Palmer will decide his own fate.... by way of Mike Brown

[agreen_112]

So early speculation and inside info suggested that once the CBA was settled, Palmer would be dealt to another team. The CBA is still in question and the draft took place and we found our replacement.... New developments are saying the exact opposite of what I heard through early tips. My source says that Palmer will not get a trade. If he wishes to retire and not honor his contract... then so be it. Wow! I like the way MB plays ball with trade demands these days.

By the way, F*CK PALMER!

[Stripes]

If that ends up accurate, which I doubt, I'd very much hate the way Mike Brown is handling this specific trade demand. I'd much prefer a first round pick over the "satisfaction" of letting the golden boy tend to his garden every Sunday.

[agreen_112]

If that ends up accurate, which I doubt, I'd very much hate the way Mike Brown is handling this specific trade demand. I'd much prefer a first round pick over the "satisfaction" of letting the golden boy tend to his garden every Sunday.

What makes you think we would get a 1st round for Palmer? The guy is falling apart. He's done. Finito. Over. He has a paper arm and would get absolultely destroyed in ANY QB challenge event. The only thing Palmer has going for himself is his brains. He's NOT a leader. He has 0 accuracy. His elbow and knee are likely to end his career with one more hit.

[Stripes]

The rumors floating around suggest the possibility, I obviously don't know how teams might value Palmer in trade. It doesn't make any difference though. A 7th round pick would be better than nothing.

[TJJackson]

My source says

Don't forget that agreen/gizzle frequently claims that he sleeps with women discarded by current Bengal players

So I am guessing that when he is not having all this sex with these fine upstanding ladies (who somehow find agreen/gizzle to be just as good a catch as a current Bengal player), he manages to find time to talk to them.

You know, til he has 20 minutes to recover and start up again, and all that......

[ArmyBengal]

If that ends up accurate, which I doubt, I'd very much hate the way Mike Brown is handling this specific trade demand. I'd much prefer a first round pick over the "satisfaction" of letting the golden boy tend to his garden every Sunday.

What makes you think we would get a 1st round for Palmer? The guy is falling apart. He's done. Finito. Over. He has a paper arm and would get absolultely destroyed in ANY QB challenge event. The only thing Palmer has going for himself is his brains. He's NOT a leader. He has 0 accuracy. His elbow and knee are likely to end his career with one more hit.

This is the mentality I simply can't get behind. I absolutely HATE what Palmer has done and don't want him back in stripes ever again.

That being said, it was just 2 seasons ago he had ice in his veins as he LED the team to an AFCN title while sweeping the division for the first time in the organizations history. He was 30 yards shy of his 3rd 4000 yard season, something never done by another QB in Bengals history. In the past two seasons, he's thrown for 47 TD's.

What I don't like is his decision making process, but that has nothing to do with his injuries. Does he throw high and low ?? Sure, but how much of that do any of us know for a fact is a poor throw or him tryig to put it only where his WR can get to it ?? How much does Chad and TO factor into the situation from last year ?? Now people can argue all they want by saying Palmer WANTED T.O. here last season, but I doubt very highly that Palmer wanted TO cutting off routes, quitting on plays, and having alligator arms. Same from Chad. I would love to ask Palmer if he could have a redo on that one if he had the choice.

Anyway, for as much as I don't want him back, it's not unreasonable to think the Bengals could in fact get a 1st rounder for Palmer. When you consider the teams that didn't do ANYTHING to address their QB situation, they will come asking about Palmer, if they haven't already. Go a step further and how many of those same teams could very well end up in the playoffs simply by adding Palmer and ask yourself what that's worth to a team wanted to add a QB ??

The 49er's still make a ton of sense. They added Kaepernick, who you know needs time. Palmer could come in, take that team t othe playoffs and truly mentor a young QB who most think will take 2-3 years to be starter ready. Bottomline is, people can hate on a player all they want, but you can't take away what that player could mean to another team looking to improve.

[Trevor]

If that ends up accurate, which I doubt, I'd very much hate the way Mike Brown is handling this specific trade demand. I'd much prefer a first round pick over the "satisfaction" of letting the golden boy tend to his garden every Sunday.

What makes you think we would get a 1st round for Palmer? The guy is falling apart. He's done. Finito. Over. He has a paper arm and would get absolultely destroyed in ANY QB challenge event. The only thing Palmer has going for himself is his brains. He's NOT a leader. He has 0 accuracy. His elbow and knee are likely to end his career with one more hit.

Who thought anyone could get a 3rd for randy moss??? We could easily get a 1st for palmer. Trust me. A Veteran who threw 4 26 tds, and alot of the pics he threw were chad and T.Os fault, and the recievers dropped 20% or more of the dang balls he threw. We could easily get a 1st, maybe more

[Passepartout]

Well Palmer is indeed done. As he will be shown the door. And get his wish come true. Over no longer being welcomed in a Bengals uniform.

[combatbengal]

As far as TO, he did drop some balls and did quit on some plays. But, he also produced, stayed out of trouble and kept his mouth shut when asked questions about the team. Now Palmer, spent most of the season throwing into double and triple coverage, which caused some ints! He took way to long reading the def, which either got a delay of game or wasted time out. He didn't lead at all! He spent most of the games going 3 and out. When the cameras were on him, he was sitting on the bench. Wasn't talking to his line, backs or receivers. Wasn't looking at pictures of the plays. When Manning or Brady go three and out, they are on the sideline trying to figure out what went wrong and how to fix it. I personally think Palmer gave up during the season last year! So, bottom line is, he quit on his teammates! He quit on the team!, He quit on the city and he quit on us fans! We don't need a guy like that on our team!

[ArmyBengal]

TO kept his mouth shut until things started going down hill for the season, but he ran his mouth. Questioned the playcalling, the coaches, and more. We do the same thing here, but we don't play the game. For those willing to defend Chad and TO, please explain how Palmer's numbers INCREASED when the two clown shoes were removed and he was throwing to Simpson and Caldwell.

Sure Palmer threw INT's last year, but again, how much was strictly his fault and how much could go to the WR's playing undisciplined and ad libbing their routes ?? I don't know an exact, but it was obvious to viewers what was happening. Would that frustrate you ?? Yes, it would. Especially when you know you were the one who asked for those additions.

Wasted timeouts ?? Delays of game ?? Ok, but that is a shared responsibility of the coaches that need to get plays called and it has already been addressed by the coaches that they took entirely to long to get plays called and out to the huddle. Some of that is on Palmer and some to the coaches, but lets not put it all on Palmer.

I've said it numerous times and still it seems to be overlooked, but when we added a TE that plays were made for with him running routes, it totally changed the playcalling for the TE position from the season before when they didn't have a TE worth a sh*t and basically just threw another OT in that spot. It gave Palmer more time to throw with addded protection and opened up holes for Benson and co to run through. 2010 and the addition of Gresham ?? Not so much, but I like having Gresham. I think they just moved their philophy so much it bit them in the ass HARD.

ALL OF THAT SAID...

I don't like how Palmer reacted to things for the most part on the field and agree he seemed to sulk and not look involved. I don't like what he's doing with his "trade me" demands and think his approach in all of this is very unprofessional. I don't want him back in stripes under any circumstance and have basically moved him firmly into "BITCH" category. However, you can't look at what happened last year and place all the blame on Palmer. Hate if you want, but the big picture can't be glossed over so easily. There's plenty of blame to go round.

Not only that, but other teams will surely see that as well. That is why the Bengals should expect to get a first round offer for him. Maybe even a kicker that's based on performance.

[agreen_112]

You're wrong on this one Army, Palmer is garbage. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at this point in his career. He's gun shy and falling apart.

If my source is correct, Palmer will be forced into retirement. The Bengals have already shopped him, we're not getting a 1st rnd pick. He'll either suit up for camp and compete for a postition, contribute, or he will be forced to retire. He has a contract to honor.

If he does go into retirement, what happens to his contract? Can we get money back?

[princeton]

Mikey can't allow his best players to leverage him into trading them. if he did, then he'd never have a hope of competing ever again (not that there's been much hope for the past two decades)

this issue is worth more to Mike than a first and third round pick, or whatever he can get for Palmer in trade.

[agreen_112]

My source says

Don't forget that agreen/gizzle frequently claims that he sleeps with women discarded by current Bengal players

So I am guessing that when he is not having all this sex with these fine upstanding ladies (who somehow find agreen/gizzle to be just as good a catch as a current Bengal player), he manages to find time to talk to them.

You know, til he has 20 minutes to recover and start up again, and all that......

What does me banging Cedric Benson's gf while he was back home in Texas have to do with anything? Quit fantasizing about it.

[agreen_112]

Mikey can't allow his best players to leverage him into trading them. if he did, then he'd never have a hope of competing ever again (not that there's been much hope for the past two decades)

this issue is worth more to Mike than a first and third round pick, or whatever he can get for Palmer in trade.

Thank you Princeton, that's the brightest post I've seen here in awhile.

[princeton]

I also think that what Carson is doing is honorable.

the dishonorable thing would be to return, cash paychecks, play really badly, and sulk openly until a trade or roster cut were Mikey's only options.

instead, Carson's giving up millions of dollars out of principle. I know that he's rich, but not many would give up so much cash. his agent must be going bananas.

[skyline]

I also think that what Carson is doing is honorable.

the dishonorable thing would be to return, cash paychecks, play really badly, and sulk openly until a trade or roster cut were Mikey's only options.

That's absurd. The honorable thing would be to play out his contract to the best of his ability. The honorable thing is to be a man, live up to your agreements, and make the best of it.

[TJJackson]

That's absurd. The honorable thing would be to play out his contract to the best of his ability. The honorable thing is to be a man, live up to your agreements, and make the best of it.

Actually, the way NFL contracts were written up on the recently expired CBO, both sides have an out where they can walk away

The team can waive the player and stop paying salary, and they often do exercise this right

The player similarly can walk away, giving up salary and other benefits not yet earned, as applicable

So walking away is BUILT IN to these contracts, and it is built in for both sides.

Walking away is an option, and Palmer exercised (is exercising?) his option

So, he's done nothing dishonorable, and he has lived up to the agreement.

[skyline]

That's absurd. The honorable thing would be to play out his contract to the best of his ability. The honorable thing is to be a man, live up to your agreements, and make the best of it.

Actually, the way NFL contracts were written up on the recently expired CBO, both sides have an out where they can walk away

The team can waive the player and stop paying salary, and they often do exercise this right

The player similarly can walk away, giving up salary and other benefits not yet earned, as applicable

So walking away is BUILT IN to these contracts, and it is built in for both sides.

Walking away is an option, and Palmer exercised (is exercising?) his option

So, he's done nothing dishonorable, and he has lived up to the agreement.

Oh, he has every right to quit if he decides to. That's not my argument.

I can quit my teaching position in the middle of the school year should I choose to do so. That doesn't make it the honorable thing to do.

[TJJackson]

Oh, he has every right to quit if he decides to. That's not my argument.

I can quit my teaching position in the middle of the school year should I choose to do so. That doesn't make it the honorable thing to do.

May I equate the end of the football season for this purpose with the end of the school year?

If so, he did not quit in the middle of the season, he quit after the season had been completed.

If you decided to quit teaching, what would be the honorable time to quit - wouldn't it be immediately at the end of the school year, to give your employer the maximum amount of time to seek an adequate replacement?

If your answer is 'Yes' - and I think it will be - then please note, this is exactly what Palmer did.

[derekshank]

If your heart isn't in it anymore, retiring isn't dishonorable.

Likewise, requesting a trade is not, in and of itself, dishonorable (assuming that if your boss says 'no' you accept that answer and go to work).

Saying "Trade me, or I'll retire" is very dishonorable. Palmer isn't looking for the honorable thing to do. He's looking for the easiest course of action... and that's the opposite of honorable.

[skyline]

Oh, he has every right to quit if he decides to. That's not my argument.

I can quit my teaching position in the middle of the school year should I choose to do so. That doesn't make it the honorable thing to do.

May I equate the end of the football season for this purpose with the end of the school year?

If so, he did not quit in the middle of the season, he quit after the season had been completed.

If you decided to quit teaching, what would be the honorable time to quit - wouldn't it be immediately at the end of the school year, to give your employer the maximum amount of time to seek an adequate replacement?

If your answer is 'Yes' - and I think it will be - then please note, this is exactly what Palmer did.

If I were to have (for the most part) the same group of students coming back next year that I had this year, then quitting in the summer would feel to me like I were quitting on that particular group of students that I had started a process with. As it is, in the high school setting, the students that come in next year have no connection or dependence upon me, and wouldn't be at all impacted by my absence. That's why I chose the analogy of quitting in the middle of the school year as opposed to over the summer.

Of course, I do agree that Palmer quitting after the season is certainly preferrable to quitting mid-season. No argument there.

But we've heard him tell these guys (and the fans) that he was commited to doing everything he could to take them to the Super Bowl. Now he seems to have changed his mind. It's like a marriage that ends in the typical line of "Sorry, I know I said I'd live my entire life with you, but I just don't love you anymore". So, they just take the easy road out and leave rather than staying and trying to work things out.

But hey, Palmer may have some absolute iron clad reason for why he's doing what he's doing. I'm not here to cast ultimate judgment on the guy. At the same time, I don't see any evidence to attach an "honorable" label to the him, either.

[princeton]

it's a bummer because Bengals tried to build an offense to suit his talents. now, they need different sorts of players to play WCO.

but I admire that he's putting his money where his head is, and gave the Bengals a heads-up before they hired a new OC and before draft occurred.

[redsbengalsbucks]

Can we just move on from Palmer, please.

Oh and F**K Palmer!!!

[ArmyBengal]

You're wrong on this one Army, Palmer is garbage. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at this point in his career. He's gun shy and falling apart.

If my source is correct, Palmer will be forced into retirement. The Bengals have already shopped him, we're not getting a 1st rnd pick. He'll either suit up for camp and compete for a postition, contribute, or he will be forced to retire. He has a contract to honor.

If he does go into retirement, what happens to his contract? Can we get money back?

I've never said this is what's GOING TO HAPPEN, only giving perspective on what could happen should they put him on the market and how other teams will view Palmer. There's no reason to think they couldn't get a first for him and to say he's garbage and couldn't hit the broad side of the barn is hate on your part and not based on anything other than that.

He's gun shy and falling apart, but when looking at his two seasons FOLLOWING his elbow injury you will find he's been in the top half of the league with passing yards and TD's. Explain that please. Would it surprise you to know that only 5 QB's threw for more passing yards than Palmer last year and not one was named, Rodgers, Brady, or Ryan ?? Would it also surprise you to know he's in the top 10 with passing TD's in the two seasons combined SINCE his injury ??

Again, I don't like his INT's or decision making, but no one here can account for what truly happens on the field.

You have nothing to back up your claims.

The only thing Mike Brown does by not being willing to get rid of malcontents who no longer wish to be here is continually set the team back. It's funny that people always want to look to the Patriots and other solid teams when it comes to how they draft, but conveniently fail to recognize those same teams get rid of guys on the downside, troubled, or no longer want to be there.

[HairOnFire]

The rumors floating around suggest the possibility, I obviously don't know how teams might value Palmer in trade. It doesn't make any difference though. A 7th round pick would be better than nothing.

I could NOT disagree more strongly.

The trade compensation does make a difference.....and I doubt very much the Bengals would bother responding to any trade offer that didn't include at least one very high draft pick. Less, and the Bengals are very well served by allowing Palmer to end his own career.