Tampa Bengal Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Does anybody know if there are any Defensive Tackles the Bengals are planning to add since Gardner didn't pan out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 not unless someone is released during training camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cover2 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 What are the chances of the Bengals picking up a DT before the season starts?Are there any teams out there that might be cutting DT? It's really to bad its come to this. We had our chance...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 The Bills are likely to cut 2 from last year's roster.I wish one would be Sam Adams but seriously doubt it at this point.More likely would be Ron Edwards, who started before Adams was signed last year.Edwards was a restricted free agent this year but re-signed by the Bills. I get confused by the waiver wire rules so I'm not sure if Edwards is considered to have four years experience and not subject to waiver rules. Or if the losing order of teams from 2003 get to choose before he could be considered by the Bengals unless he cleared waivers, which I doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Defensive Tackle is the one position that really has me worried.BTW does anybody know if Gardener has offically filed for retirement yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 BTW does anybody know if Gardener has offically filed for retirement yet ? Well if he failed the Bengals team physical, and WE passed on him...he might as well go ahead with it. Who's crazy enough to take the chance on him if Cincy won't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Bengal Posted July 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 What about older guys like Chester McGlockton, Sean Gilbert, Dana Stubblefield and dare I say it Darrell Russell. I know most are old or should be in jail but I don't think these guys have signed with anybody. It wouldn't hurt to give them the vet's min. and see what they got left in the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Uhhhh, no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 We would be better giving a younger guy someone cuts a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 BTW does anybody know if Gardener has offically filed for retirement yet ?Well if he failed the Bengals team physical, and WE passed on him...he might as well go ahead with it. Who's crazy enough to take the chance on him if Cincy won't? For the answer to your question, refer to the NFL heading and check out " The Browns bag a bust" :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Right now it look like the Bengals will have to hope that a DT falls into their lap as a cap casualty, the deadline to sign a FA without ties to the former team passed on 7/22. Not that anyone worthy was left.However, they could have a darkhorse with their 4th rd pick. nfl.com has a preview of all 32 teams going into their camps and if you click on that link,select the Bengals from the team list and click on Askew's name you get a bio on him. Sounds like he could be a good prospect if the Bengals are able to improve on another weakpoint...player development.Here's the link for Askew's Bio http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/matthias_askewThe Bengals camp preview is: http://www.nfl.com/teams/primer/CIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Here's the link for Askew's Bio http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/matthias_askewThis is the reason why Marvin doesn't have his panties wadded up in a knot like most the guys around here about the defensive line. He knows something we don't. Most guys around here don't think Marvin would call on a rookie to start. I beg to differ, on BOTH sides of the ball! Rookies can and will start in the NFL. Why should the Bengals be any different? In Marvin I Trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staticx682004 Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Here's the link for Askew's Bio http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/matthias_askewThis is the reason why Marvin doesn't have his panties wadded up in a knot like most the guys around here about the defensive line. He knows something we don't. Most guys around here don't think Marvin would call on a rookie to start. I beg to differ, on BOTH sides of the ball! Rookies can and will start in the NFL. Why should the Bengals be any different? In Marvin I Trust. Great point........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cover2 Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Askew had better come through with schedule the Bengals have in the coming season. They will be playing much better rushing teams than the Cleveland Browns and the two LB's sitting on the bench from the 2004 draft are going to be looking on and alot of people are going to be wondering where's the beef. Frankly, I hope Askew can step up but.......Tony Williams will be older than he was last year and last year he was old.You can trust in Marvin all you want that doesn't mean he can fly......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 The Bills are likely to cut 2 from last year's roster.I wish one would be Sam Adams but seriously doubt it at this point.More likely would be Ron Edwards, who started before Adams was signed last year.Edwards was a restricted free agent this year but re-signed by the Bills. I get confused by the waiver wire rules so I'm not sure if Edwards is considered to have four years experience and not subject to waiver rules. Or if the losing order of teams from 2003 get to choose before he could be considered by the Bengals unless he cleared waivers, which I doubt. Sorry the bills are definately not releasing Sam Adams, and probably wont release edwards either. It will be Pat and Sam. We will probably keep Oliver Gibson and our 3rd round pick Tim Anderson and probably keep Ron Edwards. I bet we release Justin Bannan and Lauvale Sape, two people who the bills can do with out, you can take those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian5562 Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 you are going to need all the D you can get with Bledsoe and Henry being the turnover machines they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 The Bills are likely to cut 2 from last year's roster.I wish one would be Sam Adams but seriously doubt it at this point.More likely would be Ron Edwards, who started before Adams was signed last year.Edwards was a restricted free agent this year but re-signed by the Bills. I get confused by the waiver wire rules so I'm not sure if Edwards is considered to have four years experience and not subject to waiver rules. Or if the losing order of teams from 2003 get to choose before he could be considered by the Bengals unless he cleared waivers, which I doubt.Sorry the bills are definately not releasing Sam Adams, and probably wont release edwards either. It will be Pat and Sam. We will probably keep Oliver Gibson and our 3rd round pick Tim Anderson and probably keep Ron Edwards. I bet we release Justin Bannan and Lauvale Sape, two people who the bills can do with out, you can take those guys. It's strange to me that Adams name keeps coming up. If Lewis had wanted him, we'd have signed him last year when he was here and said that he'd like to play for the Bengals and coach Lewis. The other two that you mentioned aren't any great shakes, but Pat Williams would look good in stripes. Other than that, Adams didn't get a job here ....... Gibson we set out by the curb ...... Spikes ( while good ) got sent packing ... and Gibson we pulled out of talking with too. You can also add LeBeau to the list of people that you got from us. Don't know what the hell you guys were thinking on that one.No ..... overall, I think we're OK with the guys we got .. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cover2 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 The Bengals wanted alot of guys they didn't sign....I'm sure everyone will agree or was all that posturing this past spring just a mirage? In 2005 Marvin should be able to get the missing pieces, hopefully.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 The Cowboys tossed Willie Blade on the DT junkpile today. 6-3, 315, 25 years old, 3rd round pick in 2001. Had some weight issues (ballooned up to 355 at one point) but got it under control and played for Dallas last year. According to the Dallas papers his playing time lessened as the season wore on as other guys showed more improvement (from the Dallas Morning News):Blade started 15 games at nose tackle last season, but the improvement of defensive tackles Leo Carson, Daleroy Stewart and Jermaine Brooks apparently made him expendable.Blade had 16 tackles (5 solo) and one sack last season. He looked strong early in the season, but his playing time diminished as players such as Carson and Stewart emerged.His Dallas profile is here, at least for now: http://www.dallascowboys.com/profile_blade_willie.cfmBlade is a physical player that plays the run well from either the nose tackle or defensive tackle position.Sounds like he'd be worth a look...unlikely to be "the answer" but like the old saying goes, beggars can't be choosers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 The Cowboys tossed Willie Blade on the DT junkpile today. 6-3, 315, 25 years old, 3rd round pick in 2001. Had some weight issues (ballooned up to 355 at one point) but got it under control and played for Dallas last year. According to the Dallas papers his playing time lessened as the season wore on as other guys showed more improvement (from the Dallas Morning News):Blade started 15 games at nose tackle last season, but the improvement of defensive tackles Leo Carson, Daleroy Stewart and Jermaine Brooks apparently made him expendable.Blade had 16 tackles (5 solo) and one sack last season. He looked strong early in the season, but his playing time diminished as players such as Carson and Stewart emerged.His Dallas profile is here, at least for now: http://www.dallascowboys.com/profile_blade_willie.cfmBlade is a physical player that plays the run well from either the nose tackle or defensive tackle position.Sounds like he'd be worth a look...unlikely to be "the answer" but like the old saying goes, beggars can't be choosers... It would be interesting to see if the team picked him up off of waivers...But I don't think Marvin is interested in adding someone if they aren't gonna add some real challenge at the postition. But if he's half way decent I would be surprised to see him last down to us on the waiver list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Spikes ( while good ) got sent packing ... Ya just shows what a change of scenery can do for a player... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Spikes ( while good ) got sent packing ...Ya just shows what a change of scenery can do for a player... Why? His change did nothing for him except get the media whore some attention. If anything I'd say his play wasn't as good for the Bills as it was for the Bengals...He had one great game last year and after that he was average and this was surrounded by a load of better talent than he had when he was an Bengal.But he helped us get three good free agents and a third round draft pick, so I ain't complaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 The Cowboys tossed Willie Blade on the DT junkpile today. 6-3, 315, 25 years old, 3rd round pick in 2001. Had some weight issues (ballooned up to 355 at one point) but got it under control and played for Dallas last year. According to the Dallas papers his playing time lessened as the season wore on as other guys showed more improvement (from the Dallas Morning News):Blade started 15 games at nose tackle last season, but the improvement of defensive tackles Leo Carson, Daleroy Stewart and Jermaine Brooks apparently made him expendable.Blade had 16 tackles (5 solo) and one sack last season. He looked strong early in the season, but his playing time diminished as players such as Carson and Stewart emerged.His Dallas profile is here, at least for now: http://www.dallascowboys.com/profile_blade_willie.cfmBlade is a physical player that plays the run well from either the nose tackle or defensive tackle position.Sounds like he'd be worth a look...unlikely to be "the answer" but like the old saying goes, beggars can't be choosers... Sounds to me like Willie's a nutcase too. Nah--forget that one too. That's a waste of time and bling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 I don't see any evidence he's a nutcase -- lots of DTs have problems keeping their weight under control, for instance -- but I also don't see any evidence he'd be much more than a younger version of Steele. And it's likely more DTs of his type (big run-stuffers of middling ability) will shake loose as camps progress. (And it's more likely that the better ones will be cut later rather than sooner.) So if they pass, fine. I'm jut trying to keep track of what's out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Even a Justin Bannan or Willie Blades looks good at this point. Any DT with actual game experience plus NFL starts under their belts seems like an upgrade to the DT rotation. But the comp at camp has got to be intense for the three backup DT spots. I trust ML will bring out the best from McCleary, Askew, and Moore. It'll be interesting to see how those three fare vs. the Bucs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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