The Brew Man Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Im gonna say that these players can pack thier bags.....Danny GravesCory LidlePaul Wilson ? (hope not)Anyone else, the deadline is looming.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Ken Griffey Jr. I think they'll dump him for next to nothing just to get rid of the salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Too bad we can't trade owners. I'd take a decent bat boy for Lindner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brew Man Posted July 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Ken Griffey Jr. I think they'll dump him for next to nothing just to get rid of the salary. Think thats even possible with him injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 anyone on our team is fair game i say besides casey and dunn. Wilson finally had a good year and it would be a perfect time to trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I just don't get this whole train of thought as to trading what good players the Reds DO have!How about trying to bring in, or bring up some other good players to strengthen the team. Trading these players will only weaken it, and it's freakin' weak enough, don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black'n'Orange Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I just don't get this whole train of thought as to trading what good players the Reds DO have!How about trying to bring in, or bring up some other good players to strengthen the team. Trading these players will only weaken it, and it's freakin' weak enough, don't you think? I agree completly Billy. And the sad truth is, even if we wanted to trade, we dont have a whole lot to offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brew Man Posted July 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I just don't get this whole train of thought as to trading what good players the Reds DO have!How about trying to bring in, or bring up some other good players to strengthen the team. Trading these players will only weaken it, and it's freakin' weak enough, don't you think? I agree completly Billy. And the sad truth is, even if we wanted to trade, we dont have a whole lot to offer While its true that we dont have much to offer, there is a reason that teams deal players for prospect every year at this time. And no offense Billy, but its been happening forever. The logic behind it is to "sell high". Wilson for example, his stock has never been higher than it is right now. Who knows, maybe next year he reverts to 8-8 with a 5 plus era form. There are teams that are willing to deal that stud 1b prospect that may be the next Thome for 1/2 to 2 good years from a mediocre starting pitcher if it helps them win some hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I just don't get this whole train of thought as to trading what good players the Reds DO have!How about trying to bring in, or bring up some other good players to strengthen the team. Trading these players will only weaken it, and it's freakin' weak enough, don't you think? I agree completly Billy. And the sad truth is, even if we wanted to trade, we dont have a whole lot to offer While its true that we dont have much to offer, there is a reason that teams deal players for prospect every year at this time. And no offense Billy, but its been happening forever. The logic behind it is to "sell high". Wilson for example, his stock has never been higher than it is right now. Who knows, maybe next year he reverts to 8-8 with a 5 plus era form. There are teams that are willing to deal that stud 1b prospect that may be the next Thome for 1/2 to 2 good years from a mediocre starting pitcher if it helps them win some hardware. I dunno Brew-man. It seems the Reds have been operating under that plan for more than a few years now, and the payoff has yet to be seen.Maybe now is time for a different approach, although a new owner wouldn't hurt either. One who isn't afraid to spend a few bucks to bring quality players to Cincy.Like I've said, failure starts at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I just don't get this whole train of thought as to trading what good players the Reds DO have!How about trying to bring in, or bring up some other good players to strengthen the team. Trading these players will only weaken it, and it's freakin' weak enough, don't you think? I agree completly Billy. And the sad truth is, even if we wanted to trade, we dont have a whole lot to offer While its true that we dont have much to offer, there is a reason that teams deal players for prospect every year at this time. And no offense Billy, but its been happening forever. The logic behind it is to "sell high". Wilson for example, his stock has never been higher than it is right now. Who knows, maybe next year he reverts to 8-8 with a 5 plus era form. There are teams that are willing to deal that stud 1b prospect that may be the next Thome for 1/2 to 2 good years from a mediocre starting pitcher if it helps them win some hardware. I dunno Brew-man. It seems the Reds have been operating under that plan for more than a few years now, and the payoff has yet to be seen.Maybe now is time for a different approach, although a new owner wouldn't hurt either. One who isn't afraid to spend a few bucks to bring quality players to Cincy.Like I've said, failure starts at the top. Well, I think most teams follow this pattern, but are also not afraid to sign big names to help speed the process along. Aside from Griffey, what major players have we signed in the past 5 years? We've had some successes (Dunn being the most notable) by using this sytem, but we haven't brought other top notch players in to compliment the young developing talent.Thanks, Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brew Man Posted July 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I think the main point is this, in the past couple years we have acquired good, legitimate talent. Our damn farm system hasnt had a clue on how to develop them though! And thats the whole point! Name one pitcher that has come up from our system in the past 15 years..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle_Fever Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I dont think anyone is untouchable at this point. Wilson and Lidle on the last year of their contract are no brainers assuming anyone would want Lidle at this point. Griffey and Kearns coming off injury are probably not too desirable by a contender. Im sure Dunn and even Willy Mo would draw interest from a power perspective. Take Graves please along with his 6 mil salary. Im not advocating giving away nothing. Any deal would have to benefit us more than what we loose. I still say we have a small chance to turn things around with Kearns and Griffey back in the lineup but very small. Lets not shoot ourselves in the foot here. We hardly have any talent on the bench so I see no spare parts besides maybe Willy Mo/Kearns. Only way we get better is opening up the purse strings and I dont see that happening. Gotta love the effort these guys put forth and Miley playing the hand he's dealt. In the end, money buys wins. Just look at the contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Gotta love the effort these guys put forth and Miley playing the hand he's dealt. In the end, money buys wins. Just look at the contenders.I DO love what they've tried to do, and hats off to Miley for taking the Reds as far as he did, but the cards he's been dealt have come up pitifully short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brew Man Posted July 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Gotta love the effort these guys put forth and Miley playing the hand he's dealt. In the end, money buys wins. Just look at the contenders.I DO love what they've tried to do, and hats off to Miley for taking the Reds as far as he did, but the cards he's been dealt have come up pitifully short. And the sad thing is, it could cost him his job..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Nobody will get traded. If money isn't a cause for no trades, then it's lack of production. The only one that I can see getting traded is Wilson, but I really believe the Reds don't want to deal him and will re-sign after this season. As for the farm system, I have to blame Bowman -- the former GM. He was so homer happy that the talent pitching-wise has never been good because he never set out to develop a quality pitching staff; hence our continued problems with quality pitchers on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Willy Mo Pena and Corey Lidle would sure look nice in Dodger Blue!!!!!I'd take Sean Casey too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan33 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Here are my predictions of what will happen:I see them selling.. they are out of it. Here is where I think some Reds will go Wilson=top prospect and 1 major league(Twins) Lidle=2 prospects(Padres) LaRue=AA prospect(ChiSox) Jones=AAA prospect(Cubs) What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 larue aint goin nowhere...neither is lidle he aint done anything to garner a trade...the only ppl i see traded are wilson and mb jones that you stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brew Man Posted July 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Rumor ive heard is the Reds send Wilson and TJones to Texas for thier top minor league ss........I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Rumor ive heard is the Reds send Wilson and TJones to Texas for thier top minor league ss........I like it. Someone needs to un-seed Barry, and I don't see Jones or Wilson being the future of the team.. I'm game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan33 Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Rumor ive heard is the Reds send Wilson and TJones to Texas for thier top minor league ss........I like it. I heard the same rumor but dont worry about it now because Jones has been traded to the Phillies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brew Man Posted August 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Yeah, some move that was..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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