I say Kitna in until 1 more loss.

[walzav29]

Palmer is the future and I am fine with that, but I do feel that at this juncture with a 4-6 record the only way we have a chance is to win the final 6. Which is almost impossible. Kitna gives us the best chance for the rest of this season. If we do lose 1 more game then throw Palmer in the rest of the way. The defense is much improved and if we could avoid the rookie mistakes I could see a run. I am totally fine with Palmer and he has gained experience, but maybe we should let him sit back a minute. 4 chances to win or tie at the end and to blow all of them can't help his confidence. Next year looks to be the year, but if we want a playoff appearance this year Kitna is the best chance.

[KYBENGALFAN]

SCREW ALL THIS TALK ABOUT KITNA REPLACING PALMER !!! I was at the game, and yes, Carson Palmer overthrew his receiver or missed his target or threw into triple coverage for an ill-advised throw and pick the other way for a touchdown, but he's making great strides. To sit him down now would ruin his progress and damage his self-esteem. Look at BIG BEN for Pittsburgh, he had a TERRIBLE DAY, getting sacked seven times, and fumbled the football just hearing footsteps in the red zone. So let's move on, no more Kitna talk. NADA. WHO DEY !!!! :player:

[walzav29]

Are you saying that for this season Palmer is our best chance at winning the last 6?

[skyline]

Are you saying that for this season Palmer is our best chance at winning the last 6?

Ok...so what if we put Kitna in...a miracle happens, AND we win the next 6.

1) That wouldn't happen. We would still lose more than one game of the reamining 6...even if we played VERY well.

2) Let's say it did...we still aren't going to get to the Super Bowl, or even come close...

3) The only thing it would gain is stunting Palmer's development that much more. You want him to miss out on the opportunity to play against teams like Philly and New England? Those are invaluable learning opportunities that Palmer needs to be the player we want him to be in the future.

[walzav29]

AT least it's a shot at this year. I'm tired of saying next year. When will it end?

[ArmyBengal]

Stop the insanity !!!

[HoosierCat]

Palmer made his share of mistakes yesterday, but he wasn't the one holding, taunting, making illegal blocks or committing late hits. The entire O was a sloppy, penalty-ridden disaster in the second half yesterday, and that's what killed us. What we need more than Kitna is a healthy o-line that can sustain a running attack and pass protect for more than one half of a game.

[skyline]

Palmer made his share of mistakes yesterday, but he wasn't the one holding, taunting, making illegal blocks or committing late hits. The entire O was a sloppy, penalty-ridden disaster in the second half yesterday, and that's what killed us. What we need more than Kitna is a healthy o-line that can sustain a running attack and pass protect for more than one half of a game.

Yep...I liked Willie's comments after the game yesterday as well (which are pretty much along the lines of what you just said). I think that will be some motivation to the offense this week.

[Kirkendall]

My question is why do we think that Kitna, not having a snap all season, very limited snaps during practice and training camp, will come in and immediately take over?

What we need more than Kitna is a healthy o-line that can sustain a running attack and pass protect for more than one half of a game.

I would have liked to have seen more than five rushing attempts in the second half. I realize there were other attempts that were called back for penalty, but the Steelers almost figured we would pass; especially in the fourth. The team abandoned the run, and yes there were penalties, but the team never established a sense of confusion on Pittsburgh. The play-calling could have been better as the o-line, as Palmer's play, as the receivers play.

It's not big deal anymore. We're 0-4 for the division, what possible chance does this team have in the first place? Let's let the kids play out and see what they're made of when games don't matter; the character of the team is what I'm looking for... Palmer started showing some in the first half Sunday.

[belmontbengal]

LOL

If any of you think that Kitna will come in and turn this team around, I have some nice real estate in Brooklyn to sell you.

Do any of you honestly think that this team could compete in the playoffs this year if we DID win our last 6? PLEASE.

This thread gets a big from me.

[walzav29]

I think that Palmer has learned alot this year. I'm saying that the coffin door is closed, the nails aren't in it yet. After all of the penalties, and the lack of a running game they still had a chance to tie or end it at the end. This time it was a safety. Maybe it is impossible to win the last six, but I think they have a better chance to win 6 this year with Kitna. Do you think Marvin has given up on the season? Parcell's is putting in Hutch because he knows this season is over. We have 1 more loss until that point. I think Palmer doesn't have the confidence yet.

[Kirkendall]

I think Palmer doesn't have the confidence yet.

He sure doesn't look like it at times, that's for sure.

[Marvin's Maniax]

This is laughable. When did Kitna become Jesus Christ. He is not our saviour! Kitna has had 2 quality years in the NFL, thats it. I am sick and tired of uneducated fans saying bring in Kitna he's better than Palmer. When the bengals had injuries at the end of last season Kitna was horrible. People see those 26td he had and think wow, guess what he should have had more but he choked at the end of the year.

[bengalboomer7]

I know that we are all growing impatient and who blames us, it's been 15 years, but I am more excited about our team than I have been in years even though yesterday just killed me. Can anyone remember when we had this many young guys playing exceptionally. Right now the only reason I can say wait till next year is the superb play of our young guys. With the defense stepping up, maybe we can afford to play some kind of ravens ball in the future where Carson just doesn't lose it for us. Don't get me wrong, I stilll think Carson is the real deal, but finally it's not all on him to be our savior. I am a little worried about Rudi because I thought he could be an elite back (I'm still not sure he isn't) but I'm not sure how much confiedence the bengals have in him.

Hekk, I was so mad yesterday I said I wouldn't be here all week, and look at me, first thing monday morning and I'm pecking awaay at my keyboard. I need to jion FA - football anyonomous

Anyway, it looks like the future is bright, and Carson will get it sooner or later (please make it sooner) And I can understand everyone's lack of patience, but when was the last time you even got to watch all four quarters of a bengals game! for yearsa they'd be out of the game by halftime. So, my fellow loyal bengal fans, keep your chin up because I still feel with the direction Marvin is taking us we will eventually get the last laugh

[HoosierCat]

This is laughable. When did Kitna become Jesus Christ.

The backup QB is always the most popular guy on a struggling team (see Ramsey in DC, Henson in Dallas, Eli in NY, etc.). No surprise to see calls for Kit. And if it were Palmer's fault we were losing I'd be right there alongside those calling for a change. But he has had plenty of help putting up L's. More than a new QB, we need Warrick back and Perry to show if he's a better replacement for Dillon than Rudi. But neither of those things look like they'll happen this year -- and without them Kit wouldn't have any more luck than Carson.

[WhoDey42]

I like Kitna...but he's not as good as some people are talking like. There's no way he would gel with this offense and turn them around into winning enough games to get in the playoffs.

[oldschooler]

Palmer has almost 2100 yards.

He has 9 TD`s and 13 INT`s.

He is averaging 210 yards a little under a TD

and a little over an INT a game.

This is all with a banged up O-Line, without the benefit of

a TE threat, no running game and only 1 true WR threat.

Yeah he is a bust. Bring on Kitna.

*sarcasm off*

[ShulaSteakhouse]

While making no excuses for Palmer's stupidity - I am guessing Kitna is not the guy you want in there either to direct last minute drives every single week to win games.

The only QB who is going to win games here is John Elway given the way these losses end up with last minute drives all the time.

This team just isn't good enough to win six games from here on out and need guys like Warrick back, changes on the 0-line and a new 0-line coach, and Palmer needs every single snap he can possibly get the rest of the year.

As for Palmer he needs to get tougher, more competitive, and neeeds to learn how to handle pressure better.

He just seems soft and passive and quiet - not a good personality for an NFL QB to have.

[WhoDey42]

As for Palmer he needs to get tougher, more competitive, and neeeds to learn how to handle pressure better.

He just seems soft and passive and quiet - not a good personality for an NFL QB to have.

Yeah, he needs to handle pressure better. But, I don't think being quiet has anything to do with how much you want to win and how competetive you are.

[jamesbrooks21]

Are you saying that for this season Palmer is our best chance at winning the last 6?

Pick any QB ya want, all-time for that matter. Montana, Marino, Elway, Namath, and so-on. None of them could come in and lead us to 6 straight including wins AT New England, AT Baltimore, and AT Philly. Leave Palmer in.

[Bobcat Bengal]

I think Palmer doesn't have the confidence yet.

He sure doesn't look like it at times, that's for sure.

I'm not sure what his look is under that face mask:

Take your pick....

It's definitely not confidence.

[HoosierCat]

I think Palmer doesn't have the confidence yet.

He sure doesn't look like it at times, that's for sure.

I'm not sure what his look is under that face mask:

Take your pick....

It's definitely not confidence.

Why are you surprised? What did he have to be confident in during the second half yesterday?

The Bengals third "drive" of the second half pretty much sums it all up, IMHO:

1-10-CIN28 (2:37) R.Johnson right tackle to CIN 35 for 7 yards (T.Polamalu).

PENALTY on CIN-C.Johnson, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CIN 30.

1-18-CIN20 (2:09) C.Palmer pass to T.Houshmandzadeh to CIN 24 for 4 yards (T.Polamalu).

2-14-CIN24 (1:31) C.Palmer pass to K.Washington to CIN 45 for 21 yards (W.Williams).

1-10-CIN45 (:54) C.Palmer pass incomplete to K.Washington (C.Hope).

PENALTY on PIT-D.Townsend, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at CIN 45 - No Play.

1-10-50  (:46) R.Johnson right end to PIT 46 for 4 yards (C.Haggans).

PENALTY on CIN, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play. No violator identified on penalty.

1-20-CIN40 (:19) C.Palmer pass to C.Johnson to CIN 43 for 3 yards (W.Williams).

Fourth Quarter

Cincinnati Bengals continued...

2-17-CIN43 (15:00) C.Palmer pass incomplete to C.Johnson.

3-17-CIN43 (14:56) (Shotgun) C.Palmer pass incomplete to M.Schobel.

4-17-CIN43 (14:49) K.Larson punts 44 yards to PIT 13, Center-B.St. Louis. A.Randle El to PIT 19 for 6 yards (L.Johnson).

PENALTY on PIT-I.Taylor, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 6 yards, enforced at PIT 12. A.Randle El (PIT#82) credited with 0 return yards due to penalty.

If you're Palmer, what about your offense here is inspiring confidence? On 1st and 10 you hand the ball off and watch your offense lose 8 yards on a penalty. Great, now it's 2nd and 18 and you're in the hot seat. Well, what the heck, no one said life was fair, so you drop back and go 2 for 25 passing your next two plays. Bingo, first down again.

OK, playcalling getting predictable? After all, you've run on 1st down every 1st you've had so far this half. Let's mix it up with a pass. Well, it goes incomplete but you get five free yards on a Pitt penalty. So now Palmer is effectively 2-4 for 30 yards on the drive. OK, don't want to give up on the run, so let's go back to the ground...and they promptly commit another penalty and it's 1st and 20. Hiya Palmer, 'member this hot seat? 1-2 on the next three throws and it's punt time.

To summarize, Palmer goes 3 for 6 for 28 yards, plus a 5 free yards on one of his incompletions. The run offense goes 2 plays for minus-18 yards. Could Palmer be better? Sure. But does he have any reason to have confidence in the rest of the O? Nope.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Palmer lost that game for us by not being smart enough to throw the ball away instead of into double coverage and throwing a TD pass to the Steelers instead of punting, and then, not being aware of where he was and intentionally grounding the ball from inside his end zone. He should have thrown it away, but NOT from his endzone.

If he makes these kinds of mistakes against Cleveland, damn right he should be benched. You don't learn not to make these mistakes if there's no punishment.

[Sox]

Kitna's first season as a Bengals starter(and he had previous starting experience in Seatlle).

12 TD's-22 INT's-QB rating of 61.1

Palmer's first year as a starter through ten games with NO prior starting experience in the NFL.

9 TD's-13 INT's-QB rating of 67.2

Kitna had two passes for over 40 yards that season;Palmer already has five.

Just food for thought.

[BengalBax]

Palmer is the future and I am fine with that, but I do feel that at this juncture with a 4-6 record the only way we have a chance is to win the final 6. Which is almost impossible. Kitna gives us the best chance for the rest of this season. If we do lose 1 more game then throw Palmer in the rest of the way. The defense is much improved and if we could avoid the rookie mistakes I could see a run. I am totally fine with Palmer and he has gained experience, but maybe we should let him sit back a minute. 4 chances to win or tie at the end and to blow all of them can't help his confidence. Next year looks to be the year, but if we want a playoff appearance this year Kitna is the best chance.

I like posts like this. keep up the good work!