Note to Carson

[HairOnFire]

I simply think he's going to have a career type of season.

I think so too, but he still probably won't put up the numbers we saw in '05 and '06. The Bengals will likely try to repeat last year's success in the ball-control offense, so the passing yardage and touchdowns aren't likely to pile up at any torrent pace.

I agree to a point. But if the passing game clicks early there's no reason Palmer shouldn't have a 3,500 - 4,000 yard passing season simply because of the weapons he now has on 3rd down. Building around a ball control running game is something I strongly favor, but Palmer now has the 3rd down weapons he needs to be far more successful extending drives. And that's playmaking in it's most basic form, right?

As for the other rantings in this thread? Put me in the camp that sees absolutely nothing with Palmer's arm, a concern of many at seasons end. And I see nothing wrong with his accuracy that a little better play by Chad couldn't easily cure. As for high passes and wideouts flailing about like fools? Chad has spoken at length about how his and Palmers game of pitch and catch is based primarily upon throwing on time to a spot. or if you prefer, putting a perfectly timed ball in a very exact spot where it can't be defended. And on the other end, the heigth of a pass, be it high or low, was said to have mattered not a bit to Chad, a player who I remind the reader once made the leaping dead-leg catch his defacto trademark.

[ArmyBengal]

I have no issue with Carson at all and if the thought is to put the ball only where his guy can get it, then fine.

I guess I would just prefer that not be a high placed ball that, if not caught, can get picked off easier.

Overall, I'm still not concerned one way or another and will let the season play itself out in hopes of great things !!!

[BengalPimp]

http://www.nfl.com/v...le=HP_headlines

And I really don't get the part about the loose helmet. Seems to happen a couple of times a game.

I guess its not the cool thing to do anymore

Somebody might want to mention to him that the new NFL rules change for 2010 is that as soon as a player/runner's helmet comes off the play is whistled dead. Granted most times it comes off its because he gets layed out, but still.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/8/10/1615408/2010-nfl-rule-changes-when-a

[HairOnFire]

The only trend I'm seeing is the same one I watched last season. Throw to Chad and the odds the ball will be intercepted are doubled. That's a fact based upon a full season of play, not just a single bad game. Oh, and the season prior was a tank job, right? Furthermore, it's a negative trend that now continues into the next season despite current gameplans dictating Palmer focus heavily upon new guys like Owens, Gresham, and Shipley. Last, Chad's rate of penalty is twice that of his Top20 WR peers.

It's not the QB.

[MrSwaggins]

Agreed. This is the year of no excuses. WHO DEY

[ArmyBengal]

Agreed. This is the year of no excuses. WHO DEY

Welcome to the board Swag !!!

[bengalhorn]

CHILD PLEASE Chad TO and Antonio out wide and Ced B in the backfield.... this offense should be too cold... carson will be held liable with this offense

[bwillycuse]

The only trend I'm seeing is the same one I watched last season. Throw to Chad and the odds the ball will be intercepted are doubled. That's a fact based upon a full season of play, not just a single bad game. Oh, and the season prior was a tank job, right? Furthermore, it's a negative trend that now continues into the next season despite current gameplans dictating Palmer focus heavily upon new guys like Owens, Gresham, and Shipley. Last, Chad's rate of penalty is twice that of his Top20 WR peers.

It's not the QB.

But I would assume that the most targeted receiver on any team would then raise the odds of an interception thrown in his direction. Just like the odds of Benson having more fumbles than Scott are HUGE. And that Chad will have more drops than Simpson.

The more passes a QB throw increases the odds of an interception.

No its not the QB all the time but I'm sure the safety wasn't cheating towards Caldwell or Coles when Palmer steps back to pass.

[HairOnFire]

But I would assume that the most targeted receiver on any team would then raise the odds of an interception thrown in his direction. Just like the odds of Benson having more fumbles than Scott are HUGE. And that Chad will have more drops than Simpson.

Nope. The rate of interception is based upon the average number of throws per interception, not the total of interceptions. And there's the rub because throwing to Chad results in interceptions twice as often as when throwing to all of the other wideouts.

Beyond crappy route running, inconsistent effort, and the number of deflected passes that are picked off the only plausible explanation I can think of that might explain the outcome has to do with Chad being the #1 wideout rather than any of the lesser players. As a result of that standing it's fairly easy to imagine a scenario where Palmer more often trusts Chad to make the correct hot read and route adjustment. But even if true you have to look at the results and wonder if it's prudent to continue giving Chad that type of freedom. Because not only are Palmer and he not producing the same kind of "hot read" success as a Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison once did....their now familiar game of pitch and catch seems increasing forced and unproductive.

[bwillycuse]

Not sure where the stat is for rate of interception/pass thrown to is at but yes, that would be the correct stat. Id like to see that breakdown vs other No1 wr in the league. Not the odds of an interception per player thrown to as a whole.

Im not going to take any preseason productivity into account for this discussion.

Comparing manning/harrison to palmer/CJ is unfair to Palmer. Manning is already in the Hall of Fame and maybe the best QB of all time.

Palmer is not even close to Manning. Manning's touch and field vision is amazing.

But I agree that Chad and Palmer arent as productive as they were in 2005/6, but there are more forces at play than Chad just being the reason.

As a D Coordinator last year, Chad was the only wr that i would gameplan against.

The year before sucked for a myriad of reason and Palmer didnt really play so throw it out. Neither did Chad. - But Carson/Chad duo wasnt there.

The year before Chad had a great year. 93/1440/8

The year before that Chad had a great year.87/1370/7

This year I think both are on notice. Both have a lot to prove. Both will have no excuses. Less doubles for Ocho. Nice weapons for Carson.

[HairOnFire]

Not sure where the stat is for rate of interception/pass thrown to is at but yes, that would be the correct stat. Id like to see that breakdown vs other No1 wr in the league. Not the odds of an interception per player thrown to as a whole.

Sorry, I can't help ya. The website where the stats were posted is no longer free access and I'm not willing to pay for minutia....no matter how much I love it.

[COB]

Beyond crappy route running, inconsistent effort, and the number of deflected passes that are picked off

All true but he has a tv career to think about.