Rudi and TJ next year

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

I personally see Warrick retiring.  They can't afford not to sign TJ since he is a cheap receiver for his talent.  They will let him check out the market, but he will find Cincinnati a better long term deal.

How in the hell do you see Warrick retiring? Have you read any of his interviews? He is saying he will be back better than he was in 2003. I don't beleive it, but he does. If he beleives that, he isn't retiring

Re-sign both, draft a WR first round.

Hrmn let's see, He didn't reveal the extent of his injury, what makes you think he would reveal that he might retire?

The Bengals can't afford his salary on the bench next year, so he will have to either renegotiate and restructure or be cut and retire.

[oldschooler]

Offer TJ minimum if he declines pat him on the back

and send him on his way.

They could draft a WR that would make half of what TJ is making NOW.

($628,000) and they would be just as productive.

Sign Rudi.

He deserves top 10 money.

He is on the verge of breaking Dillons franchise record of

1435 yards. He is only 386 yards shy and needs to average

77.2 yards per game the next 5 games to match it.

If he does that how could you just let him go ?

Oh Warrick said he is going to come back in '05 at 120% !

'05 is the last year of his contract and if he wants to continue

his NFL career he HAS to come back strong !

[slf]

... needs to average 77.2 yards per game the next 5 games to match it.

If he does that how could you just let him go ?  ...

i sure hope he does that. The remaining defenses will sure be a challenge.

[Bobcat Bengal]

Oh Warrick said he is going to come back in '05 at 120% !

'05 is the last year of his contract and if he wants to continue

his NFL career he HAS to come back strong !

I thought the last year of his contract was voided out.

[oldschooler]

Oh Warrick said he is going to come back in '05 at 120% !

'05 is the last year of his contract and if he wants to continue

his NFL career he HAS to come back strong !

I thought the last year of his contract was voided out.

It was. He signed a 7 year deal in 2000.

The last year would have been '06 ...but he voided it.

He is scheduled to make $2.28 million in '05.

And K-Wash is going to be playing out the last year of his contract

in '05 too.

[Bobcat Bengal]

Oh Warrick said he is going to come back in '05 at 120% !

'05 is the last year of his contract and if he wants to continue

his NFL career he HAS to come back strong !

I thought the last year of his contract was voided out.

It was. He signed a 7 year deal in 2000.

The last year would have been '06 ...but he voided it.

He is scheduled to make $2.28 million in '05.

And K-Wash is going to be playing out the last year of his contract

in '05 too.

Gotcha

Squirrel Boy better step next year, if he want's to get paid, Mr.-7th-round-draft-pick is outperforming him in every aspect. (even though they're tied for TD receptions.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

TJ does a lot more on special teams than Washington too. He also deserves more than minimum because while you can draft a guy in the 6th or 7th round and pay them the same, they don't know the system, they don't have a relationship with CJ and CP, and they aren't involved in the community giving the Bengals a good name either.

Besides, you reward those who step up for you. I'm not saying he is going to get the big money, but he's earned a step up from minimum. The way to go is an incentive based contract where if he performs he makes a lot, and if he doesn't, he makes closer to minimum.

[Bobcat Bengal]

TJ deserves to be paid more than minimum.

In case none of you haven't noticed, he's built QUITE a rapport with Palmer, and this was going back since last year in the pre-season.

He's not getting as many TD's as you'd like, but he's making clutch plays and moving chains.

Give Pootie's stunt double some respect.

[schweinhart]

Oh Warrick said he is going to come back in '05 at 120% !

'05 is the last year of his contract and if he wants to continue

his NFL career he HAS to come back strong !

I thought the last year of his contract was voided out.

It was. He signed a 7 year deal in 2000.

The last year would have been '06 ...but he voided it.

He is scheduled to make $2.28 million in '05.

And K-Wash is going to be playing out the last year of his contract

in '05 too.

Old school, lest you want to confuse folks, you might want to include cap numbers w/ the base salaries on contracts like Warrick since the NFLPA data does not.

Warrick's 2005 salary including an escalator is the $2.28 mill.

But the cap hit should be closer to $3.7 mill to due pro-rate of $8.47 mill signing bonus spread on 7-year void to 6 deal. (Plus $200k off-season workout program bonus).

[BengalsOwn]

I personally see Warrick retiring.  They can't afford not to sign TJ since he is a cheap receiver for his talent.  They will let him check out the market, but he will find Cincinnati a better long term deal.

How in the hell do you see Warrick retiring? Have you read any of his interviews? He is saying he will be back better than he was in 2003. I don't beleive it, but he does. If he beleives that, he isn't retiring

Re-sign both, draft a WR first round.

Hrmn let's see, He didn't reveal the extent of his injury, what makes you think he would reveal that he might retire?

The Bengals can't afford his salary on the bench next year, so he will have to either renegotiate and restructure or be cut and retire.

What NFL team announces their players injuries? None of them do. Give me a break.

[joseph]

First of all to you freagin Baltimore fan who made the scoring average comment......Good news guy! I just heard on the news that the herpes virus can help prevent cancer. Who would have ever thought that bangin that Baltimore skank could save your life, huh!!!! Sorry I couldn't get into the smack talk section to give you a proper reeming for steppin in on Bengal land turf. Anywho, first of all T.J. is a decent reciever. He doesn't strike me as anything special though. The guy has had all season to step up and produce, and he really hasn't gotten the job done. Then he has one good game and the fools are up on em You know with Chad getting doubled on almost every play that means T.J. has seen more than his share of single coverage most of the season and he hasn't shown the ability to consistently get open a la a real good #2 reciever like P.W. Much less scare teams into paying any special attention to him. He's a number three reciever at best. Plus he isn't particulary adept at special teams play. Therefore he should be paid accordingly unless he shows last weeks performance was more than a flash in the pan. If he starts getting all uppity and asking for too much money then see ya Houshamnanazashda. Rudi on the other hand is a tough case. He's shown he's a good running back, but I don't think he's done as well this season as he did last year. He has a great personality, a hard work, and in general the type of guy that you love to have on your team.....That being said though....he's not an upper echelon running back. He's not really a great reciever out of the backfield from what I've seen. He's not a game breaker, and his yards per carry isn't overly impressive. I'm in no way saying he's not a good running back and isn't a tremendous asset to this team, but in the age of the salary cap you have to be able to put a monetary value to each players performance. From what it sounds like to me Rudi's agent may be asking for well over what he's worth in which case you gotta let him walk. I would be much more willing to give 6million a year to Shaun Alexander than 5 to Rudi.

[BengalsOwn]

First of all to you freagin Baltimore fan who made the scoring average comment......Good news guy! I just heard on the news that the herpes virus can help prevent cancer. Who would have ever thought that bangin that Baltimore skank could save your life, huh!!!! Sorry I couldn't get into the smack talk section to give you a proper reeming for steppin in on Bengal land turf. Anywho, first of all T.J. is a decent reciever. He doesn't strike me as anything special though. The guy has had all season to step up and produce, and he really hasn't gotten the job done. Then he has one good game and the fools are up on em You know with Chad getting doubled on almost every play that means T.J. has seen more than his share of single coverage most of the season and he hasn't shown the ability to consistently get open a la a real good #2 reciever like P.W. Much less scare teams into paying any special attention to him. He's a number three reciever at best. Plus he isn't particulary adept at special teams play. Therefore he should be paid accordingly unless he shows last weeks performance was more than a flash in the pan. If he starts getting all uppity and asking for too much money then see ya Houshamnanazashda. Rudi on the other hand is a tough case. He's shown he's a good running back, but I don't think he's done as well this season as he did last year. He has a great personality, a hard work, and in general the type of guy that you love to have on your team.....That being said though....he's not an upper echelon running back. He's not really a great reciever out of the backfield from what I've seen. He's not a game breaker, and his yards per carry isn't overly impressive. I'm in no way saying he's not a good running back and isn't a tremendous asset to this team, but in the age of the salary cap you have to be able to put a monetary value to each players performance. From what it sounds like to me Rudi's agent may be asking for well over what he's worth in which case you gotta let him walk. I would be much more willing to give 6million a year to Shaun Alexander than 5 to Rudi.

TJ has had several good games this season.

[jditty47]

First of all to you freagin Baltimore fan who made the scoring average comment......Good news guy! I just heard on the news that the herpes virus can help prevent cancer. Who would have ever thought that bangin that Baltimore skank could save your life, huh!!!! Sorry I couldn't get into the smack talk section to give you a proper reeming for steppin in on Bengal land turf. Anywho, first of all T.J. is a decent reciever. He doesn't strike me as anything special though. The guy has had all season to step up and produce, and he really hasn't gotten the job done. Then he has one good game and the fools are up on em You know with Chad getting doubled on almost every play that means T.J. has seen more than his share of single coverage most of the season and he hasn't shown the ability to consistently get open a la a real good #2 reciever like P.W. Much less scare teams into paying any special attention to him. He's a number three reciever at best. Plus he isn't particulary adept at special teams play. Therefore he should be paid accordingly unless he shows last weeks performance was more than a flash in the pan. If he starts getting all uppity and asking for too much money then see ya Houshamnanazashda. Rudi on the other hand is a tough case. He's shown he's a good running back, but I don't think he's done as well this season as he did last year. He has a great personality, a hard work, and in general the type of guy that you love to have on your team.....That being said though....he's not an upper echelon running back. He's not really a great reciever out of the backfield from what I've seen. He's not a game breaker, and his yards per carry isn't overly impressive. I'm in no way saying he's not a good running back and isn't a tremendous asset to this team, but in the age of the salary cap you have to be able to put a monetary value to each players performance. From what it sounds like to me Rudi's agent may be asking for well over what he's worth in which case you gotta let him walk. I would be much more willing to give 6million a year to Shaun Alexander than 5 to Rudi.

100% agree with this guy.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

I think both Rudi and TJ are earning contracts right now. Hopefully we will find a way to sign both of them for the next 5 years!

[Bobcat Bengal]

TJ? lol i say get rid of him. so what he had 2 TDs this past week, we'll have warrick back next year and KW too. we really dont need him.

You're trippin' dog, and that's not because of the game he had today.

Yeah, just let him go just like that, huh? In the infamous words of Redman, "Whatever Man".

And say what you want, he's made clutch plays this year. I remember at the beginning of pre-season where everyone was bitching about him because he dropped a couple of passes.

LIke I stated in my earlier post, he has a rapport with Palmer, I can just tell.

For a #3 reciever he sure as hell is steppin' his game up.

Maybe he should lend a hand to Squirrel Boy.

[chrishcovga]

I would almost hate to say this , but Being a Bengal fan I guess I have no choice!

" Bring back Pootie " !!...

I hate to admit it, but it definitely looks as though T.J. " Pootie-Tang " Houshmanzadeh has finally turned what he does in PRACTICE into production on the football field.

T.J. has definitely earned a spot on the roster next year. Peter's in the final year of his contract, so it's gonna be interesting to see who out fights who for the Starters Spot next season.

Tendering T.J. doesn't look possible for us next year, cause all we would get in compensation is a 7th rounder...

Gotta make him a Bengal and put Defenses to shame next year with our 4 wideout package on third down. CJ, PW, TJ, and KW look pretty good for a 3rd year Quarterback to have.

[semiotter]

I say try to keep both, T.Js is getting used to CARSON as we can see over the last few weeks. And RUDI is the type of back that takes pressure off CARSON because they have to respect are running game. Do the right thing and sign them both...

[jditty47]

ok ok ill eat my crow on tj but not on rudi. tj can come back as a 3rd or 4th receiver.

[HoosierCat]

T.Js is getting used to CARSON as we can see over the last few weeks.

That's the key, as I noted in another thread. Maybe TJ really is just a run-of-the-mill WR, but he seems to be building some magic with Carson. He appears to have decided to hook his wagon to Carson's star, and that may well turn out to be the smartest move he's ever made.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

ok ok ill eat my crow on tj but not on rudi. tj can come back as a 3rd or 4th receiver.

jdummy you just don't get it. Rudi IS a top 10 running back, and the chances of us getting a better running back than him next year are slim to none.

But, apparently he anally raped you in a past life, because you can't understand that he's a damned fine back who is young enough to have a decade of play left in him and should be signed.

[bengalsfan33]

ok ok ill eat my crow on tj but not on rudi. tj can come back as a 3rd or 4th receiver.

TJ needs to be coming back as our 2nd receiver! I'm sorry, but he has became Palmer's favorite tarfet, and is making big plays to win us games. When Warrick gets back next season, he'll be our 3rd receiver...Just watch and see...

[jditty47]

keep calling me dummy u punk ass bitch. its the internet, name calling is for the retarded.

[Tampa Bengal]

They will both be back. Rudi for sure. He is ranked 6th in rushing this season. There will be a few other good backs out there in free agency but most have had injuries and may not last but a couple of years more. Rudi is in good shape as far as running backs go so it makes sense to pay him if not the top 5 at least the 7th or 8th. The Bengals should have the dough. I know they dropped a load on Chad and Carson but I can't think of anyone else on the team making a ton money. I think they can get a lot of the money Warrick is taking up to use on Rudi. I have a feeling that Warrick's career is done, but I'm not sure how long his contract is for.

[jjakq27]

First of all I need to say that I was one of many that thought TJ didn't belong on this team and should be cut early in training camp. However with the non-emergence of Kelly Washington this year and the loss of Peter Warrick, he should be considered one of the teams MVPs this season. I am certainly glad that he is still here.

He was on the radio last week, a few days after the Cleveland game, and he said that he was 95% sure that he was going to stay in Cincinnati. He said he likes it here and wants to stay which is a good thing to hear. Hopefully it will work out.

Dave Lapham said yesterday that he thought the Bengals would tag Rudi and negotiate from there. This way they are protected if someone else signs him. Sounds like a good plan.

Another consideration is Jon Kitna and if he will be around next year. If he is gone that will free up some cap room. I would like to see them keep him but in this business that is a real possibility.

Also perhaps some guys could offer to renegotiate their contract to keep Rudi here. If they are all really buying into what this team can accomplish, then maybe someone needs to step up and "take one for the team".

I hope they can keep both guys next year.

[Art Vandalay]

We should worry about getting Warrick healthy. I doubt he will retire after a short NFL career. Also, with our drfat picks we need to work on the defense. We definitely need some decent linebackers, possibly the next "killer" Lewis.

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