Marvin Lewis and team show no urgency

[ArmyBengal]

Everytime I watch Herm Edwards take on a discussion on ESPN, I wish Marvin Lewis had his desire and flare. He is able to communicate well and instill feeling into what he says. I would take Herm Edwards as the next coach of the Cincinnati Bengals in a heartbeat.

Well his record as a coach is equally crappy with the exception of actually winning 2 playoff games.

Not sure how much of his desire and flare produce winning teams, as it only happened 4 times in his 8 years as coach.

Can't say as I would be any more excited...

Let Herm Edwards coach this team and things would get done that Marvin w2ould never step up and do.

In this scenario we still have the same front office right ??

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Everytime I watch Herm Edwards take on a discussion on ESPN, I wish Marvin Lewis had his desire and flare. He is able to communicate well and instill feeling into what he says. I would take Herm Edwards as the next coach of the Cincinnati Bengals in a heartbeat.

Well his record as a coach is equally crappy with the exception of actually winning 2 playoff games.

Not sure how much of his desire and flare produce winning teams, as it only happened 4 times in his 8 years as coach.

Can't say as I would be any more excited...

Let Herm Edwards coach this team and things would get done that Marvin w2ould never step up and do.

In this scenario we still have the same front office right ?? :lmao:/>

I don't see Mikey boy paying Marvin Lewis to walk. I could see him making Marvin the replay consultant, kidding, head of scouting or something like that. The Bengals do still have a scouting department right? Like a west coast guy, a southern guy, and John Cooper scouting St. Xavier games?

[membengal]

Every time Herm Edwards is on espn radio or SC I think "clown shoes" and change the channel.

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Every time Herm Edwards is on espn radio or SC I think "clown shoes" and change the channel.

Come on, everyone knows what this team needs. It needs a coach with passion. I know you don't like me, heck you put me on ignore on the other board, but some things we have to agree on. If Herm Edwards isn't the man who is? Lou Holtz isn't coming out of retirement. We know Mike Brown loves Ohio State, I showed where the most players of all time where drafted from Ohio State, Paul Brown coached there.

Cooper currently works for the Cincinnati Bengals of the NFL as a scouting consultant and also works as a college football analyst for ESPN.

So When is Tressel coming to town? It's funny that Gary Moeller actually was with the Bengals for awhile see he was a Michigan man. The only other guy with passion I can think of is Jon Gruden. I have no idea if that would happen or not, but he does have a track record of following coaches who couldn't take advantage of the team's talent and going to the playoffs and won a Super Bowl. He took the Raiders to the AFC Championship game. Then he went to Tampa and took Tony Dungy's group to a Super Bowl title. Honestly every time I watch him it looks like he has the itch to coach again.

[ArmyBengal]

Again, I still wouldn't be anywhere near excited with Herm Edwards.

Passion and fire aside, his body of work wouldn't fill anyone with anticipation of Super Bowls.

Rex Ryan has all kinds of passion and fire and he's a douche.

Jay Gruden talks a good game, but has coached like Bratkowski half the season.

Zimmer likes to cuss alot, how about him ??

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Again, I still wouldn't be anywhere near excited with Herm Edwards.

Passion and fire aside, his body of work wouldn't fill anyone with anticipation of Super Bowls.

Rex Ryan has all kinds of passion and fire and he's a douche.

Jay Gruden talks a good game, but has coached like Bratkowski half the season.

Zimmer likes to cuss alot, how about him ??

Hell no! Look at the defense this year. Out of 9 games the defense looked like zombies for at least 4 of them. He's not that motivator. It's one thing to scream and cuss, its another to say stuff that means something.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Watching Marvins demeanor over the years, I highly doubt screaming and cussing play much of a part in his coaching style. Not once have I seen him light up anyone on the sidelines.

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Watching Marvins demeanor over the years, I highly doubt screaming and cussing play much of a part in his coaching style. Not once have I seen him light up anyone on the sidelines.

That's the point. He has hardly any emotion. There hasn't been a team since 2005 that comes out of the locker room ready to play. They hardly ever score on their first drive of the game, and the third quarter is by far the worst quarter for them. It's all about being fired up and ready to play. This guys come out like they just ate turkey dinner and are ready to fall asleep in front of the tv.

[ArmyBengal]

Again, I still wouldn't be anywhere near excited with Herm Edwards.

Passion and fire aside, his body of work wouldn't fill anyone with anticipation of Super Bowls.

Rex Ryan has all kinds of passion and fire and he's a douche.

Jay Gruden talks a good game, but has coached like Bratkowski half the season.

Zimmer likes to cuss alot, how about him ??

Hell no! Look at the defense this year. Out of 9 games the defense looked like zombies for at least 4 of them. He's not that motivator. It's one thing to scream and cuss, its another to say stuff that means something.

Didn't say I wanted him. I actually don't.

It was more a comment about you liking guys with fire and them not being that good.

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Again, I still wouldn't be anywhere near excited with Herm Edwards.

Passion and fire aside, his body of work wouldn't fill anyone with anticipation of Super Bowls.

Rex Ryan has all kinds of passion and fire and he's a douche.

Jay Gruden talks a good game, but has coached like Bratkowski half the season.

Zimmer likes to cuss alot, how about him ??

Hell no! Look at the defense this year. Out of 9 games the defense looked like zombies for at least 4 of them. He's not that motivator. It's one thing to scream and cuss, its another to say stuff that means something.

Didn't say I wanted him. I actually don't.

It was more a comment about you liking guys with fire and them not being that good.

There just isn't that many guys out there unless you start going to the pros. Will Kelly leave Notre Dame after winning a National Championship? I've seen him tear guys a new a**h***.

[cHaD711Johnson]

Watching Marvins demeanor over the years, I highly doubt screaming and cussing play much of a part in his coaching style. Not once have I seen him light up anyone on the sidelines.

That's the point. He has hardly any emotion. There hasn't been a team since 2005 that comes out of the locker room ready to play. They hardly ever score on their first drive of the game, and the third quarter is by far the worst quarter for them. It's all about being fired up and ready to play. This guys come out like they just ate turkey dinner and are ready to fall asleep in front of the tv.

You're going by what you see on the sidelines during game? How do you know what emotion ML shows in the locker room, at practice, etc? And where does it say in the handbook for coaching that showing emotion is what gets your guys ready to play. There's not one coaching style that NFL players universally respond to. There are plenty of fiery coaches who SUCK.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Will Kelly leave Notre Dame after winning a National Championship? I've seen him tear guys a new a**h***.

Let me ease your mind BB. Notre Dame is a much improved team, but no way do they win the National Championship.

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Watching Marvins demeanor over the years, I highly doubt screaming and cussing play much of a part in his coaching style. Not once have I seen him light up anyone on the sidelines.

That's the point. He has hardly any emotion. There hasn't been a team since 2005 that comes out of the locker room ready to play. They hardly ever score on their first drive of the game, and the third quarter is by far the worst quarter for them. It's all about being fired up and ready to play. This guys come out like they just ate turkey dinner and are ready to fall asleep in front of the tv.

You're going by what you see on the sidelines during game? How do you know what emotion ML shows in the locker room, at practice, etc? And where does it say in the handbook for coaching that showing emotion is what gets your guys ready to play. There's not one coaching style that NFL players universally respond to. There are plenty of fiery coaches who SUCK.

Why? Because the stats don't lie. They suck at the beginning of the games and in the third quarter. It's been like that almost the entire time Marvin has been here. He sucks at time management. He sucks at taking care of time outs. He's horrible on challenging plays. I'd like to see his success rate, and that doesn't count plays he should have challlenged and didn't.

[BengalszoneBilly]

He's horrible on challenging plays.

Calling Marvin horrible at challenging plays is an insult to horrible people. Lewis flat out blows at it.

[ArmyBengal]

Will Kelly leave Notre Dame after winning a National Championship? I've seen him tear guys a new a**h***.

Let me ease your mind BB. Notre Dame is a much improved team, but no way do they win the National Championship.

From all accounts, Kelly has ALWAYS stated his dream job was to coach at Notre Dame.

I really don't see him wanting to leave there anytime soon.

However, if there is a coach able to take ND to the National Championship, it's Kelly.

Honestly, I think, it will happen sooner than later.

Not meaning to derail further, just saying.

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Will Kelly leave Notre Dame after winning a National Championship? I've seen him tear guys a new a**h***.

Let me ease your mind BB. Notre Dame is a much improved team, but no way do they win the National Championship.

From all accounts, Kelly has ALWAYS stated his dream job was to coach at Notre Dame.

I really don't see him wanting to leave there anytime soon.

However, if there is a coach able to take ND to the National Championship, it's Kelly.

Honestly, I think, it will happen sooner than later.

Not meaning to derail further, just saying.

Funny there is Chip Kelly at Oregon and Brian Kelly at Notre Dame and they are both playing to win the title this year.

I know this isn't a draft thread but Notre Dame had one of their best players on Defense transfer this year because he was home sick. His name was Aaron Lynch. He made the AP freshman defense of the year team. He transferred to South Florida, look for him in the drat in another year....he is BAD ass. He's the next Aaron Taylor.

[cincyhokie]

Successful coaching has little to do with "fire and entusuiasm".

It has more to do with setting high standards and holding people accountable. And being a good planner, and game manager, etc, etc.

Tom Landry, Paul Brown, Dan Reeves. None of which were characters on the sidelines. Their actions spoke louder than words.

[cHaD711Johnson]

Watching Marvins demeanor over the years, I highly doubt screaming and cussing play much of a part in his coaching style. Not once have I seen him light up anyone on the sidelines.

That's the point. He has hardly any emotion. There hasn't been a team since 2005 that comes out of the locker room ready to play. They hardly ever score on their first drive of the game, and the third quarter is by far the worst quarter for them. It's all about being fired up and ready to play. This guys come out like they just ate turkey dinner and are ready to fall asleep in front of the tv.

You're going by what you see on the sidelines during game? How do you know what emotion ML shows in the locker room, at practice, etc? And where does it say in the handbook for coaching that showing emotion is what gets your guys ready to play. There's not one coaching style that NFL players universally respond to. There are plenty of fiery coaches who SUCK.

Why? Because the stats don't lie. They suck at the beginning of the games and in the third quarter. It's been like that almost the entire time Marvin has been here. He sucks at time management. He sucks at taking care of time outs. He's horrible on challenging plays. I'd like to see his success rate, and that doesn't count plays he should have challlenged and didn't.

You're all over the place and his lack of emotion has nothing to do with ANY of these things. I just don't understand what you're trying to prove here. Yes, you think ML sucks as a coach, but your post and correlation to emotion is just awful.

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Uhm, how is it awful? Look at some of the Bengals best coaches, they had emotion and could motivate. When you get this rich dumbasses that like to sit at their apartment and play Madden and smoke weed, they need some motivation. Look at Sam Wyche, he was one hell of a motivator. He knew the right things to say at the right time. If you are going to sit here and bust my balls maybe you need to study a little more history of the Bengals, NFL, and coaches. The great coaches knew how to motivate. Marvin's idea of motivating...hey the QB and the MLB are the captains of their units they need to be leaders. Really Marvin? Is the grass green? Damn man, tell us something we don't know.

Seriously, quit having an agenda against me and do your homework. Watch some NFL special about the great coaches like Joe Gibbs (He is a guy close to Lou Holtz. He doesn't really yell, but he is very well tuned into what players need to hear.), Bill Walsh (Lord the man is a genius.), Paul Brown (Need I say more?), Bill Parcells (He'll get in your ass and come out your throat.), George Allen (The guy is just hilarious on the side lines. He's blunt and will tell it like it is.), George Halas (He's just a Lombardi clone.), Dick Vermiel (The guy will poor his heart out to a team. He's passionate and real, and his teams know it.), Jimmy Johnson ("How about them Cowboys?" Need I say more? He's a natural leader and he knows how to get the most out of his players on the field and emotionally.), Mike Ditka (Are you kidding me? If you screw up he'll not only tell you about it, he might punch you in the face.), Bill Cowher (As Bengal fans we've have watched "The Chin" many of times. He didn't wait until they got in the locker room to fix a players screw ups. They knew about it before they even got to the sidelines.), and perhaps the closest guy to Paul Brown is Don Schula (He is like a politician. He might seem calm, even when the team looks like total s**t, but his speeches to his team hit hard because he knows what to say and his demeanor demands respect. Having his history, how can players not respect what he has to say?).

So when is the last time you saw Marvin chew a player out? How often do you hear about Marvin having team meetings after 4 games losing streaks? How often do you hear about Marvin pulling a guy into his office to work things out? Hell when have you seen Marvin even get mad at a ref? He looks like a Rodin sculpture on the sidelines, and I'm not talking about "The Thinker." Hell as bad as I want to say it, I'd take Bill Cowher and a few Super Bowls.

[cincyhokie]

Uhm, how is it awful? Look at some of the Bengals best coaches, they had emotion and could motivate. When you get this rich dumbasses that like to sit at their apartment and play Madden and smoke weed, they need some motivation. Look at Sam Wyche, he was one hell of a motivator. He knew the right things to say at the right time. If you are going to sit here and bust my balls maybe you need to study a little more history of the Bengals, NFL, and coaches. The great coaches knew how to motivate. Marvin's idea of motivating...hey the QB and the MLB are the captains of their units they need to be leaders. Really Marvin? Is the grass green? Damn man, tell us something we don't know.

Seriously, quit having an agenda against me and do your homework. Watch some NFL special about the great coaches like Joe Gibbs (He is a guy close to Lou Holtz. He doesn't really yell, but he is very well tuned into what players need to hear.), Bill Walsh (Lord the man is a genius.), Paul Brown (Need I say more?), Bill Parcells (He'll get in your ass and come out your throat.), George Allen (The guy is just hilarious on the side lines. He's blunt and will tell it like it is.), George Halas (He's just a Lombardi clone.), Dick Vermiel (The guy will poor his heart out to a team. He's passionate and real, and his teams know it.), Jimmy Johnson ("How about them Cowboys?" Need I say more? He's a natural leader and he knows how to get the most out of his players on the field and emotionally.), Mike Ditka (Are you kidding me? If you screw up he'll not only tell you about it, he might punch you in the face.), Bill Cowher (As Bengal fans we've have watched "The Chin" many of times. He didn't wait until they got in the locker room to fix a players screw ups. They knew about it before they even got to the sidelines.), and perhaps the closest guy to Paul Brown is Don Schula (He is like a politician. He might seem calm, even when the team looks like total s**t, but his speeches to his team hit hard because he knows what to say and his demeanor demands respect. Having his history, how can players not respect what he has to say?).

So when is the last time you saw Marvin chew a player out? How often do you hear about Marvin having team meetings after 4 games losing streaks? How often do you hear about Marvin pulling a guy into his office to work things out? Hell when have you seen Marvin even get mad at a ref? He looks like a Rodin sculpture on the sidelines, and I'm not talking about "The Thinker." Hell as bad as I want to say it, I'd take Bill Cowher and a few Super Bowls.

High standards and hold accountability. Screaming and yelling is second, a distant second behind structure, system, and accountability. Look at Bill Belicheck. Tom Landry. Dan Reeves.

[kingwilly]

Uhm, how is it awful? Look at some of the Bengals best coaches, they had emotion and could motivate. When you get this rich dumbasses that like to sit at their apartment and play Madden and smoke weed, they need some motivation. Look at Sam Wyche, he was one hell of a motivator. He knew the right things to say at the right time. If you are going to sit here and bust my balls maybe you need to study a little more history of the Bengals, NFL, and coaches. The great coaches knew how to motivate. Marvin's idea of motivating...hey the QB and the MLB are the captains of their units they need to be leaders. Really Marvin? Is the grass green? Damn man, tell us something we don't know.

Seriously, quit having an agenda against me and do your homework. Watch some NFL special about the great coaches like Joe Gibbs (He is a guy close to Lou Holtz. He doesn't really yell, but he is very well tuned into what players need to hear.), Bill Walsh (Lord the man is a genius.), Paul Brown (Need I say more?), Bill Parcells (He'll get in your ass and come out your throat.), George Allen (The guy is just hilarious on the side lines. He's blunt and will tell it like it is.), George Halas (He's just a Lombardi clone.), Dick Vermiel (The guy will poor his heart out to a team. He's passionate and real, and his teams know it.), Jimmy Johnson ("How about them Cowboys?" Need I say more? He's a natural leader and he knows how to get the most out of his players on the field and emotionally.), Mike Ditka (Are you kidding me? If you screw up he'll not only tell you about it, he might punch you in the face.), Bill Cowher (As Bengal fans we've have watched "The Chin" many of times. He didn't wait until they got in the locker room to fix a players screw ups. They knew about it before they even got to the sidelines.), and perhaps the closest guy to Paul Brown is Don Schula (He is like a politician. He might seem calm, even when the team looks like total s**t, but his speeches to his team hit hard because he knows what to say and his demeanor demands respect. Having his history, how can players not respect what he has to say?).

So when is the last time you saw Marvin chew a player out? How often do you hear about Marvin having team meetings after 4 games losing streaks? How often do you hear about Marvin pulling a guy into his office to work things out? Hell when have you seen Marvin even get mad at a ref? He looks like a Rodin sculpture on the sidelines, and I'm not talking about "The Thinker." Hell as bad as I want to say it, I'd take Bill Cowher and a few Super Bowls.

High standards and hold accountability. Screaming and yelling is second, a distant second behind structure, system, and accountability. Look at Bill Belicheck. Tom Landry. Dan Reeves.

Both of you have a point. Marvin simply looks..and acts... disinterested and benign. His words are simply redundant. There is nothing fresh or deliver an inspiration, in my view.

I think it comes down to the coaches each of you cite having a distinct "style". The problem with ML is he does not have a "style" at all.

[cincyhokie]

Uhm, how is it awful? Look at some of the Bengals best coaches, they had emotion and could motivate. When you get this rich dumbasses that like to sit at their apartment and play Madden and smoke weed, they need some motivation. Look at Sam Wyche, he was one hell of a motivator. He knew the right things to say at the right time. If you are going to sit here and bust my balls maybe you need to study a little more history of the Bengals, NFL, and coaches. The great coaches knew how to motivate. Marvin's idea of motivating...hey the QB and the MLB are the captains of their units they need to be leaders. Really Marvin? Is the grass green? Damn man, tell us something we don't know.

Seriously, quit having an agenda against me and do your homework. Watch some NFL special about the great coaches like Joe Gibbs (He is a guy close to Lou Holtz. He doesn't really yell, but he is very well tuned into what players need to hear.), Bill Walsh (Lord the man is a genius.), Paul Brown (Need I say more?), Bill Parcells (He'll get in your ass and come out your throat.), George Allen (The guy is just hilarious on the side lines. He's blunt and will tell it like it is.), George Halas (He's just a Lombardi clone.), Dick Vermiel (The guy will poor his heart out to a team. He's passionate and real, and his teams know it.), Jimmy Johnson ("How about them Cowboys?" Need I say more? He's a natural leader and he knows how to get the most out of his players on the field and emotionally.), Mike Ditka (Are you kidding me? If you screw up he'll not only tell you about it, he might punch you in the face.), Bill Cowher (As Bengal fans we've have watched "The Chin" many of times. He didn't wait until they got in the locker room to fix a players screw ups. They knew about it before they even got to the sidelines.), and perhaps the closest guy to Paul Brown is Don Schula (He is like a politician. He might seem calm, even when the team looks like total s**t, but his speeches to his team hit hard because he knows what to say and his demeanor demands respect. Having his history, how can players not respect what he has to say?).

So when is the last time you saw Marvin chew a player out? How often do you hear about Marvin having team meetings after 4 games losing streaks? How often do you hear about Marvin pulling a guy into his office to work things out? Hell when have you seen Marvin even get mad at a ref? He looks like a Rodin sculpture on the sidelines, and I'm not talking about "The Thinker." Hell as bad as I want to say it, I'd take Bill Cowher and a few Super Bowls.

High standards and hold accountability. Screaming and yelling is second, a distant second behind structure, system, and accountability. Look at Bill Belicheck. Tom Landry. Dan Reeves.

Both of you have a point. Marvin simply looks..and acts... disinterested and benign. His words are simply redundant. There is nothing fresh or deliver an inspiration, in my view.

I think it comes down to the coaches each of you cite having a distinct "style". The problem with ML is he does not have a "style" at all.

I look at it more as a direction, a goal, a system, a "way". A "style" is how you implement that system or "way" of doing things. It's the art to the science. He's lacking in both departments.

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Ha! Lacking in both departments? If Marvin Lewis was a JC Pennnys the only department he would have is the women's under garments department.

[cHaD711Johnson]

Uhm, how is it awful? Look at some of the Bengals best coaches, they had emotion and could motivate. When you get this rich dumbasses that like to sit at their apartment and play Madden and smoke weed, they need some motivation. Look at Sam Wyche, he was one hell of a motivator. He knew the right things to say at the right time. If you are going to sit here and bust my balls maybe you need to study a little more history of the Bengals, NFL, and coaches. The great coaches knew how to motivate. Marvin's idea of motivating...hey the QB and the MLB are the captains of their units they need to be leaders. Really Marvin? Is the grass green? Damn man, tell us something we don't know.

Seriously, quit having an agenda against me and do your homework. Watch some NFL special about the great coaches like Joe Gibbs (He is a guy close to Lou Holtz. He doesn't really yell, but he is very well tuned into what players need to hear.), Bill Walsh (Lord the man is a genius.), Paul Brown (Need I say more?), Bill Parcells (He'll get in your ass and come out your throat.), George Allen (The guy is just hilarious on the side lines. He's blunt and will tell it like it is.), George Halas (He's just a Lombardi clone.), Dick Vermiel (The guy will poor his heart out to a team. He's passionate and real, and his teams know it.), Jimmy Johnson ("How about them Cowboys?" Need I say more? He's a natural leader and he knows how to get the most out of his players on the field and emotionally.), Mike Ditka (Are you kidding me? If you screw up he'll not only tell you about it, he might punch you in the face.), Bill Cowher (As Bengal fans we've have watched "The Chin" many of times. He didn't wait until they got in the locker room to fix a players screw ups. They knew about it before they even got to the sidelines.), and perhaps the closest guy to Paul Brown is Don Schula (He is like a politician. He might seem calm, even when the team looks like total s**t, but his speeches to his team hit hard because he knows what to say and his demeanor demands respect. Having his history, how can players not respect what he has to say?).

So when is the last time you saw Marvin chew a player out? How often do you hear about Marvin having team meetings after 4 games losing streaks? How often do you hear about Marvin pulling a guy into his office to work things out? Hell when have you seen Marvin even get mad at a ref? He looks like a Rodin sculpture on the sidelines, and I'm not talking about "The Thinker." Hell as bad as I want to say it, I'd take Bill Cowher and a few Super Bowls.

High standards and hold accountability. Screaming and yelling is second, a distant second behind structure, system, and accountability. Look at Bill Belicheck. Tom Landry. Dan Reeves.

Exactly... There isn't one style of coach. Bellicheck is the best coach of this era and he is one of the most stoic guys in sports. No one has an agenda against you, I don't even know who you are, sir. And just because I see Marvin chewing a guy on the sideline means that it doesn't happen? Or having meetings with the team, or guys either, huh? He hasn't been able to get this team over the hump, and win the Super Bowl, I definitely agree. Has he disappointed during the times where the fan base has built up a sense of hope for the team, yes. Might it be time for us to get a new guy in there to take his place? Definitely. However,I do not attribute it to him not chewing a player out on the sidelines for the viewing public to see, though. That's just my opinion. I'm also not going to compare Cowher and other legendary coaches that you have named with GREAT ownership to a guy who has essentially forced to try to turn piss into Champagne with Mikey boy running this organization.

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So it always falls back to Mike Brown....

The scouts, television analyst, the news papers, the internet sites...tons of people during Marvin's tenure have talked about the great young talent that was assembled on the Bengals during certain years, yet Marvin failed, some time miserably. Don't tell me he got the Bengals over the hump when in his 10 years he has a losing record, only two playoff appearances and zero playoff wins. You more than likely won't find a coach in the history of the NFL to coach as long as Marvin and have those stats without being fired. Hell other teams would have fired him after his first 3 seasons. Marvin is a thinker, not a talker. NFL coaches need to be able to communicate to their players and find what motivates them. Some guys need a kick in the ass, others might need a pat on the back. Hell, like I said, the great coaches give great speeches and they take the time to correct a guy as soon as he makes a mistake. What kind of discipline is it when Taylor Mays goes out there and hits a guy helmet to helmet because he is tackling with his head down using bad form, gets a 15 yard penalty on third and long that gives the other team a first down and extends there drive, and the defensive coach pulls him out of the game, and Mays just walks over to the bench and sits down. No one says a f**king word to him! What the hell is that? The guy not only didn't use the fundamentals of football, but he helped the other team continue a drive! That stuff tears me up! Marvin needs to stop him at the sideline and say something, I think Zimmer is up stairs so he can't.

You do have an agenda against me, everyone can see it. Every post I make you disagree with me. I could say water is wet and you would say I was wrong. Just be civil and read into things. Some of us are old farts and have seen Steve Sabol films for ages. You know what NFL means? "Not for long if you keep playing like that!" It's classic! Go look up the films and watch them. The ones of Wyche are awesome. When he pulls Icky and Brooks and talks to them it just makes you like Wyche. Hell I felt like putting on a helmet and getting out there. That's the kind of coach you want. Not a guy that stands on the sidelines with his arms folded and occasionally lets out a sigh or throws the red flag when it's clearly the correct call already. So just open your mind and your eyes.