Perry to get checked out

[jjakq27]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7943270/3

Bengals to have top pick Perry checked out

CINCINNATI -- Bengals running back Chris Perry will get more medical tests this week for abdominal pain. Perry, the 26th overall pick out of Michigan, has appeared in only two games and carried the ball twice for 1 yard. He also has three catches for 35 yards.

The Bengals (5-6) were hoping to use Perry as a complement to Rudi Johnson, who topped 1,000 yards for the season on Sunday. Instead, Perry hasn't been able to make it onto the field.

He strained a hamstring in the final preseason game and didn't appear in the first three games. He made his debut in Pittsburgh on Oct. 3, catching two passes for 24 yards. A week later in Cleveland, he caught one pass for 9 yards and carried twice for 1 yard.

During practice the next week, Perry aggravated sore abdominal muscles during practice. He hasn't played since.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Just another first round bust...a perfect example of why the Bengals can't get over the hump (they miss on way too many first rounders).

Even when healthy, he's an average backup at best and a comparable player could've easily been had in FA or off the waiver wire (see Kenny Watson).

Instead they're paying him a huge chunk of change and getting absolutely zilch in return.

His injury aside, whomever was responsible for drafting him should be fired.

What a horrible pick. There's just no other way to look at it. And it is why I think Mike Brown still calls the shots on the 1st rounders and makes him and his cronies responsible for it more so than the coaches. Such a stupid Mike Brownesque pick.

Enough with the skill players in the 1st round already - those people are a dime a dozen these days - time to draft nothing but lineman in the 1st on either side of the ball.

Sorry to threadjack/rant.

[BENGALTHEM]

Perry will be good.

[jjakq27]

Hey Shula you are right. When you look at the Bengals' history/success in the first round, they should trade down every single year.

I think the jury is out on Perry since we haven't seen much of him this year. I am wondering if there is something more to his injury than just a pull (See Peter Warrick). I am wondering if he might have a muscle tear or maybe a sports hernia like Barry Larkin had a few years ago.

[skyline]

Even when healthy, he's an average backup at best and a comparable player could've easily been had in FA or off the waiver wire (see Kenny Watson).

What are you basing this on? His 2 rushes and 3 receptions?

[Bobcat Bengal]

(YAWN)

[BengalPappaw]

IMHO Chris Perry will be like some of the other players that the Bengals reach for too early in the draft.

I believe he will be a good player -- not great! Somewhat like Levi Jones who was a "reach", but has turn out to be respectable -- not great.

The Bengals need some great picks. Hopefully, Madieu Williams, Landon Johnson and Caleb Miller are the start for getting "better than good" player.

Chris Perry just hasn't had a chance to show us what he can do.

But, then I said the same thing about Ki-Jana Carter

[shapu]

What's great is that even though he hasn't really had a shot at a starting job since he left Cincinnati, Ki-Jana's still a hustler for the Saints.

[BengalByTheBay]

I'm impressed that anybody thinks they've seen enough of Perry to label him anything at this point. Unless there are nefarious forces at work (and what could possibly be the motivation) he's simply hurt. He hasn't been well enough to hit the field. He could suck -- he could be the second coming. (He will probably be neither.) Although it's frustrating to not see anything from your #1, I hardly think it's the kind of thing you can blame anyone about. They should've known he was going to be hurt and not play?? Okay, whatever.

[Kirkendall]

I'm impressed that anybody thinks they've seen enough of Perry to label him anything at this point. Unless there are nefarious forces at work (and what could possibly be the motivation) he's simply hurt. He hasn't been well enough to hit the field. He could suck -- he could be the second coming. (He will probably be neither.) Although it's frustrating to not see anything from your #1, I hardly think it's the kind of thing you can blame anyone about. They should've known he was going to be hurt and not play?? Okay, whatever.

True.

But the question goes back to the original impression; why did we draft a RB in the first place? That's been my ultimate critique of the whole thing. Then again, I see very well in reflection.

[oldschooler]

I'm impressed that anybody thinks they've seen enough of Perry to label him anything at this point.  Unless there are nefarious forces at work (and what could possibly be the motivation) he's simply hurt.  He hasn't been well enough to hit the field.  He could suck -- he could be the second coming.  (He will probably be neither.)  Although it's frustrating to not see anything from your #1, I hardly think it's the kind of thing you can blame anyone about.  They should've known he was going to be hurt and not play?? Okay, whatever.

True.

But the question goes back to the original impression; why did we draft a RB in the first place? That's been my ultimate critique of the whole thing. Then again, I see very well in reflection.

The reason the Bengals drafted Perry was because they

just traded away their all time leading rusher (Dillon)

Their 3rd down back was gone to the Bucs (Bennet)

Their new starter had started 5 games in his career (Rudi)

And they had a 1st year starter coming in at QB. (Palmer)

The guy that had Perry at the top of his draft board is

the same guy that picked Edgerin James over Ricky Williams

and Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. (Duke Tobin)

Jim Anderson the Bengals RB`s coach has a great history

of making RB`s 1000 rushers for the Bengals. He said that

Perry was his "flavor" over Julius Jones and Stephen Jackson.

Anyway it is asinine to label Perry ANYTHING right now. He has

been injured.

But considering the peoples records that were involved in selecting him.

I expect great things from him WHEN he IS healthy.

And I`m a Buckeyes fan.

[HoosierCat]

But the question goes back to the original impression; why did we draft a RB in the first place?

$$$.

Only way we re-upped Rudi last offseason was with a franchise-level deal, and the way he's going this year it looks like he'll command $5 million/year minimum, perhaps as much as (or more than) $8 million/year.

What if you could draft a new feature back low in the first round and spend less than that $8 million for a multi-year contract (like the Bengals did with Perry)? That gets you a quality player and a lot more $$$ to spend on your defensive line, or a real TE, etc., going forward.

Marvin has said several times that the salary cap makes it impossible to keep every good player you have, and that you have to build up depth and be ready to cycle someone new in when someone you can't afford any more leaves. We're already paying big bucks to Palmer, Chad, Warrick, Smith, even Kitna's making a bundle for a backup QB. I think the Bengals were supposed to have something like $10 million to play with in FA this coming offseason, but if a franchised Rudi costs us $6-8 million, we'll be struggling just to resign guys like TJ. We still need a center (both Braham and Fontenot are working on 1 year vet min deals), a DT, a TE, maybe a replacement for Warrick, among other things.

On the other hand, if we let Rudi go and turn to Perry, that's a lot more we have to go hunting with.

[shapu]

The guy that had Perry at the top of his draft board is

the same guy that picked Edgerin James over Ricky Williams

and Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. (Duke Tobin)

Not to be a total jerk, but do you have confirmation that it was Tobin that was pulling for Perry and not, say, Pete Brown?

[oldschooler]

The Bengals have 10 million in "dead money" tied up this season.

They are still paying Akili and Dillon to NOT play here.

The cap should go up a few million next year.

It went up 6 million last year.

And the Bengals have about 10 million tied up in players

that might or might not be re-signed.

They should be AT LEAST 16 million UNDER the cap this

offseason.

[oldschooler]

The guy that had Perry at the top of his draft board is

the same guy that picked Edgerin James over Ricky Williams

and Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. (Duke Tobin)

Not to be a total jerk, but do you have confirmation that it was Tobin that was pulling for Perry and not, say, Pete Brown?

Director of Player Personnel

Duke Tobin

That`s why Tobin was brought in,

to help build through the draft.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

What are you basing this on? His 2 rushes and 3 receptions?

His career at Michigan and preseason - he didn't look nearly as effective at the pro level for one - and two he can't seem to stay healthy at all.

You don't miss almost an entire preseason and regular season because of an "abdonminal strain."

He was a holdout as well and seems to be a bit of a premadonna.

He doesn't have great speed, agility, balance, instincts or size....sounds like a typical Michigan over-hyped RB a la Anthony Thomas.

Anyone who doesn't think any of the other 3 Rb's that were available wouldn't have been much more valuable, even on draft day, are foolish. When Perry was drafted most people were moaning and groaning and they were right to feel that way, including myself.

I also don't think this was Anderson's pick, again it was Mike Brown's.

Point is, it was a bad pick, again, in the 1st round...for whatever reasons.

They'll get over it, but the track record for the Bengals' in the 1st round, considering how many chances they've had - is abysmal.

Let their history speak for itself. I shouldn't have to defend that statement.

[oldschooler]

The guy that had Perry at the top of his draft board is

the same guy that picked Edgerin James over Ricky Williams

and Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. (Duke Tobin)

Not to be a total jerk, but do you have confirmation that it was Tobin that was pulling for Perry and not, say, Pete Brown?

Director of Player Personnel

Duke Tobin

That`s why Tobin was brought in,

to help build through the draft.

My bad.

BILL Tobin was the guy that picked Mannin and James.

He is Duke`s dad. And BILL was brought in to be a

consultant.

But BILL picked players like Walter Payton, Richard

Dent....

Here is a pretty good article from August about them.

http://bengals.enquirer.com/2004/08/15/ben1b.html

[oldschooler]

What are you basing this on? His 2 rushes and 3 receptions?

His career at Michigan and preseason - he didn't look nearly as effective at the pro level for one - and two he can't seem to stay healthy at all.

You don't miss almost an entire preseason and regular season because of an "abdonminal strain."

He was a holdout as well and seems to be a bit of a premadonna.

He doesn't have great speed, agility, balance, instincts or size....sounds like a typical Michigan over-hyped RB a la Anthony Thomas.

Anyone who doesn't think any of the other 3 Rb's that were available wouldn't have been much more valuable, even on draft day, are foolish. When Perry was drafted most people were moaning and groaning and they were right to feel that way, including myself.

I also don't think this was Anderson's pick, again it was Mike Brown's.

Point is, it was a bad pick, again, in the 1st round...for whatever reasons.

They'll get over it, but the track record for the Bengals' in the 1st round, considering how many chances they've had - is abysmal.

Let their history speak for itself. I shouldn't have to defend that statement.

Yeah and the Bengals USED to play in River Front Stadium too.

That was the PAST.

I don`t think you can or SHOULD compare drafts and

picks since Marvin came to town to drafts when Marvin

wasn`t here.

Face it ...things have changed.

Mike Brown isn`t making picks. That`s why he HIRED

the Tobins and John Cooper !!!!

[HoosierCat]

They should be AT LEAST 16 million UNDER the cap this

offseason.

Perhaps. That wasn't my point. My point was, Perry offered them the opportunity to get a top back at $7-8 million for 5-6 years, versus paying Rudi $7-8 million per year. If Perry pans out, that gives us a huge advantage in FA for years to come. The problem now is that we don't know whether Perry can handle the load or not.

[mtmeece]

Somebody should ask for a vote on the issue of wether or not to get Rudi signed or simply let him go. I can't imagine letting him go and and starting yet another year with a player in a key position that has yet to prove anything one way or another. It is very unfortunate that Chris Perry hasn't had the opportunity, however if Rudi is not signed the bengals will be spending a fairly high pick next year on a RB to fill the void.

SIGN RUDI SIGN RUDI SIGN RUDI SIGN RUDI SIGN RUDI

[shapu]

The guy that had Perry at the top of his draft board is

the same guy that picked Edgerin James over Ricky Williams

and Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. (Duke Tobin)

Not to be a total jerk, but do you have confirmation that it was Tobin that was pulling for Perry and not, say, Pete Brown?

Director of Player Personnel

Duke Tobin

That`s why Tobin was brought in,

to help build through the draft.

My bad.

BILL Tobin was the guy that picked Mannin and James.

He is Duke`s dad. And BILL was brought in to be a

consultant.

But BILL picked players like Walter Payton, Richard

Dent....

Here is a pretty good article from August about them.

http://bengals.enquirer.com/2004/08/15/ben1b.html

Regardless of why one person was brought in, tradition holds that in the Bengals draft room (as well as all others), it's usually one person who says, "Based on our board, we should take this particular guy," and everyone else agrees or disagrees. It's a mutual decision, but one that's led by one or two people.

I'll agree that having the elder Tobin here is a wonderful thing, and has obviously improved our drafts. But having the same people on the staff that made a lot of the past horrible decisions (guys like Pet Brown, Lippincott and, yes, the younger Tobin) make me question every pick. Maybe I'm scarred. I dunno. But until somebody says, "drafting a 1st-round RB to compliment our unproven RB was my decision," then I'll question it. This is not a franchise that engenders outright trust.

[jditty47]

man, get off perry hes been FRICKIN INJURED. all you ppl do is bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.

[jjakq27]

The cap should go up a few million next year.

It went up 6 million last year.

I hope it doesn't go too high. We may have to build another stadium to remain competitive!

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

The guy that had Perry at the top of his draft board is

the same guy that picked Edgerin James over Ricky Williams

and Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. (Duke Tobin)

Not to be a total jerk, but do you have confirmation that it was Tobin that was pulling for Perry and not, say, Pete Brown?

Director of Player Personnel

Duke Tobin

That`s why Tobin was brought in,

to help build through the draft.

My bad.

BILL Tobin was the guy that picked Mannin and James.

He is Duke`s dad. And BILL was brought in to be a

consultant.

But BILL picked players like Walter Payton, Richard

Dent....

Here is a pretty good article from August about them.

http://bengals.enquirer.com/2004/08/15/ben1b.html

Regardless of why one person was brought in, tradition holds that in the Bengals draft room (as well as all others), it's usually one person who says, "Based on our board, we should take this particular guy," and everyone else agrees or disagrees. It's a mutual decision, but one that's led by one or two people.

I'll agree that having the elder Tobin here is a wonderful thing, and has obviously improved our drafts. But having the same people on the staff that made a lot of the past horrible decisions (guys like Pet Brown, Lippincott and, yes, the younger Tobin) make me question every pick. Maybe I'm scarred. I dunno. But until somebody says, "drafting a 1st-round RB to compliment our unproven RB was my decision," then I'll question it. This is not a franchise that engenders outright trust.

Someone DID come out and say "drafting a 1st round running back named Chris Perry, who was number one on my draft wish list to compliment Rudi Johnson was my decision and I am happy to have him" That someone was MARVIN LEWIS!

[WHO DEY AGAIN?]

His gyno said he's out 2 more weeks due to heavy clotting and all the added water weight! Reminds me of Vagina Carter.