Marvin Lewis and team show no urgency

[cHaD711Johnson]

LOL. We had great talent assembled in the past with flat out idiots. Some who were not reliable, accountable, and others who cared more about their individual prospects than the teams. Is part of that on the coach? Yes. Are there other teams out there who wouldn't touch some of the guys who we have brought in with hopes of winning? An even more resounding yes. My question for you is, why are you making this assumption that no one is saying anything to guys who are messing up during the games? That's a pretty baseless claim that you are making there.

I really don't know what leads you to believe that I have an agenda against you. Like I said, I don't know who you are, nor can I recall what other threads you are even accusing me of responding against you in. I also haven't been anything but civil on this board so that is another silly accusation. Have tougher skin. Everyone isn't going to agree with everything you say. You said that you're an old fart right? You should've learned that by now. I'm allowed to have a different opinion. I'm all for Mike Brown making a different hire if it will be a good one, and I'm not all that sure that he will make a good one after Marvin. The guy took over this job when the organization was literally THE laughing stock of the league. I said that he hasn't gotten this team over the hump,clearly. He rescued us Cincinnatians from blacked out games every week and paper bags over fans heads in the crowd.

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LOL. We had great talent assembled in the past with flat out idiots. Some who were not reliable, accountable, and others who cared more about their individual prospects than the teams. Is part of that on the coach? Yes. Are there other teams out there who wouldn't touch some of the guys who we have brought in with hopes of winning? An even more resounding yes. My question for you is, why are you making this assumption that no one is saying anything to guys who are messing up during the games? That's a pretty baseless claim that you are making there.

I really don't know what leads you to believe that I have an agenda against you. Like I said, I don't know who you are, nor can I recall what other threads you are even accusing me of responding against you in. I also haven't been anything but civil on this board so that is another silly accusation. Have tougher skin. Everyone isn't going to agree with everything you say. You said that you're an old fart right? You should've learned that by now. I'm allowed to have a different opinion. I'm all for Mike Brown making a different hire if it will be a good one, and I'm not all that sure that he will make a good one after Marvin. The guy took over this job when the organization was literally THE laughing stock of the league. I said that he hasn't gotten this team over the hump,clearly. He rescued us Cincinnatians from blacked out games every week and paper bags over fans heads in the crowd.

Oh this is from long ago before you changed your name. I don't know if you even remember who I am I have been gone a year and a half.

Look if Marvin was pulling people into his office we would know. The media can tell you if a cock roach farted in the showers. We hear about every team from the Jets to the Seahawks to the Cowboys, what's going on in the locker room, the owners box, and the coaches office. You don't think it's a bit odd we barely hear s**t from Cincinnati? We get the same old "Marvinisms." "We need to play better," No s**t? ""The leaders on this team need to step up." Who are the leaders Marvin? What are they doing wrong? "We need to finish what we started." What did you start Marvin? I see different s**t every week. What are you really trying to do?

Do you get my point yet? Marvin talks to fans like we are damn idiots, yet he ignores the mistakes the players make on the field, and continues to practice some kind of meditation or unconventional yoga position standing up with his arms folded. It cracks me up every time during games the camera goes on Marvin and he is doing the same thing EVERY time.

The Bengals need a coach that will instill discipline and get in someone's ass when they need it. Marvin's not the guy, give me Bill Cowher, and when the Bengals beat the Steelers I will laugh for a week.

[cHaD711Johnson]

Whether you have been gone or not, I really don't think about this board enough where I would even remember going at you in posts. I come here simply to post my opinions about the team, and that's it.

As much as the media has changed, and as invasive as they are in 2012, I still don't agree that we are privy to everything that goes on with the team. I don't think that we know everything that Marvin does,etc. Stuff like how he talks to the fans doesn't bother me, and I don't agree that he ignores mistakes made by players on the field. I take Marvin's coach speak for what it is. We can just agree to disagree. The likelihood of Bill Cowher coming to coach this team is 0% so you can tuck that pipe dream away. I agree that Marvin's time should be up. However, I am also appreciative of what he's done here, especially given the constraints and awful results through the 90s to early 2000s.

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Well the coaching list is going to include Zimmer, Jay Gruden, John Gruden, Bill Cowher, Hue Jackson (Who does have some fire, I mean he did take a punch from Chad right?), Ken Zampese, Josh McDaniels ( Maybe?), and I can't really think of any college guy sthat would be on their radar. Chip Kelly? I doubt he would come to Cincinnati. Saban is a god in Alabama, and Les Miles could kill a 1,000 people in Louisiana and they wouldn't do anything to him. Don't even think about Urban Meyer, now that is a pipe dream.

[ArmyBengal]

My two cents:

I could care less how much fire a coach has. Fire does not and has not always been an indicator of success.

Maybe that is the type of person you yourself are motivated by, but either way, there is no one type of leader.

Anyone who truly thinks they know what happens behind the doors of PBS is fooling themselves unless you have inside information.

The media is not an indicator of anything. If you believe so, then fine, I simply disagree.

I have seen nothing in the arguments here giving proof, so I would suggest coming up with something more than another opinion.

As for people going at other people here, might I suggest something here and say:

Posting opinions is not a competition to see who wins and who loses.

If that's what someone is looking for, go somewhere else.

If someone disagrees with your opinion, don't take it so personal.

Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you.

Get over it.

[cHaD711Johnson]

I'm just curious, why the hell do you think Bill Cowher would want to coach here? That would assume that Mike Brown is willing to pay big money for a head coach, and that Cowher is willing to forgo potential oppenings in places like Philly, Dallas, etc.

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My two cents:

I could care less how much fire a coach has. Fire does not and has not always been an indicator of success.

Maybe that is the type of person you yourself are motivated by, but either way, there is no one type of leader.

Anyone who truly thinks they know what happens behind the doors of PBS is fooling themselves unless you have inside information.

The media is not an indicator of anything. If you believe so, then fine, I simply disagree.

I have seen nothing in the arguments here giving proof, so I would suggest coming up with something more than another opinion.

As for people going at other people here, might I suggest something here and say:

Posting opinions is not a competition to see who wins and who loses.

If that's what someone is looking for, go somewhere else.

If someone disagrees with your opinion, don't take it so personal.

Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you.

Get over it.

I'm not taking it personal, in fact the only reason I'm pointing it out is for his benefit. Just because he might not like me personally doesn't mean he can't learn from some of the information I give. I would tell you guys something but you would just tell me I'm full of s**t so it would be a waste of time. Let's just say I know more than you think I know and leave it at that. You guys don't know some of the things that has gone on while I was gone. So just try to be open minded on some of the things I say. If you wait long enough you might catch on.

[ArmyBengal]

I'm just curious, why the hell do you think Bill Cowher would want to coach here? That would assume that Mike Brown is willing to pay big money for a head coach, and that Cowher is willing to forgo potential oppenings in places like Philly, Dallas, etc.

Bill Cowher in Cincinnati is about as likely as Santa Claus coaching here.

Not happening. Wouldn't want him either.

[cincyhokie]

My two cents:

I could care less how much fire a coach has. Fire does not and has not always been an indicator of success.

Maybe that is the type of person you yourself are motivated by, but either way, there is no one type of leader.

Anyone who truly thinks they know what happens behind the doors of PBS is fooling themselves unless you have inside information.

The media is not an indicator of anything. If you believe so, then fine, I simply disagree.

I have seen nothing in the arguments here giving proof, so I would suggest coming up with something more than another opinion.

As for people going at other people here, might I suggest something here and say:

Posting opinions is not a competition to see who wins and who loses.

If that's what someone is looking for, go somewhere else.

If someone disagrees with your opinion, don't take it so personal.

Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you.

Get over it.

+1

Thank you. Probably my least favorite of things is to wade through 6 pages of arbitrary opinions and arguing. Not that I'm not guilty of having done it in the past. It's annoying, none the less.

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I'm just curious, why the hell do you think Bill Cowher would want to coach here? That would assume that Mike Brown is willing to pay big money for a head coach, and that Cowher is willing to forgo potential oppenings in places like Philly, Dallas, etc.

Bill Cowher in Cincinnati is about as likely as Santa Claus coaching here.

Not happening. Wouldn't want him either.

He actually talked about it on television once, and he said he loves Ohio.

Kind of funny a guy on Bleacher Report wrote a big article on Cowher in Cincinnati.

Cowher to Cincinnait?

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Another Cowher article, this one is even better!

Hell yeah!

[cHaD711Johnson]

Bleacher Report, ahh the bane of internet journalism. Very reputable.

And I agree, I'm solely here to voice my opinions on this team. I don't want to do silly bickering with guys over the internet, and I usually skip over that stuff here in other threads.

BallBreaker is going to tell us that he was on Steve Wyche's staff, I'm sure. Now it all makes sense. With a name like BallBreaker, you certainly shouldn't be so sensitive towards dissenting opinions. I'm surely not targeting you, and I can hardly remember anyone on this board's names outside of guys who were here back when I started posting.

[cHaD711Johnson]

I know, I know, Cowher would never come to Cincinnati, but you can bet the ranch that the Bengals would be a better team with him.

You post an article that ends with this line. Please, for your own sake do not reference Bleacher Report as a source of reliable information.

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Bleacher Report, ahh the bane of internet journalism. Very reputable.

And I agree, I'm solely here to voice my opinions on this team. I don't want to do silly bickering with guys over the internet, and I usually skip over that stuff here in other threads.

BallBreaker is going to tell us that he was on Steve Wyche's staff, I'm sure. Now it all makes sense. With a name like BallBreaker, you certainly shouldn't be so sensitive towards dissenting opinions. I'm surely not targeting you, and I can hardly remember anyone on this board's names outside of guys who were here back when I started posting.

Nope nothing to do with Steve Wyche.

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I know, I know, Cowher would never come to Cincinnati, but you can bet the ranch that the Bengals would be a better team with him.

You post an article that ends with this line. :lmao:/> Please, for your own sake do not reference Bleacher Report as a source of reliable information.

I posted them because they are more funny than anything else. If you do a search about Cohwer and the Bengals you get mish mash of crap that doesn't really talk about it. Most just basically say that Cowher doesn't want to go to a team that is rebuilding. I wouldn't say the Bengals are rebuilding at this point, I think they are more retooling in order to put the right pieces in the right spots to go deep into the playoffs.

[ArmyBengal]

So were posting articles about something that could happen, but everyone knows won't and said article confirms.

I would ask all to reread my last post.

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So were posting articles about something that could happen, but everyone knows won't and said article confirms.

I would ask all to reread my last post.

I posted two articles, one that said most definitely he wouldn't come, and the other one was a positive article. You have to take into account both were written before the changes that were made this year. Mike Brown hired more scouts and relinquished some of the personnel duties to Marvin. Mike Brown is changing, that could be a big factor.

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I changed my name because no one understood what it was from. It was from "Porkeys" where they used to call the female Phys Ed teacher Mrs. Ballbreaker. I am now GutWrench.

I was cleaning up some stuff just now and found the picture of me as a kid with Ken Anderson at the Perkins or Dennys in Middletown. My dad heard that Ken Anderson ate breakfast there like every Sunday so we went there to meet him. The Perkins or Dennys isn't there anymore I don't think. The guy my dad worked with at St. Regis Paper that changed to Miami Valley Paper in Middletown and one of his co-workers was Jim Brown (?) I'm having a brain fart. He was the Bengals number 1 fan and went to every game home and away for so long he ended up flying with the team, and now works for the team. Marvin had him lead the team in a Who-Dey chant after they clinched a playoff spot. I can't believe I can't remember his name. Oldschooler told me he worked there with his day and knew the guy too. He gave Oldschooler some secret info like Palmer didn't want to leav, it was his wife that hated Ohio.

[HoosierCat]

Not sure why anyone would say Marvin doesn't have any "fire." We all remember the "this is your team, find a way to fix it" speech from hard Knocks, right? I'm sure he does his share of getting on players.

IMHO, Marvin's issue is that the name "Mediocre Marv" suits him quite well. Most people use it to refer to his W/L record but that's not what I mean. What I mean is that Lewis isn't a bad coach, but he doesn't excel anywhere, either. He doesn't scheme up killer game plans, he's not a wily in-game manager, he doesn't have a weather eye for talent, he's not a world-class player developer, etc. He can do these things, but he's mostly average.

Marvin is a plodder. He's that 30-year company man/career military type who has never done anything special but works hard, keeps his head down and doesn't complain. His work is occasionally brilliant enough that you don't want to let him go, but equally occasionally sub-par enough that you are wary of trusting him with The Big Project. But 80% of the time you can count on him to plug away at his job and you really don't have to give him too much thought.

He's done a good job here, but he isn't the guy to take the team to the next level. The problem is, that guy would cost Mike Brown more money and more control than he's ever been willing to give up.

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It's funny to listen to people agree with me but at the same time try to keep themselves separate from me.

How does a coach have the same problems for 10 years without fixing it? That's the question I have.

[volcom69]

Come on guys did you just see the whopping they put on New York, the Super Bowl champs? That just earned Marvin another 2 years!

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Come on guys did you just see the whopping they put on New York, the Super Bowl champs? That just earned Marvin another 2 years!

He had another 2 years before that. The reason the Bengals whipped the Giants is because for some reason the real Zimmer showed up and called the formations. I'm starting to think that maybe Marvin and Zimmer might be having creative differences about the defense...just throwing that out there. It wouldn't be the first time right? Where's Leslie Frazier? Frazier gave the Bengals a top 10 defense and got fired, wtf? Don't be surprised to see Zimmer go after this year either to another team as a defensive coordinator or a head coach. Zimmer in Kansas City...he'll make Tamba Hali and Eric Berry into Hall of Famers. About the only thing Marvin did as a head coach Sunday, was monitor the Gatorade fridge to make sure no one was stealing any.

[cincyhokie]

Not sure why anyone would say Marvin doesn't have any "fire." We all remember the "this is your team, find a way to fix it" speech from hard Knocks, right? I'm sure he does his share of getting on players.

IMHO, Marvin's issue is that the name "Mediocre Marv" suits him quite well. Most people use it to refer to his W/L record but that's not what I mean. What I mean is that Lewis isn't a bad coach, but he doesn't excel anywhere, either. He doesn't scheme up killer game plans, he's not a wily in-game manager, he doesn't have a weather eye for talent, he's not a world-class player developer, etc. He can do these things, but he's mostly average.

Marvin is a plodder. He's that 30-year company man/career military type who has never done anything special but works hard, keeps his head down and doesn't complain. His work is occasionally brilliant enough that you don't want to let him go, but equally occasionally sub-par enough that you are wary of trusting him with The Big Project. But 80% of the time you can count on him to plug away at his job and you really don't have to give him too much thought.

He's done a good job here, but he isn't the guy to take the team to the next level. The problem is, that guy would cost Mike Brown more money and more control than he's ever been willing to give up.

Brilliant.

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Not sure why anyone would say Marvin doesn't have any "fire." We all remember the "this is your team, find a way to fix it" speech from hard Knocks, right? I'm sure he does his share of getting on players.

You mean the cameras were running and they were filming something for everyone to see? No way he yelled and did a speech? Did he mention the Gipper? Did he put flubber on all their shoes? Come on man! He was playing to the audience. Do you REALLY think that Lippicott really cuts players the way he did? They were playing for the show.

Hoosier you are smarter than that!

[skyline]

Not sure why anyone would say Marvin doesn't have any "fire." We all remember the "this is your team, find a way to fix it" speech from hard Knocks, right? I'm sure he does his share of getting on players.

You mean the cameras were running and they were filming something for everyone to see? No way he yelled and did a speech? Did he mention the Gipper? Did he put flubber on all their shoes? Come on man! He was playing to the audience. Do you REALLY think that Lippicott really cuts players the way he did? They were playing for the show.

Hoosier you are smarter than that!

I'm sure he was conscious of the cameras during that speech, but how is this proof that he doesn't talk like that to his team any other time? But, I suppose proof and logic are unnecessary when they don't jive with your opinions.

I would be more suspicious of the content of the speech being influenced by the cameras as opposed to the method of delivery. As a coach myself, I'll say that I'm far more reserved and careful of my words when I know people are watching. It's when I'm alone with my guys that I feel comfortable to really say what's on my mind. However, the WAY I address my team never changes.