Marvin Lewis may be in big trouble

[BengalszoneBilly]

Marvin Lewis may be in big trouble if he can't turn this thing around.

This statement is too true to be only mentioned in the smack forum. Maybe Marvin is a good/great defensive coordinator. If you look at his work in Baltimore and Washington, there is no shortage of impressive defensive statistics that look quite good on his record, which leaves me totally bewildered about our current pathetic defense.

Does that automatically make you a good head coach? Hardly.

Look at the Bengals former head coach Dick Lebeau. Good defensive coordinator. Came to the Bengals, became head coach and didn't do anything worth mention. Now he's in Pittsburg as a defensive coordinator, and doing a pretty good job again.

Look at Buddy Ryan. Great defensive coordinator with the Bears Super Bowl team. Then the Cardinals hire him as their head coach. I still remember him walking off the private jet and over to the microphone of all the Phoenix T.V. stations carrying it live, and uttered these first words. "Ya'll got a winner in town now!" Yeah...right Buddy. His stay in Arizona was dismal and brief.

I'm not saying that Marvin is among these examples I've previously mentioned above, but as like Barbarian pointed out, if things don't improve soon, any love affair the Bengals fans may still have with him will start to sour. I'm hoping he will turn things around and get the team to play well enough to win at least 6 games.

God forbid he lets this team fall to much less than that. If he has weaknesses on his staff, Frazier and Bratkowski in particular, he should take action soon and deal with it. If he's getting poor drafting advice, he needs to recognize that and make those changes too. He could find far better help here with the mock drafts I've seen here at Bengalszone! Not ONE of them had wasted a 1st round pick on a RB!

It's Marvin Lewis's second full season as the Bengals head coach. Problems like I've mentioned wouldn't be uncommon in any head coaches 2nd season. It's how they deal with them that separates good head coaches from those that find themselves fired and back doing their old jobs again. I'm really hoping to see him on our sidelines for many years to come as Cowher has in Pittsburg for more years than most coaches could dream of!

[Barbarian]

Marvin Lewis may be in big trouble if he can't turn this thing around.

This statement is too true to be only mentioned in the smack forum. Maybe Marvin is a good/great defensive coordinator. If you look at his work in Baltimore and Washington, there is no shortage of impressive defensive statistics that look quite good on his record, which leaves me totally bewildered about our current pathetic defense.

Does that automatically make you a good head coach? Hardly.

Look at the Bengals former head coach Dick Lebeau. Good defensive coordinator. Came to the Bengals, became head coach and didn't do anything worth mention. Now he's in Pittsburg as a defensive coordinator, and doing a pretty good job again.

Look at Buddy Ryan. Great defensive coordinator with the Bears Super Bowl team. Then the Cardinals hire him as their head coach. I still remember him walking off the private jet and over to the microphone of all the Phoenix T.V. stations carrying it live, and uttered these first words. "Ya'll got a winner in town now!" Yeah...right Buddy. His stay in Arizona was dismal and brief.

I'm not saying that Marvin is among these examples I've previously mentioned above, but as like Barbarian pointed out, if things don't improve soon, any love affair the Bengals fans may still have with him will start to sour. I'm hoping he will turn things around and get the team to play well enough to win at least 6 games.

God forbid he lets this team fall to much less than that. If he has weaknesses on his staff, Frazier and Bratkowski in particular, he should take action soon and deal with it. If he's getting poor drafting advice, he needs to recognize that and make those changes too. He could find far better help here with the mock drafts I've seen here at Bengalszone! Not ONE of them had wasted a 1st round pick on a RB!

It's Marvin Lewis's second full season as the Bengals head coach. Problems like I've mentioned wouldn't be uncommon in any head coaches 2nd season. It's how they deal with them that separates good head coaches from those that find themselves fired and back doing their old jobs again. I'm really hoping to see him on our sidelines for many years to come as Cowher has in Pittsburg for more years than most coaches could dream of!

Marvin Lewis, Dick WeBlow, and Buddy Ryan all have this one thing in common:

Horrible petty thieving money-hungry owners that like to hold entire Metropolis' hostage for new stadiums.

Bidwell and Brown. The same prototypical money-pinching owners.

Ryan, WeBlow, AND LEWIS were doomed from the start. It's very harsh dealing with a Front Office that's totally inept. Throughout these last 14 years, the Bungles have been as inept as they come--I'm talking CLIPPER-LIKE.

Not trading up all those picks for Ricky. Selecting Akillme instead (double whammy there). Then the triple whammy--having Akillme being a total failure because a. he held out because the front office was being petty with a contract dispute b. he just didn't have the talent/smarts for the NFL.

Then for the last 3 years, the Bungles NEEDED a Defensive Tackle--they took stupid picks for all those 1st round draft picks instead of drafting for a desperate need.

And they should have drafted a Defensive Tackle then signed Warren Sapp to mentor, since the Bungles can't develop DT's for s**t.

That's what hardships coaches like WeBlow and Lewis had to overcome--which they can't. NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY COACH--THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH FRONT OFFICES THAT WANT TO DRAFT CHRIS PERRY INSTEAD OF VINCE WOLFORK.

The stupidity of the front office this year may have surpassed the past stupidities. Kirk, I, and others have bitched all offseason about the shape of the Defensive Line, which is too stupid to even comment about.

If I were Lewis, I'd resign while I had a good name. But Lewis seems hard-headed to me--he'll stick it out to the bitter end. Then Mikey will end up firing him and blame one mediocre season and 2 piss-poor seasons on "inept coaching".

Then Mikey will hire in another head coach for cheap just to resurrect the spirits of the sheep and get the flock back into the CORRAL--AKA PAUL BROWN STADIUM. Mikey will hire someone stupid too--like Mike Murlarkey or Dennis Erickson because they ARE THE CHEAPEST COACHES ON THE MARKET.

I know this franchise. It'll happen. You watch. Wasn't Leslie Frazier being considered for the head coaching job before Lewis interviewed?????? Just imagine how big that mistake would be.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I know this franchise.  It'll happen.  You watch.  Wasn't Leslie Frazier being considered for the head coaching job before Lewis interviewed??????  Just imagine how big that mistake would be.

     

Frazier!?! Being considered as a head coach for the Bengals before Lewis was hired!?! Up until Marvin hiring him as defensive coordinator, his only previous NFL coaching experience was as the Eagles defensive secondary coach. THAT'S IT!

I mean how hard is it to coach players like CB Troy Vincent, CB Bobby Taylor and FS Brian Dawkins? Right. A real freakin' tough job huh? So that's reason enough to be considered for a NFL head coaching position!?!

That perposturous, ludicrous, insane, and completely idiotic!! That's why I totally believe you when you say Mike Brown considered it! It has every characteristic of a "Mikie" decision!

And speaking of "Mikie" and "decisions," does anyone know who really has the final say on the Bengals draft choices? I've heard that it's Mike, it's Marvin, it's Mike AND Marvin, etc. Seeing how Cincinnati selected RB Chris Perry #1 in the last draft when we needed (and STILL need) help on the defensive line totally smells like Mike Brown. Especially when you consider Rudi Johnsons situation and how it would financially impact the team. That pick wasn't made to help a team, that pick was made to help a teams bottom line!! As in $$$ folks. And who would you suspect of such a thing between Marvin or Mike? Tough question, eh?

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Horrible petty thieving money-hungry owners that like to hold entire Metropolis' hostage for new stadiums.

This is true. According to Trumpy (I know, I know) he says Marv has to put up with "an awful lot of crap" down at PBS.

And for more evidence of this, Marv reportedly compared working with the Brown family to the stone ages with a group of people.

He wants to bring in that big defensive FA to get them over the hump but fights the Brown family's unwillingness to "over-pay" any FA player no matter who it is.

He wants an indoor practice facility like every other team has but has not as of yet been able to get the Bengals' to pay for it (since they have to).

I'm guessing the Palmer and Perry picks were Mike Brown picks as I know Brown wanted someone who would yield to him on 1st rounders.

All that said the lack of execution, penalties and mental mistakes, lack of motivation, confidence etc.., all fall on his head.

But the major underlying, continuous problems with this team has everything to do with Mike Brown and his minions/relatives who undermine every head coach who comes in here.

The Bengals desperately need a proven, trustworthy GM to run their football operations, end of story. Until then a winning season will be a matter of the stars aligning correctly and a lot of luck versus good, sound roster management and personnel decisions.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Oh yeah shouldn't forget the absolute most important part of this - the draft. Being able to draft properly is the difference maker in a parity-filled league.

The Steelers are an excellent example (as is Baltimore) in that they have a long term system with proven coaches in place who can draft players that fit their short and long term plans/goals, and fit their system, and get great value out of who they pick.

The Bengals have hired so many lame duck coaches over the years that they have to completely re-invent their roster it seems every 3 years and are always behind the curve with other teams when it comes to consistency.

Then they get stuck paying top 10 draft guys a ton of dough even though they don't fit their scheme anymore (Justin Smith, Reinard Wilson, Akili Smith et al).

I think Lewis "gets it" and needs to stay around here for 3-5 years and we'll see the difference. We need a situation like in Denver, Philly, Indy, Baltimore, Pitt, and Seattle where head coaches run the show for as long as they need to.

Getting rid of slobs like Paul Alexander and Hunley and Frasier might be necessary though, if Marvin has the guts to do it and bring in some better people.

[Kirkendall]

I thought this was interesting.

Tom Landry's first two seasons: 4-20

Jimmy Johnson's first 2 seasons: 8-23

Bill Parcells first two seasons: 11-19

Bill Belichicks first two seasons: 13-19

Marv Levy's first two seasons: 11-21

[BengalszoneBilly]

I thought this was interesting.

Tom Landry's first two seasons: 4-20

Jimmy Johnson's first 2 seasons: 8-23

Bill Parcells first two seasons: 11-19

Bill Belichicks first two seasons: 13-19

Marv Levy's first two seasons: 11-21

Yeah...talk about your "List-O-Losers" eh? ***heavy sarcasm folks!***