Who's next in the HOF for the Bengals?

[jjakq27]

Watching John Elway's induction yesterday made me wonder who might be the next Bengal inductee in the HOF. I know this topic has been debated here before but it made me think about Boomer and how he stacks up against Elway.

Later last night there was a show on Fox about the best QBs of the 1980's. They had Boomer ranked 7th.

I am going to list them as best as I can remember. I don't know if I have them in exact order but I think these are the 10. Montana (#1), Marino (#2), Elway, Moon, Fouts, Thiesman, Boomer, Simms, Cunningham, Kosar.

One interesting omission was Jim Kelly. I know his best days were in the 90's but I guess I remember him playing the Bengals in the AFC Championship game in 1989. Plus he had been around since the mid-80's.

[Barbarian]

Watching John Elway's induction yesterday made me wonder who might be the next Bengal inductee in the HOF. I know this topic has been debated here before but it made me think about Boomer and how he stacks up against Elway.

Later last night there was a show on Fox about the best QBs of the 1980's. They had Boomer ranked 7th.

I am going to list them as best as I can remember. I don't know if I have them in exact order but I think these are the 10. Montana (#1), Marino (#2), Elway, Moon, Fouts, Thiesman, Boomer, Simms, Cunningham, Kosar.

One interesting omission was Jim Kelly. I know his best days were in the 90's but I guess I remember him playing the Bengals in the AFC Championship game in 1989. Plus he had been around since the mid-80's.

Jim Kelly also started his career in the USFL. So yes, he's an 80s QB. Also, I would have to flip-flop Marino and Montana. There's a reason why Marino has 60,000 yards passing.

I hate to break this to you, but Boomer wasn't even the best BUNGLE QB EVER!!! That honor would go to Ken Anderson.

I hate to break this to you too--but neither of those guys are going to the Hall of Fame. Boomer had more INTs than TDs.

One of the only QBs to throw for more INTs than TDs and still make the Hall of Fame was Joe "I wanna kisssssss you!!!" Namath--and I don't even think HE deserved it!!! His numbers are terrible for a HOF QB. It was Drunk on Broadway Joe's attitude and aura that got him there.

Since neither Anderson or Boomer had the debonair that Drunken Joe had--they aren't going HOF.

The Bungles player that has the best shot at the Hall of Fame right now:

Chad Johnson

I know this may break some of you guys hearts, but I believe that if Corey Dillon breaks the 10,000 yard barrier--he may go to the HOF too. Just for that extraordinary game he put up against the Broncos a few years back alone. Yep, the one he ran for 270-something.

[wookie]

I agree that Boomer and Anderson will have a hard time getting into the HOF, they'll probably have to get there the way the rest of us do.

Ok, I'm not sure how the numbers stack up, but I would like to think that Jim Breech may have a shot and maybe David Fulcher. I don't know...I was trying to think of someone.

As far as active players go...I think Big Willie, Chad Johnson, and Corey Dillon have the best shot at going. Dillon not just for breaking the Single Game Rushing Record, but for breaking the Rookie Single Game Rushing Record, gaining 1000yds a season in each of his first 6 seasons, and if he can continue his success and get a ring with the Patriots I say he goes, but I doubt he would choose to go as a Bengal.

Namath got there not just because of attitude, but because of the Super Bowl guarentee and victory over the Colts.

Kelly is already in the Hall, he started in the USFL and had his best seasons in the 90's which was most likely why he was left out of that list...and Kosar had to be there just cause they needed a 10th. The man had more nose than talent.

[The Brew Man]

The Bungles player that has the best shot at the Hall of Fame right now:

Chad Johnson

I know this may break some of you guys hearts, but I believe that if Corey Dillon breaks the 10,000 yard barrier--he may go to the HOF too. Just for that extraordinary game he put up against the Broncos a few years back alone. Yep, the one he ran for 270-something.

Thats hard to swallow, but oh so true.....

[jjakq27]

Speaking of Namath, here is an interesting stat. After Super Bowl 3, he never beat a team with a winning record. But I guess you get more than enough pub when you play in NY and are a larger than life figure.

[jjakq27]

Watching John Elway's induction yesterday made me wonder who might be the next Bengal inductee in the HOF.  I know this topic has been debated here before but it made me think about Boomer and how he stacks up against Elway.

Later last night there was a show on Fox about the best QBs of the 1980's.  They had Boomer ranked 7th.

I am going to list them as best as I can remember.  I don't know if I have them in exact order but I think these are the 10.  Montana (#1), Marino (#2), Elway, Moon, Fouts, Thiesman, Boomer, Simms, Cunningham, Kosar.

One interesting omission was Jim Kelly.  I know his best days were in the 90's but I guess I remember him playing the Bengals in the AFC Championship game in 1989.  Plus he had been around since the mid-80's.

Jim Kelly also started his career in the USFL. So yes, he's an 80s QB. Also, I would have to flip-flop Marino and Montana. There's a reason why Marino has 60,000 yards passing.

I hate to break this to you, but Boomer wasn't even the best BUNGLE QB EVER!!! That honor would go to Ken Anderson.

I hate to break this to you too--but neither of those guys are going to the Hall of Fame. Boomer had more INTs than TDs.

One of the only QBs to throw for more INTs than TDs and still make the Hall of Fame was Joe "I wanna kisssssss you!!!" Namath--and I don't even think HE deserved it!!! His numbers are terrible for a HOF QB. It was Drunk on Broadway Joe's attitude and aura that got him there.

Since neither Anderson or Boomer had the debonair that Drunken Joe had--they aren't going HOF.

The Bungles player that has the best shot at the Hall of Fame right now:

Chad Johnson

I know this may break some of you guys hearts, but I believe that if Corey Dillon breaks the 10,000 yard barrier--he may go to the HOF too. Just for that extraordinary game he put up against the Broncos a few years back alone. Yep, the one he ran for 270-something.

They valued Montana's 4 Super Bowls over Marino 55,000 yards passing.

Also, I agree with you on Kenny over Boomer which has been debated here countless times. Had Kenny had better success in the late 70's, I believe that he would have had over 40,000 yards and that alone would have gotten him in.

As far as the current guys, I think Chad has the personality, talent and the exposure to be considered in the elite of WR's in the NFL.

However, the common thread among most of the HOFers is that their teams were consistently in the playoffs and they were also able to win the Super Bowl. Until we reach that level, our players will always have a difficult time getting in.

[R-U-D-I]

I saw an artilcle the other day that listed potential HOF players from each team, might have been Pete Prisco... He listed one player from the Bengals....

Eric Steinbaugh

[Barbarian]

I agree that Boomer and Anderson will have a hard time getting into the HOF, they'll probably have to get there the way the rest of us do.

Ok, I'm not sure how the numbers stack up, but I would like to think that Jim Breech may have a shot and maybe David Fulcher. I don't know...I was trying to think of someone.

As far as active players go...I think Big Willie, Chad Johnson, and Corey Dillon have the best shot at going. Dillon not just for breaking the Single Game Rushing Record, but for breaking the Rookie Single Game Rushing Record, gaining 1000yds a season in each of his first 6 seasons, and if he can continue his success and get a ring with the Patriots I say he goes, but I doubt he would choose to go as a Bengal.

Namath got there not just because of attitude, but because of the Super Bowl guarentee and victory over the Colts.

Kelly is already in the Hall, he started in the USFL and had his best seasons in the 90's which was most likely why he was left out of that list...and Kosar had to be there just cause they needed a 10th. The man had more nose than talent.

Jim Breech and David Fulcher??? Are you serious??? If a kicker goes in, he has to have an astronomical career like Gary Anderson.

I think Jason Elam may be considered (maybe because he kicked a 60-something yard FG once). But Jim Breech??? Uh, no.

David Fulcher, for his career, was an above average player. He was a real bonecrusher in his prime--BUT A HOF PLAYER??? Uh, no. Jack Tatum he was not. Ronnie Lott he was not. In fact, David Fulcher wasn't even near the same category as these players.

Willie Anderson will NOT make the Hall either. Players that are known for taking plays off will not be considered. Plus, playing for losing teams thoughout his career also hurts his chances. If you want an example of players that might have been considered that weren't for this same reason, see ARCHIE MANNING.

I still can't believe that Namath was considered for the Hall. That just makes me sick that just because of his New Yorker Attitude, that he made it.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Speaking of Namath, here is an interesting stat. After Super Bowl 3, he never beat a team with a winning record. But I guess you get more than enough pub when you play in NY and are a larger than life figure.

Well with that being said, I wonder if his induction had something to do with how good he looked in pantyhose, if anyone here is old enough to remember that commercial!

[El dubaya]

Boomer had 247 tds and 184 ints. not even close

[richmond_mat]

Isaac Curtis desreves consideration

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1973 cin | 14 | 2 -11 -5.5 0 | 45 843 18.7 9 |

| 1974 cin | 14 | 8 62 7.8 0 | 30 633 21.1 10 |

| 1975 cin | 14 | 6 -9 -1.5 0 | 44 934 21.2 7 |

| 1976 cin | 14 | 3 29 9.7 0 | 41 766 18.7 6 |

| 1977 cin | 8 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 20 338 16.9 2 |

| 1978 cin | 16 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 47 737 15.7 3 |

| 1979 cin | 16 | 2 -11 -5.5 0 | 32 605 18.9 8 |

| 1980 cin | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 43 610 14.2 3 |

| 1981 cin | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 37 609 16.5 2 |

| 1982 cin | 9 | 3 15 5.0 0 | 23 320 13.9 1 |

| 1983 cin | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 42 571 13.6 2 |

| 1984 cin | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 12 135 11.2 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 167 | 25 76 3.0 0 | 416 7101 17.1 53 |

He lacks 1,000 yard seasons, but it was an era that few receivers had those numbers.

Lynn Swann for example

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1974 pit | 11 | 1 14 14.0 0 | 11 208 18.9 2 |

| 1975 pit | 14 | 3 13 4.3 0 | 49 781 15.9 11 |

| 1976 pit | 12 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 28 516 18.4 3 |

| 1977 pit | 14 | 2 6 3.0 0 | 50 789 15.8 7 |

| 1978 pit | 16 | 1 7 7.0 0 | 61 880 14.4 11 |

| 1979 pit | 13 | 1 9 9.0 1 | 41 808 19.7 5 |

| 1980 pit | 13 | 1 -4 -4.0 0 | 44 710 16.1 7 |

| 1981 pit | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 34 505 14.9 5 |

| 1982 pit | 9 | 1 25 25.0 0 | 18 265 14.7 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 115 | 11 72 6.5 1 | 336 5462 16.3 51 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Charlie Joiner had dan fouts throwing to him

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1969 hou | 7 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 7 77 11.0 0 |

| 1970 hou | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 28 416 14.9 3 |

| 1971 hou | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 31 681 22.0 7 |

| 1972 cin | 6 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 8 133 16.6 0 |

| 1972 hou | 6 | 2 12 6.0 0 | 16 306 19.1 2 |

| 1973 cin | 5 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 13 214 16.5 0 |

| 1974 cin | 14 | 4 20 5.0 0 | 24 390 16.2 1 |

| 1975 cin | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 37 726 19.6 5 |

| 1976 sdg | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 50 1056 21.1 7 |

| 1977 sdg | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 35 542 15.5 6 |

| 1978 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 33 607 18.4 1 |

| 1979 sdg | 16 | 1 -12 -12.0 0 | 72 1008 14.0 4 |

| 1980 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 71 1132 15.9 4 |

| 1981 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 70 1188 17.0 7 |

| 1982 sdg | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 36 545 15.1 0 |

| 1983 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 65 960 14.8 3 |

| 1984 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 61 793 13.0 6 |

| 1985 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 59 932 15.8 7 |

| 1986 sdg | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 34 440 12.9 2 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 239 | 8 22 2.8 0 | 750 12146 16.2 65 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Charlie turner of the 'skins

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1964 was | 14 | 199 755 3.8 5 | 53 814 15.4 5 |

| 1965 was | 13 | 145 402 2.8 3 | 40 577 14.4 3 |

| 1966 was | 14 | 87 262 3.0 3 | 72 1119 15.5 12 |

| 1967 was | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 70 990 14.1 9 |

| 1968 was | 14 | 2 -3 -1.5 0 | 48 650 13.5 5 |

| 1969 was | 14 | 3 24 8.0 0 | 71 883 12.4 8 |

| 1970 was | 10 | 1 17 17.0 0 | 42 593 14.1 8 |

| 1971 was | 6 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 24 370 15.4 4 |

| 1972 was | 14 | 3 39 13.0 0 | 49 673 13.7 7 |

| 1973 was | 14 | 1 -7 -7.0 0 | 59 801 13.6 7 |

| 1974 was | 14 | 1 -1 -1.0 0 | 54 738 13.7 5 |

| 1975 was | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 53 744 14.0 6 |

| 1977 was | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 14 158 11.3 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 165 | 442 1488 3.4 11 | 649 9110 14.0 79 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

It all comes down to winning championships which the franchise has never done

[wookie]

Jim Breech and David Fulcher??? Are you serious???

Like I said, I was just trying to think of someone...and I don't go back much past the 1st Bengals Super Bowl appearance, and I was so young, and not living in Cincy, that my memory doesn't do me justice, so I had to go by players I remembered.

Willie Anderson will NOT make the Hall either.  Players that are known for taking plays off will not be considered.  Plus, playing for losing teams thoughout his career also hurts his chances.

Willie has taken plays off?? I don't recall that, and if he finishes his career in Cincy and they do well under Lewis I think he has a shot. Especially if he gets into the Pro Bowl a few more times...players all over the league respect what he does on the field and say he was over-due for the recognition.

If you want an example of players that might have been considered that weren't for this same reason, see ARCHIE MANNING.

Excellent point.

[kevnz]

Boomer won't make the HOF...I mean Ken Anderson should be in the hall, but not Boomer. Maybe had he won a Super Bowl (DAMN THE 49ers TO HELL ) he might be considered, but his career stats aren't all that.

Current/Recent Bengals Chad has the chance, Dillon if he can add to his numbers. I also agree with Dr Z at SI about Eric Steinbach. I mean he's a rookie that earned serious consideration for the probowl and I fully expect him to be there at the end of this season. But it's gonna be hard cause Guard isn't very glamourous, plus the hof voters have shown a serious bias about players on losing teams and not having a championship so him and Chad need to get to work and make sure both of those things change. Plus you have to factor in the fact that Cincinnati is a very small market so the players get little exposure on the national scene. Had Ken Anderson put up his numbers for a NY team he'd have been in the Hall.