Should Kitna replace Palmer?

[B24]

In this game, with kitna, we still lose. But I guarantee that we would have been in it until the end. The Miami game would never be in doubt. The Jets game would have at least went into OT. No big deal, let the kid develop. You just know it is bad when you can see CJ on the tube SCREAMING and throwing his arms up in disgust because he was so wide open. Anyone else see that?? Hmm... you football experts must know something Chad doesn't.

So with Kitna in you'd say we'd have the same record? Great argument for starting Kitna.

Chad's a competitor. He wants the ball and he wants to win. If you watched the games last year you would've seen Chad acting the same way when Kitna didn't hit him wide open.

And one small note, on the Dolphins game guys, that is a joke. Big Ben threw a TD tonight and moved the ball pretty well on them, beating them by 10 on the road. The Steelers D will hold us in check, mainly due to drunken Brats playcalling (PLEASE RUN THE D@MN BALL). We need a spark. I am just saying, if the game is close, and Palmer is getting ate up, can we at least bring in the relief pitcher to try and pull out the win? The Bungle jokes are slowly resurfacing and it makes me sick

Does the NFL give you an extra win if you beat a team by 10 as opposed to 3 points? No. So who cares how many points the game was won by? The Dolphins are a joke though.

Playing musical QB isn't going to win us any games.

You seem to be the type that is telling the Bungle jokes.

[Brian]

If you yank Palmer out of there now, you only hurt him.. If he in fact is a crappy QB like some think (God only knows why) then it will show and perhaps we pull him in the middle of the season.. But at the first sign of a few bad decisions, you dont just go yankin the guy out. What kinda message is that sending to him and the rest of the team?

Palmer can play.. Just be patient and wait till we start facing some teams that arent quite the defensive powerhouses like Miami and Balt

Its the defense we have to worry about.. Not our QB

[Brian]

Some of you guys are pretty rude.

You come on here as a brand new poster....

You start a thread designed to start a QB controversy....

You ignore the fact that "BashTheBengalsBAX" already had a "smack Palmer" thread of his own started....

You top it off by hanging a f**king smiley on your "dump Palmer" thread....

On further review...

The call stands......TROLL

There is NO QB controversy in Cincinnati.

And even if you post 100 threads on Kitna there still won't be one.

Carson Palmer IS The Bengals QB....

Cant the dude have an opinion???

Although I do disagree as well, as I stated in the other thread.. (Merge time!!)

I dont think he is trolling.. I know plenty of people in Cincy not happy that Palmer is the starter

[hottub]

GREAT POST HOTTUB!!!!!!!

Clearly you are a man of great insight and taste. Welcome aboard!

[San Antonio Bengal]

WEEK 3 RAVENS (23) VS BENGALS (9)

1st downs - 26

Passing - 316 yds

Rushing - 109 yds

Turnovers - 4

Penalties - 5/25

Third Down - 6/15

Possession - 33:12

WEEK 3 (2003) BENGALS (10) VS STEELERS (17)

1st Downs - 11

Passing - 125 yds

Rushing - 57 yds

Turnovers - 1

Penalties - 7/49

Third Down - 3/10

Possession - 22:54

Just some statistics. We've come a long from a year ago. If Kitna were the miraculous quarterback some say he is, why did he have only 125 yds with an interception? If you say that it's an unfair comparison because it was only game three of the Marvin Lewis era, then I say it's unfair to judge Carson in his third game against Kitna at the end of last season. Apples and Oranges. Look at the stats from today... the kid has talent and lots of it. Who before the start of the season would have thought that he'd have over 300 yards passing against the Ravens D in only week three. Carson has the talent... it's just a matter of learning the NFL game and getting the rookie mistakes out of his system.

[cincykent]

Are you guys in love with Carson????? I just think Kitna is better.

Cincinnati has had all those QB busts and when we finally get a guy that proves he can win with this team we bench him.

I don't care that Kitna started 1-4 last year, I care that he finished great.

Some of you guys are pretty rude.

Kitna finished great?? He lost 3 out of his last 4 games. He was terrible in the final at home against the lowly Browns. I guess you forgot his choke right before halftime when he didn't throw the ball away and let the clock run out instead of getting off a field goal. Kitna is not the answer. As long as the run defense is so bad the team is not winning anyway. They might as well let Palmer get experience.

[kitna3perry26]

Some of you guys are right.

Thanks Brian and B24!

I guess I might be partial to Kitna a bit because we had our best season for a long time. We proably should let Palmer develop more.

There is not doubt in my mind though that if Jon leaves after this season he will probaly get a starting job.

GO BENGALS!!!! :player:

[bengals4ever]

Some of you guys are right.

Thanks Brian and B24!

I guess I might be partial to Kitna a bit because we had our best season for a long time. We proably should let Palmer develop more.

There is not doubt in my mind though that if Jon leaves after this season he will probaly get a starting job.

GO BENGALS!!!! :player:

Depends where he goes. He sure won't beat out a Manning or Vick or Hasselbeck. I would venture to say he could not beat out over 1/2 of the starting QBs.

Palmer will be fine. We need to worry about our lines and our whole defense. Tackling was pathetic yesterday. It was embarrasing to watch the tackling yesterday at the stadium.

[jbengals1]

Palmer will be fine. We need to worry about our lines and our whole defense. Tackling was pathetic yesterday. It was embarrasing to watch the tackling yesterday at the stadium.

yes Carson will be fine the growing pains are something he has to go through....

if they only would have wraped up there tackles alot of the runs would have been stoped behind the line - they are acting like the hurt bug might catch them and not taking chances !!!

[kybengalsfan]

Hey, guys, I have been to every one of the games (I'm a season ticket holder) and I can tell you this: our offensive and defensive lines are both too weak to compete against the better ball teams. I am afraid it will be another long year if the offensive line is injured all year; also, the defensive line is absolutely horrible. Fire Frazier; he is supposed to have the talent, but those guys have absolutely no fire. Palmer has been constantly pressured the last two weeks. They need to work on pass protection; if Palmer get the time, he will shred the defenses.

[bengals4ever]

Hey, guys, I have been to every one of the games (I'm a season ticket holder) and I can tell you this: our offensive and defensive lines are both too weak to compete against the better ball teams. I am afraid it will be another long year if the offensive line is injured all year; also, the defensive line is absolutely horrible. Fire Frazier; he is supposed to have the talent, but those guys have absolutely no fire. Palmer has been constantly pressured the last two weeks. They need to work on pass protection; if Palmer get the time, he will shred the defenses.

Exactly! The problem is with the lines. Why does everyone blame the QB when the team loses? Palmer will be fine. Anyone who does not believe that has not been watching the games. Maybe too many beer breaks or something. Even special team tackling was awful yesterday.

[IckeyShuffle]

"I don't care that Kitna started 1-4 last year, I care that he finished great."

are we talking about the same kitna that QB'ed us to a 1-3 finish with a humiliating loss to the pitiful Browns with the playoffs in the waiting with his poor play and INT in the red zone before halftime? Is that finishing great? hardly. be patient, folks. 1-2 is not the end of the world. we have to fix our run defense for sure. we have faced 2 great defenses but we have to be ready to meet those challenges and our OL has to get healthy. Carson is still the choice, let's see how he learns from this debacle.

[Kirkendall]

This thread got started a little early. I figured if the Bengals were 0-8 or something then everyone would be calling for Palmer's head. Let's look at this for a second; this is ONLY Palmer's third start. While his maturity level suggests otherwise, he's still a rookie in terms of playing time. He's going to have games like this, we all expected that. If there is any way to destroy a young man's confidence, it's pulling him out when he was forced to throw 52 TIMES to combat the lopsided defensive struggle.

This is Carson's team now, let him go through this or he'll never learn and expect to have someone like Kitna bail him out. Trust me, I know; I was a big Kitna-supporter, but that era in Bengals football is over and even I acknowledge that.

If this is still happening 2 years from now, then perhaps we can call for Palmer's head, otherwise let's let the struggle continue for the greats had the same problems when they were Palmer's age and had no choice but to play through it. Afterall, did we really expect MVP type numbers already! Those expectations are sure fire methods for disappointment and pessimism.

[Kirkendall]

Who before the start of the season would have thought that he'd have over 300 yards passing against the Ravens D in only week three.

He better have 300 yards on 52 passing attempts!

it's just a matter of learning the NFL game and getting the rookie mistakes out of his system.

Yeap!

[kitna3perry26]

I will refrase that. He will go to a team that needs a QB to start. Maybe Arizona if Mcown dosen't work out. Maybe to Miami. I hope he stays here but he probaly wants a starting job. It's just great to know you have a over average quility QB to backup Palmer.

[kitna3perry26]

Ickey,

Maybe he didn't finish a couple of those last games great but without Kitna's great play overall through the season we wouldn't have been in a position to get into the playoffs at all. We still had our best season since Jeff Blake was at the helm.

Where is Jeff now anyway? Didn't he get realeased by Arizona?

[kybengalsfan]

I know this sounds a little too basic, but both sides of the line need more strength; it is obvious on the defense with the way they are being blown away or to tackle. The runners for Baltimore seemed to be made of iron, the way they ran so easily thru the Bengal's line. The offensive line's inability to pass defend was pitiful. I can't remember a time yesterday when Palmer wasn't pressured. Same with the Dolphins game. Poor Dolphins, they might go 0-16.

Sad thsy we now have the boo birds wanting to bench Palmer for Kitna. All I heard last year was everyone wanting Kitna on the bench. We have some very fickle fans. Palmer will be right up there in the top 5 of NFL passes within three years. He will also get better with each game. Pittsburg will find out Sunday. At this point I'm not predicting a victory; with our injuries and weak defense, I honestly do not feel good about our chances to go beyond 8-8 this season.

[membengal]

Wait! I am confused. Did Kitna bulk up to 330 pounds and is a candidate to play as a run-stoping defensive tackle? If so, then, by all means, play him.

Otherwise, we will be taking our lumps with Carson, thank you. Yes, I screamed at the TV "Stop floating balls over the middle" when he tossed those two bad picks to Reed, but I also note that Palmer kept pushing the Bengals down the field and making plays with Ravens in his face all day. This team missed Warrick badly in the red zone by the way.

The reason this team is 1-2 is because they are not tackling for s**t. Put someone on the ground with some violence for god's sake. Tackle like you mean it. Give the team a chance.

When they pulled within 8, the end of that game should have been meaningful, I cannot begin to comprehend how they allow a 75-yard touchdown run there. It defies belief.

None of that changes in Kitna is in. None of it.

Carson has to play this year, and the defense has to be better. That's pretty much it.

[membengal]

Since there are two thread on exacltly the same topic, I am going the paste route with my response in each:

Wait! I am confused. Did Kitna bulk up to 330 pounds and is a candidate to play as a run-stoping defensive tackle? If so, then, by all means, play him.

Otherwise, we will be taking our lumps with Carson, thank you. Yes, I screamed at the TV "Stop floating balls over the middle" when he tossed those two bad picks to Reed, but I also note that Palmer kept pushing the Bengals down the field and making plays with Ravens in his face all day. This team missed Warrick badly in the red zone by the way.

The reason this team is 1-2 is because they are not tackling for s**t. Put someone on the ground with some violence for god's sake. Tackle like you mean it. Give the team a chance.

When they pulled within 8, the end of that game should have been meaningful, I cannot begin to comprehend how they allow a 75-yard touchdown run there. It defies belief.

None of that changes if Kitna is in. None of it.

Carson has to play this year, and the defense has to be better. That's pretty much it.

[smith288]

What a gay thread.... Kitna was ok, but Palmer can potentially be a superstar with some time and experience...

Ugh.

[WhoDey42]

I feel like an idiot for even replying to this post...

Bax, why don't you do us all a favor and stop posting stupid messages that make no sense. Kitna wouldn't have done any better, maybe even worse, than Carson did. The line wasn't blocking. Even though Carson did get sacked a lot, he also got away from some sacks, which Kitna probably wouldn't be able to do as much as Carson. Carson move around better than Kitna.

You can't take him out now and expect him to get any better. He can practice all year, but he won't get any game experince if you take him out every time he makes a mistake.

The main reason we lost was because our defense couldn't tackle.

[BengalPappaw]

Attention all you late "Bandwagon Bengal" fans -- a rookie quarterback takes time to develop. AND Carson Palmer is developing faster than most other rookie quarterbacks.

Yes, he will make mistakes -- but he is completing throws that Kitna could not even dream of. Kitna is a very valuable backup and should stay as a back up while Carson develops.

Its not going to be a 10-6 season. You "Bandwagon Bengal" fans have your expectation too high and you jump on and off that bandwagon too quickly. I believe this is going to be a good team, but the Bengals still needs more talent to be a great team.

I too am more frustrated by the poor tackling -- tackling is fundamental and I trust(ed) Marvin to fix that. There were several big plays that would have been little or no gain with good tackling.

GO BENGALS!!!!!

:player:

[Kirkendall]

I will refrase that. He will go to a team that needs a QB to start. Maybe Arizona if Mcown dosen't work out. Maybe to Miami. I hope he stays here but he probaly wants a starting job. It's just great to know you have a over average quility QB to backup Palmer.

Kitna had his chance and decided to sign on through 2005.

Maybe he didn't finish a couple of those last games great but without Kitna's great play overall through the season we wouldn't have been in a position to get into the playoffs at all. We still had our best season since Jeff Blake was at the helm.

Man, I was a huge Kitna supporter. I was one of the opposing voices in this forum when it was announced Carson was taking over. But it's time to allow Carson to take his bumps and bruises so this team can worry about what to do with the defense instead of a phantom QB controversy (that's all we need).

BTW - if I haven't said so already, welcome to the board.

[BengalBobNC]

It is Palmer's time...and we will have to be patient through the bad games. As hard as that will be because we've been losing for so long. He still threw for over 300 yards. Mistakes hurt, always will, but our defense again didn't help much.

I didn't see the game and only caught a few highlights (was traveling that day). Mainly highlights of Ravens making the Bengals defense look completely inept at tackling.

We are 1-2. We could easily be 2-1 if the Bengal defense showed up for the Jets game.

The present and future is Palmer. He needs experience, that's all.

We now have two tough road games separated by a bye week.

Go Bengals!!!!

[kitna3perry26]

There is one thing I know for sure and that is that Kitna can scramble pretty damn good. Carson will be a better runner with age but everytime he has a lane that Kitna would go for ten yards on he throws it away or makes a bad pass. Again I say Carson will learn to run with more experiance.