he has accomplished:

He had 3 games with over 150 yards rushing in a season.

Something Corey Dillon NEVER did.

He has had a 200+ yard rushing game. In his 19 starts he is

averaging 123.5 yards a game !

He just joined James Brooks and Corey Dillon as the only 3 RB`s

in Bengals history to rush for over 1300 yards in a season too !

Well, I would argue that 19 starts gives you a pretty good indication of a player's skills. And you are right that Rudi is capable of big games, and has shown that he can roll up some big numbers.

But...is that what we need?

Remember, when Bob Bratkowski came in, he took the Paul Brown/Bill Walsh/Ohio River/West Coast Offense playbook and threw it in the shredder. We aren't playing the ball control, short passing game style of football that was invented in Cincy anymore. Instead, we've switched to a style that emphasizes the vertical passing game uber alles. It's a derivation of the great "Air Coreyll" offenses of the Don Coryell-coached San Diego Chargers. And if you go back and look at those SD teams, you'll find they constantly ranked in the top 1, 2, 3 scoring offenses every year, and very rarely had a 1,000-yard back. Typically, they had 2-3 guys who got 300, 400, 500 yards apiece.

Assuming Palmer turns out to be the real deal -- and I believe he will -- we don't need a 1,400-yards-a-year rusher. If guys like Perry and Watson can churn out 400-500 yards each, that ought to be more than enough. In which case I'df much rather spend the money on defense, because that's the reason the Chargers never won the SB despite their offense...because their defense stank.

[oldschooler]

Yes it is debatable wether Rudi is a top 10 back worthy of top 10 money.

But to say he isn`t this and he can`t do that ...how does any1 know ?

He has only had 19 starts to prove his worth.

In those 19 starts this is what he has accomplished:

He had 3 games with over 150 yards rushing in a season.

Something Corey Dillon NEVER did.

He has had a 200+ yard rushing game. In his 19 starts he is

averaging 123.5 yards a game !

He just joined James Brooks and Corey Dillon as the only 3 RB`s

in Bengals history to rush for over 1300 yards in a season too !

Well, I would argue that 19 starts gives you a pretty good indication of a player's skills. And you are right that Rudi is capable of big games, and has shown that he can roll up some big numbers.

But...is that what we need?

Remember, when Bob Bratkowski came in, he took the Paul Brown/Bill Walsh/Ohio River/West Coast Offense playbook and threw it in the shredder. We aren't playing the ball control, short passing game style of football that was invented in Cincy anymore. Instead, we've switched to a style that emphasizes the vertical passing game uber alles. It's a derivation of the great "Air Coreyll" offenses of the Don Coryell-coached San Diego Chargers. And if you go back and look at those SD teams, you'll find they constantly ranked in the top 1, 2, 3 scoring offenses every year, and very rarely had a 1,000-yard back. Typically, they had 2-3 guys who got 300, 400, 500 yards apiece.

Assuming Palmer turns out to be the real deal -- and I believe he will -- we don't need a 1,400-yards-a-year rusher. If guys like Perry and Watson can churn out 400-500 yards each, that ought to be more than enough. In which case I'df much rather spend the money on defense, because that's the reason the Chargers never won the SB despite their offense...because their defense stank.

Chargers won the SB ?

They`ve only been once and LOST to that Paul Brown/Bill Walsh/Ohio River/West Coast Offense. (49`ers)

Opppps *edit* ....I didn`t see the NEVER....sorry I need to wake up.

Anyway I don`t think we need to focus so much on Defensive

Free Agents. Yeah we need a DT to take Tony Williams spot

and maybe replace a few others that won`t be re-signed.

I would like to see them grab Shaun Rogers from the Lions.

I think he would be enough to make our Defense top 10.

Marvin basically used an entire draft for defensive players this

past draft. We have players like Webster, Mathias Askew, Abdullah, Brooks and hopefully Weathersby coming back next year. Plus rookies like Landon Johnson, Geathers, Miller, Ratliff and Madieu Williams will be a year older and smarter and they will be able to be in our offseason conditioning program.