JPW Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 "In other news, the Giants announced that they have waived three players, K Matt Bryant, DT Willie Blade and DT Glen Steele."He was a productive back-up and with out Gardener having signed we are short at DT. Do we bring him back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IfItsBrownFlushItDown Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Both him and Willie Blade look good at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 I wouldn't mind having Steele back, but doubt there is room for him..! - 8 defensive lineman seems to be all we can handle at this point. If we keep 9, we risk having to lose another player either at the offensive line, or maybe the secondary.* Considering the infusion of youth and talent in the secondary, I'm all for keeping more d-backs than d-lineman . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 No. The less Wolverine players on the Bengals the better chance we have at winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Wait and see who else is released at DT. The only thing going for Steele is the veterans cap and the fact he's proven time again that he can last a full season. Blade must be in horrible shape since the Giants claimed him off waivers just 3 or 4 days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbdreamer Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 I owe the Bengals fans a VERY big apology.I stated that Glenn Steele would be a force for the Giants. I made a BIG boo boo.To all Bengals fans: I am sorry to have been so badly mistaken. GO BENGALS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Blade was claimed by the Jags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 I always liked Steele's hustle and effort. He reminded me of a younger version of Tim Krumrie. He may end up here again but he was let go from this team for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Why does anyone want Steele back?He just isn't very good.He was cut,and demand for him was so high that he had to take an offer from the Giants for the league minimum,and then they cut him.I'd rather see kids like Askew get some pt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Johnson Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 agrees with Sox...Throw Askew in the mix during the season...He should develope into a great DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted July 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 I don't know if it is true or not, but some say that Steele tends to play out of his assignment.If you listen to ML, what you hear is that he is not even all that concerned over the DL.You hear him talk about how Defense is Played by 11 people.He has made statements like:"we are not going to have people just running all over the field" and"this year everybody is going to be where they are suppose to be doing what they are suppose to do".Before the Draft you would hear him talking about players who were Fast and SMART.I get the feeling that in ML's mind the Defensive Scheme is just about as important as the level of talent that you have to work with.That the best way to Improve the Defense is by Insisting that Everybody Follows Instructions and Performs Their Assignment with in The Scheme.I don't think that he is going to tolerated anybody who compromises the whole scheme by playing out of his assignment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 I owe the Bengals fans a VERY big apology.I stated that Glenn Steele would be a force for the Giants. I made a BIG boo boo.To all Bengals fans: I am sorry to have been so badly mistaken. GO BENGALS sbdreamer, you don't owe us s**t. You just stated something you truly believed. It takes a real man to come back later and admit you may have been wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Why does anyone want Steele back?He just isn't very good.He was cut,and demand for him was so high that he had to take an offer from the Giants for the league minimum,and then they cut him.I'd rather see kids like Askew get some pt. Yeah, and the immediate cut should tell you something. I wonder if Mike Brown signed Steele because he was JUST THAT LOYAL???Glen Steele sucks. Signing him back would be a dumb move. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Glen Steele sucks. Signing him back would be a dumb move. End of story. No, Steele doesn't suck. Our run D was actually better with him in the game last year. He's one-dimensional, but the dimension he has -- run-stuffing -- is the one we need.Lots of people were arguing with me that Whalen and Eddie "can't kick 'til mid-August" Johnson are good signings because "competition is good." OK, fine: let's have some competition at DT. If Steele sucks so bad, someone like Moore or Askew will beat him out, and we'll be all the better for it. If not, at least we know we have the best 5 or so DTs we could get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Glen Steele sucks. Signing him back would be a dumb move. End of story.No, Steele doesn't suck. Our run D was actually better with him in the game last year. He's one-dimensional, but the dimension he has -- run-stuffing -- is the one we need.Lots of people were arguing with me that Whalen and Eddie "can't kick 'til mid-August" Johnson are good signings because "competition is good." OK, fine: let's have some competition at DT. If Steele sucks so bad, someone like Moore or Askew will beat him out, and we'll be all the better for it. If not, at least we know we have the best 5 or so DTs we could get. But why bother with bringing him back during camp? He's gonna take snaps away from young guys that need them..He's a known commodity. If the Bengals looked at bringing him back it shouldn't be until after the season starts. That serves two purposes. He doesn't take a roster spot, he doesn't take snaps away from young guys, and he isn't guaranteed a full year of salery...cheap yes, but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 But why bother with bringing him back during camp? He's gonna take snaps away from young guys that need them..He's a known commodity. If the Bengals looked at bringing him back it shouldn't be until after the season starts. That serves two purposes. He doesn't take a roster spot, he doesn't take snaps away from young guys, and he isn't guaranteed a full year of salery...cheap yes, but true. Why bother bringing him back? Conditioning, more time to study the playbook and any tweaks -- I'm sure there are several that Frazier's come up with -- and to get in sync with his fellow defensers, among other reasons. If he's part of a rotation of defenders, he certainly isn't going to take many snaps away from anyone; the only guy who would really benefit from extended practice work is Askew anyhow; the other guys have all been here before. Matthais can be accomodated. As for roster spots, they don't appear to be an issue. Hell, we just picked up a punter who can't kick for two weeks. And salary for Steele isn't even a consideration. Vet minimum & you're done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I'm in agreement with Kev on this one. Why bring him back? He's a player in a position last season we bitched and complained about not being able to stop the run. He's an average DT and if he was better than average, he wouldn't be unemployeed before Training Camp starts. Steele isn't the solution, he was apart of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoDeyNow Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 We've already been down that road before. He's definitely back-up material and he can't pass rush worth a dime. He has a good motor, but that's it. It'd be smarter to go in a different direction if we're looking for DL help, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I'm in agreement with Kev on this one. Why bring him back? He's a player in a position last season we bitched and complained about not being able to stop the run. He's an average DT and if he was better than average, he wouldn't be unemployeed before Training Camp starts. Steele isn't the solution, he was apart of the problem. Well, shoot, then, why are we bothering to hold on to Thornton or Williams or Moore? Using your logic of "they were a part of the problem," we ought to cut the first two for their performance and the last one because he obviously wasn't good enough to do better than these bums.Oh, wait a minute, right: Thornton and Williams are going to play better now that they've had a year in the system. Oh, wait, wouldn't that apply to Steele, too...? Oh, hell with it, never mind, we need to save the roster spot in case some 6th round never-was WR shakes loose so we can increase the competition at wideout... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Well, shoot, then, why are we bothering to hold on to Thornton or Williams or Moore? Using your logic of "they were a part of the problem," we ought to cut the first two for their performance and the last one because he obviously wasn't good enough to do better than these bums.I know you watched the games and I know you saw most of the defensive tackles pushed back, hell you've even said a major problem was our defensive tackles. What do you think Steele could contribute that he didn't do before? And yes, if we used my logic, then we'd have a better defensive front. Oh, wait a minute, right: Thornton and Williams are going to play better now that they've had a year in the system.Do you know what defensive tackles use in the defensive plays? It's either A or B or C gap. It's not like the DTs have some complicated system, they either rush the gaps and read offensive lineman in case it's a rush. It's not that hard to grasp; that's football. Wasn't there a report or someone here say about Steele not staying in his gaps thus creating bigger lanes for the opposing running back? Yea, I want that on my team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Well, shoot, then, why are we bothering to hold on to Thornton or Williams or Moore? Using your logic of "they were a part of the problem," we ought to cut the first two for their performance and the last one because he obviously wasn't good enough to do better than these bums.I know you watched the games and I know you saw most of the defensive tackles pushed back, hell you've even said a major problem was our defensive tackles. What do you think Steele could contribute that he didn't do before? And yes, if we used my logic, then we'd have a better defensive front. Oh, wait a minute, right: Thornton and Williams are going to play better now that they've had a year in the system.Do you know what defensive tackles use in the defensive plays? It's either A or B or C gap. It's not like the DTs have some complicated system, they either rush the gaps and read offensive lineman in case it's a rush. It's not that hard to grasp; that's football. Wasn't there a report or someone here say about Steele not staying in his gaps thus creating bigger lanes for the opposing running back? Yea, I want that on my team. Wookie made the same point about the " gaps " issue on another thread, and I have to agree with you and him. These guys were still in the wrong place at the end of the season ??? Where in the hell was the coaching ?? The DT's can scream all they want about being singled out and blamed for the poor showing, but if it wasn't their fault .. then whose was it ?? Bad coaching and or a new system could be used as an excuse for him ( Steele ) not performing for the Bengals .... why did the Giants cut him too ???? He belongs in the same category as the rest of the " roaches " that got the axe. Don't bring any of them back. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Wasn't there a report or someone here say about Steele not staying in his gaps thus creating bigger lanes for the opposing running back? Yea, I want that on my team. Williams and Thornton have both confessed to blowing their gap responsibilities at times last year as well. So should we do to them what was done unto Steele? Or, conversely, if they can be expected to have better performance in year 2 with the scheme, why can't the same assumption be made for Steele?No, there's no answer to "why Thornton (or Williams) but not Steele" there. I know why Lewis isn't anxious to bring him back: because he doesn't fit the scheme Marvin and Leslie want to run. If we do see him resigned later on, it will be an admission that they lack confidence in he secondary and expect to have to play more zone coverage than they would like. In that case, they'll need to ad run-stuffing heft since they won't be able to stack 8 guys in the box as often as they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Williams and Thornton have both confessed to blowing their gap responsibilities at times last year as well. So should we do to them what was done unto Steele? Or, conversely, if they can be expected to have better performance in year 2 with the scheme, why can't the same assumption be made for Steele?Blowing gap responsiblities happens, I've done it before myself as has every professional. It's what happens after you screw up whether or not the coaches like or dislike you. If he missed a gap, but still held his own, then fine, you're still taking up an offensive lineman the LBers don't have to worry about. Even the best miss their gaps. But to miss your gap, get blown off the ball 3-4 yards and allow the LBers to get blocked? That's what both Gibson and Steele did and now they are rightly off the team. Sure Williams and Thornton have been victim of this, but far less than Steele. Personally, I think we still need a big 400 pound fatty that just sits there and looks like he's taking a dump.I can't wait for the season to start!!! SHESH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Personally, I think we still need a big 400 pound fatty that just sits there and looks like he's taking a dump.I can't wait for the season to start!!! SHESH! I'm with ya on both counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Personally, I think we still need a big 400 pound fatty that just sits there and looks like he's taking a dump.I can't wait for the season to start!!! SHESH!I'm with ya on both counts. Is Gilbert Brown still available??? He could fill out the "dump stance" pretty good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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