What do u think of Mike Brown?

[vettespd20]

Just wondering how people feel about Mike Brown now. I remember when people hated him so much that he was one of the main talks when the Bengals was mentioned. I remember when there were brown bags on peoples faces with his name asking for him to step down. I personally am starting to like him, I think that he has changed a lot, and feel that he has done a good job in giving a lot of his power away. I feel now this team has the leadership and finally has the organization behind supporting it. If any one has a poll answer that i have not listed feel free to post it.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

You left out "I've never had a problem with him".

Some of us have never been down on Mike Brown.

[BengalBobNC]

Prior to the hiring of Marvin Lewis, at the urging of Katie Blackburn, I was getting real sick of Mike Brown. Those close to him probably know different, but I felt like he didn't care. His stupid loyalty clause, hiring coaches who were exBengals loyal to him yet sucked as coaches, etc, etc. We all know the story.

I think it took very vocal fans who had had enough to get it through to him that something real had to change.

I think things are continuing to look better, regardless of the, before last night's victory, 1-4 start. We all wanted to be much better much sooner due to all the post-Paul Brown history.

Lewis simply needs more time to turn around the worst franchise in NFL history, but make no mistake about it. He is doing it IMO.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Prior to the hiring of Marvin Lewis, at the urging of Katie Blackburn, I was getting real sick of Mike Brown. Those close to him probably know different, but I felt like he didn't care. His stupid loyalty clause, hiring coaches who were exBengals loyal to him yet sucked as coaches, etc, etc. We all know the story.

I think it took very vocal fans who had had enough to get it through to him that something real had to change.

I think things are continuing to look better, regardless of the, before last night's victory, 1-4 start. We all wanted to be much better much sooner due to all the post-Paul Brown history.

Lewis simply needs more time to turn around the worst franchise in NFL history, but make no mistake about it. He is doing it IMO.

The loyalty clause is anything BUT stupid. It provides an outlet for the team to get back money from cancers in the locker room.

[BengalBobNC]

The loyalty clause is anything BUT stupid. It provides an outlet for the team to get back money from cancers in the locker room.

Freedom of speech exists, even in a Cincinnati Bengals uniform. Mike Brown only instituted this at the height of the "dark years". The so called Pickens Clause. I think those players had a right to speak out against the pathetic management of the team especially during that time. Mike Brown wanted to keep them quiet.

I think the clause is still in effect and still put in new contracts. I think it should go away.

My opinion.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

The loyalty clause is anything BUT stupid. It provides an outlet for the team to get back money from cancers in the locker room.

Freedom of speech exists, even in a Cincinnati Bengals uniform. Mike Brown only instituted this at the height of the "dark years". The so called Pickens Clause. I think those players had a right to speak out against the pathetic management of the team especially during that time. Mike Brown wanted to keep them quiet.

I think the clause is still in effect and still put in new contracts. I think it should go away.

My opinion.

Just as you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre, or lie about a crime being committed, or sell pornography to children, freedom of speach only goes so far.

In the world of football, owners/coaches cannot simply fire people if they insult their boss like they can in the real world. Football players get HUGE signing bonuses. The Bengals, and nearly every team in the league, have a loyalty clause saying that their actions reflect not only upon themselves but upon their team, and the league. It spells out for them what the RULE in the NFL is anyway so that they cannot plead ignorance. It ensures that players know that their words and actions can take away the money they are paid ahead of time for appropriately representing their team.

[Scottishbengal]

I think those players had a right to speak out against the pathetic management of the team

I think those players had a moral right to put in some effort, guts and desire - they took the money quick enough and they needed to show some loyalty in return.

Like you said, that was back in the "dark days" - a brighter future lies ahead.

[skyline]

I don't think the loyalty cause limits their freedom of speech. I would guess they are free to bring up any concerns/complaints, etc. to Lewis or another coach. The players talk to each other, etc.

What it comes down to is doing what is good for the football team. Criticizing the team and each other through the media is the last thing a football team needs to worry about.

[Barbarian]

Ok, which 3 of you morons said "love him". I want you to admit it--and I wanna know why.

Yes, I'm serious. In case you're wondering--I voted for hit him. Just like every Bungle Fan should.

[vettespd20]

I honestly dont see why any one LOVES HIM, But I do think that everyone has to feel a little better about the way things are going.

[CTBengalsFan]

I voted starting to like... this offseason will really mold my opinion on him.

[Tee]

I cant stand him. How could ANYONE like the guy? He put us through 12 years of Losing... He brought the team down to an low that wasn't even competative. If it wasn't for Katie, his daughter pushing for Marvin Lewis and change then it probably would have been more of the same old losing. Now the team has a definate direction. We can all see that.

[TippCityRick]

I voted for dislike him. Yes there have been changes and they have been for the better. But I still think he is an incompetant GM and until he relinquishes that title and the powers that go with it, I will feel he hasn't done ALL HE CAN DO to turn this franchise around.

[BengalBobNC]

If it wasn't for Katie, his daughter pushing for Marvin Lewis and change then it probably would have been more of the same old losing.

I don't think so. Mike Brown wanted Tom Coughlin, a notorius disciplinarian! Discipline was something the Bengals lacked big time. Marvin Lewis brought his discipline to this team as well.

I do not love Mike Brown. 1991-2001 were brutal on everyone, but I do acknowledge that the thickest head in football ownership, finally got it through his thick head, and listened to his daughter (and booing fans), brought in Marvin Lewis, and made changes never before seen in Bengal-land. Great changes too, not same ol' same ol' changes.

[Tampa Bengal]

Ok, which 3 of you morons said "love him". I want you to admit it--and I wanna know why.

I'm with Barb on this one?

I can see one side that he didn't take the money and run to Baltimore like Art Modell did, but on the other hand he kind of highjacked the city in to paying for the new stadium under a false pretense that the team needed a new place in order to be competitive. OK Mike, you didn't move the team... thanks but other than that what really have you done prior to 2003?

I voted to that my opinion of him is changing but I think that Katie is more or less running the show at this point. So I guess it's less hate for Mike and more see what Katie can do. So far it looks promising.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Ok, which 3 of you morons said "love him".  I want you to admit it--and I wanna know why.

Yes, I'm serious.  In case you're wondering--I voted for hit him.  Just like every Bungle Fan should.

   

I voted love him. I know Mike Brown and his wife. The only fault Mr. Brown has is that he learned about Loyalty from his father and it is one of his biggest virtues. He gave people who had worked hard for him the opportunity to show him they could be a head coach. He recognized the mistake and looked for someone else who could do the job. Finally he found someone who can do it.

You are right though, if you want to be a Bungle fan you should hit him. Because if it wasn't for him, Cincinnati wouldn't HAVE a team. Any other owner would have deserted this small market of fans who wear bags on their heads and can't get past "the bungles" when the team is moving forward and moved their team to Los Angeles where they could earn more money, or to Tennessee or Baltimore. Anywhere but here. Mike Brown turned down some hefty offers to stay here in Cincinnati, but you wouldn't remember that.

Not only that, but our Bengals play at Paul Brown Stadium, a beautiful stadium honoring one of the NFL's most inovative coaches. We could be playing at the "Head and Shoulders" Stadium, or "Folgers Field".

[BengalBobNC]

Any other owner would have deserted this small market of fans who wear bags on their heads and can't get past "the bungles" when the team is moving forward and moved their team to Los Angeles where they could earn more money, or to Tennessee or Baltimore. Anywhere but here. Mike Brown turned down some hefty offers to stay here in Cincinnati, but you wouldn't remember that.

Hold on just a minute. The Bengals, prior to Marvin Lewis and after Sam Wyche, should have considered themselves lucky to get 40 fans in the stands, not the 40,000 that still showed up to root for this team. Correct me if I am wrong, but over 65,000 (a team record) showed up for the MNF game against Denver. During 1991-2001 it was same ol' same ol'. Getting our hopes up only to see them crash and burn. We had our moments, 1997 with Boomer and Coslet comes to mind. What happened the next year. Neil O'Donnell???? I think Bengal fans had all the right in the world to be pissed off over how the team was being run after Paul Brown. Not right to hit him, but certainly every right to be pissed off.

If you know Mike Brown personally then you have insight few have. I never doubted he wanted to win, I doubted that he knew how to win in the modern era of the NFL. I also know he had some of the worse luck in the draft. Ki-Jana, Big Daddy, etc. Passing on all of Ditka's draft picks to take Akili Smith? Talk about putting pressure on a rookie QB even if he had "can't miss" skills. He still had to deal with Ken Anderson as QB coach among other things. I also felt that his pride got in the way of making sound football decisions. It wasn't until Marvin Lewis was hired and allowed to clean house did my respect for him return to what it is now. I mean come on, Dave Shula picked as head coach??? And allowed to remain in that position for as long as he did??? It wasn't until we blew a 21-0 lead against the 49ers and lost that he finally got canned!

Anyone who understands football knows we are on the right track FINALLY! Marvin Lewis will resurrect this once proud team. And I thank Mike Brown for listening to Katie and bringing him in.

I too love the fact that our stadium is named after the founder of the Bengals instead of selling out to the highest bidder. But that doesn't mean much when you were the laughingstock of the NFL for so many years. Now it does because PROPER changes have been made and are being made. Heinz Field...what a joke. I expected a little better from the Rooney's. Denver's stadium should still be called Mile High Stadium, not whatever joke name it is now.

For what it's worth: I voted the "like him, good changes" option.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I cant stand him. How could ANYONE like the guy? He put us through 12 years of Losing... He brought the team down to an low that wasn't even competative. If it wasn't for Katie, his daughter pushing for Marvin Lewis and change then it probably would have been more of the same old losing. Now the team has a definate direction. We can all see that.

I'm with Tee here. It's going to take whole alot more than an 8-8 season to make me forget about 14 straight years of bending me over and sticking it to me with his tight wad policies, while still making a profit off the team the whole time!

The day you bring Cincinnati home a Super Bowl Championship Trophy Mikie, THAT'S the day when you get off the s**t list! Yeah, yeah. You're headed in the right direction, but it ain't because you found the way all on your own. Do keep listening to those people who are presently helping to guide you, and you just may find a whole lot more Christmas cards from us come time for the holidays!

[Dan2330]

My question: How many of you took this poll after the MNF victory and were ready before the game to hate him, and now think he is great?

One game does not do it for me, this guy is one of the PROVEN worst owners in football. The team he put on the football field in the 90's was the worst of any pro sport for that decade, he has a track record of piss poor free agency (remember this is the same cheap snake that made Tony Siragoose (sp?) buy his own coach ticket when he was a free agent), draft picks stink, and one of the only one's I know of that built a stadium that everyone in the county wanted to sue him over.

Lets see if the Marvin hiring was a flash in the pan or a long term success, lets see some free agents actually come here (last year was a bust, even with Marvin), and let's get some qualilty draft picks- just how many rushes does Chris Perry have up to this point? And he was picked where?

When MIKE BROWN stops making his Bengals the butt of jokes and the girls over at ESPN stop making fun of them, then maybe I change, but as of now: HIT HIM

[jditty47]

Can i vote Skeptical? Hate every year till last year and now i still dont trust him, but im fine with what hes done to improve and make us competitive. I hate the mike brown talks btw, we all know we have a s**tty owner, lets get over it already. There are much more important issues to discuss like when CJ is gonna actually do a TD celebration (sarcasm ppl)