Quan Cosby

[HairOnFire]

and if Quan gets injured.......uh, dont you need a backup?

They had backups already. And again, Quan was already on the roster, costs almost nothing, and played so well he should have been given more opportunities as a WR....something that won't happen now. And there's the rub because this team isn't developing any of the wideouts on it's roster.

C'mon tho - how can it be a bad thing for a player to be versatile?

It isn't. But again, how important are Shipley's return skills to a team that already has a top returner on the roster? Furthermore, Shipley's ability as a returner, his higher cost, and the playing time he'll be given actually reduce Cosby's value to the team.

I'd ask you to be reasonable but we know that ain't happenin anytime soon :-)

Here's a question. Since you've been my bottom bitch for years...how come you've never adopted my avatar as a sign of respect? The reason I ask is because the Pimp has only punked you for a week or so, right? But there you are, wearing his brand.

I tell ya' it ain't right.

[TJJackson]

They had backups already. And again, Quan was already on the roster, costs almost nothing, and played so well he should have been given more opportunities as a WR....something that won't happen now. And there's the rub because this team isn't developing any of the wideouts on it's roster.

Ok, I get you now, and I agree

That said, as a general principle, I still like having more than one guy able to return punts, kicks, etc. I can see where picking up a backup to that role has less value than picking up the starter, but you do still need that backup.

I too want to see them develop Caldwell - who I think can be a capable #1 or #2 in time, and Cosby. People make light of Cosby because he was a UDCFA, but personally? I completely forget his draft position (same as with Housh) when I saw the production on the field.

As far as draftign all these receivers - I hate it too, but I know (believe? pray?) they are also trying to find Prancing Princess Chadly's replacement. I want him replaced. Gone. History. Knowing that there is a chance - however small - that one of these guys will step up and be a star and make OchoNoShow expendable makes those picks a bit more worthwhile.

Here's a question. Since you've been my bottom bitch for years...how come you've never adopted my avatar as a sign of respect?

*laff*

I lost a bet with Pimp, ergo I 'wear' his avatar for a week. No intent to show respect to the Pimp, just honoring a bet lost :-)

I tell ya' it ain't right.

Send cash, my avatar space can be bought. Cheap.

[Kazkal]

And I don't see how it's a much of a positive if somebody on the team is already filling the role very capably.

Who?Caldwell was solid but not nearly the slot receiver TJ was & not only that but give Caldwell more chances on the outside.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

If Shipley can do the same things Caldwell does, but actually make big catches and not drop them, and be an upgrade there, then I'm all for it. The WR depth and potential was woeful and adding Bryant wasn't enough.

Shipley's injury history is really the only concern I have, and would've been fine with drafting Gilyard there as well.

If someone doesn't like the pick, fine, but if he does well and earns the pick then I'm not sure why that's a problem.

As for the Quan Cosby love, I don't really get it, but you certainly give him a chance to keep his spot.

[BengalPimp]

Well with us taking 2 WR"s in the draft and a returner in shipley seen a few posts about Quan being the oddman out...Just my own opinion but I think it's a no brainer keeping him on even if he isn't the returner because of his special teams play...The 6th WR/5th Gameday tends be a special teamer so really feel He'll edge out a mattjones,Simpson or one of the other "larger" targets.

watching the shipley Highlight reminded me of the Quans block for him where he destroys the guy about to get shipley from behind

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=M459eZERP4E then blocking like in the steelers game for Bernards Touchdown

Dude that second video ROCKED!! Ben Roethlisberger on his a$$ time after time, Carson Palmer finding players breaking open, Shayne Graham actually hitting clutch kicks...

Is this what Heaven is like?

No Billy, your sig (below) is what Heaven is like

[BengalPimp]

BengalPimp Junior

Hey, just tryin to honor losing a bet..... :-)

damn right!

[BengalPimp]

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[BengalPimp]

Here's a question. Since you've been my bottom bitch for years...how come you've never adopted my avatar as a sign of respect?

*laff*

I lost a bet with Pimp, ergo I 'wear' his avatar for a week. No intent to show respect to the Pimp, just honoring a bet lost :-)

No intent to show respect????? So that's how you treat daddy???? Huh Junior????

[Kazkal]

As for the Quan Cosby love, I don't really get it, but you certainly give him a chance to keep his spot.

For the same reason I pimped Hubert last year special teams,theres 3 phases we need be good at and if we don't have special teamers like Hubert & quan you notice.

[TJJackson]

As for the Quan Cosby love, I don't really get it

Watch the video of the blocking Quan did in Bernard's TD return - its included in one of the posts above.

Then go look up Quan's PR avg and compare it to other 'star' punt returners in the league

Then come back and comment more

[Spor_tees]

When it comes to roster spots there is always a pinch to keep the most flexible players that can adequately fill the most roles. With the large number of receivers coming into camp, I can't see them using a roster spot exclusively on a punt returner when Shipley can do just as well as Cosby if not better. I liked what Cosby gave the Bengals last year...but last year the Bengals weren't as deep at receiver as they are going into this year (theoretically).

You expect Ocho and Bryant to be the only locks to make the team, followed then by Caldwell and Shipley to be next nearest to locks. After that it leaves 2 more spots between Matt Jones, Jerome Simpson, Quan Cosby, Maurice Purify, Dezmond Briscoe, Chris Davis, and Freddie Brown. Personally, as long as Matt Jones can keep his nose out of the snow, he makes the team. He is big, fast, and gives the Bengals that TJ type of receiver they missed last year. After that it is a crap shoot for the 6th spot. In my opinion Briscoe makes the team because of his combination of size and speed, and the fact that Shipley can take Cosby's spot returning punts. The only way Cosby makes the last roster spot is if Briscoe drops a turd on the field during training camp, or there is an injury to one of the other top 5 receivers.

[derekshank]

I liked what Cosby gave the Bengals last year...but last year the Bengals weren't as deep at receiver as they are going into this year (theoretically).

All the more reason to keep him. The better the talent at the top of the depth chart, the less need there is for a guy at the bottom to play. So, why fill out the bottom of the depth chart with guys who can't play special teams? Matt Jones and Jerome Simpson would just be wasting space, getting little to no meaningful snaps, as well as being unable to contribute on special teams.

Cosby was a stud last year, both as a punt returner (he led the league in yards, and had the same average as Cribbs), as well as a hard working role player on kickoffs. Why cut him in a favor of a guy who won't see the field?

The depth chart I hope to see is:

Chad, Bryant, Shipley, Caldwell, Cosby, Purify.

Cosby and Purify have proven they can do the job on the field in a pinch, but also excel as special teams players. It would not be wise to cut them in favor of guys that, although might have more upside as pure WRs, will never be asked to do a damn thing to earn their paychecks.

[Spor_tees]

I liked what Cosby gave the Bengals last year...but last year the Bengals weren't as deep at receiver as they are going into this year (theoretically).

All the more reason to keep him. The better the talent at the top of the depth chart, the less need there is for a guy at the bottom to play. So, why fill out the bottom of the depth chart with guys who can't play special teams? Matt Jones and Jerome Simpson would just be wasting space, getting little to no meaningful snaps, as well as being unable to contribute on special teams.

Cosby was a stud last year, both as a punt returner (he led the league in yards, and had the same average as Cribbs), as well as a hard working role player on kickoffs. Why cut him in a favor of a guy who won't see the field?

Who said Matt Jones wouldn't see the field? Ocho is due for an injury at this point and Bryant is coming off injury from last year. You need guys that can step and fill receiver roles. Cosby is strictly a slot receiver and can not fill either Ocho's or Bryant's roles on the outside. Shipley is pretty much in the same boat, taking on the Wes Welker role. You got to have some big back-up receivers who can step up if/when injuries happen.

[derekshank]

I liked what Cosby gave the Bengals last year...but last year the Bengals weren't as deep at receiver as they are going into this year (theoretically).

All the more reason to keep him. The better the talent at the top of the depth chart, the less need there is for a guy at the bottom to play. So, why fill out the bottom of the depth chart with guys who can't play special teams? Matt Jones and Jerome Simpson would just be wasting space, getting little to no meaningful snaps, as well as being unable to contribute on special teams.

Cosby was a stud last year, both as a punt returner (he led the league in yards, and had the same average as Cribbs), as well as a hard working role player on kickoffs. Why cut him in a favor of a guy who won't see the field?

Who said Matt Jones wouldn't see the field? Ocho is due for an injury at this point and Bryant is coming off injury from last year. You need guys that can step and fill receiver roles. Cosby is strictly a slot receiver and can not fill either Ocho's or Bryant's roles on the outside. Shipley is pretty much in the same boat, taking on the Wes Welker role. You got to have some big back-up receivers who can step up if/when injuries happen.

Alright...

We're agreed that Chad and Bryant are 1 and 2. The Bengals also have Caldwell who caught 51 passes last year, and drafted a WR in the 3rd round to be a 3rd WR. That's 4. Then they drafted another WR one on top of that in the 6th. That should be all the information you need on their faith in Matt Jones.

Here are a couple quotes made about Matt Jones' workout:

“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen. I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast. He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

Why anyone thinks he's going to make the team is beyond me... let alone actually be a contributer.

[Sea Ray]

Funny how the Bengals got heat for passing on Dez but they also get heat for overstocking the WR position.

I must say I really like Shipley but I too wondered how much of an upgrade he is over what we've got. I think Marvin and Co were so frustrated at the lack of production from WR that they've decided to throw so many players up against the wall that some have to stick. I fear that the WR coach is the problem and if that's the case then we're sunk no matter who they draft or keep.

I will say this for Shipley, he pulled down big catches for Texas in tough games when everyone on the field knew the ball was going to him.

This will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out. This also doesn't show much confidence in Jones who they recently signed

[Trevor]

I liked what Cosby gave the Bengals last year...but last year the Bengals weren't as deep at receiver as they are going into this year (theoretically).

All the more reason to keep him. The better the talent at the top of the depth chart, the less need there is for a guy at the bottom to play. So, why fill out the bottom of the depth chart with guys who can't play special teams? Matt Jones and Jerome Simpson would just be wasting space, getting little to no meaningful snaps, as well as being unable to contribute on special teams.

Cosby was a stud last year, both as a punt returner (he led the league in yards, and had the same average as Cribbs), as well as a hard working role player on kickoffs. Why cut him in a favor of a guy who won't see the field?

Who said Matt Jones wouldn't see the field? Ocho is due for an injury at this point and Bryant is coming off injury from last year. You need guys that can step and fill receiver roles. Cosby is strictly a slot receiver and can not fill either Ocho's or Bryant's roles on the outside. Shipley is pretty much in the same boat, taking on the Wes Welker role. You got to have some big back-up receivers who can step up if/when injuries happen.

Alright...

We're agreed that Chad and Bryant are 1 and 2. The Bengals also have Caldwell who caught 51 passes last year, and drafted a WR in the 3rd round to be a 3rd WR. That's 4. Then they drafted another WR one on top of that in the 6th. That should be all the information you need on their faith in Matt Jones.

Here are a couple quotes made about Matt Jones' workout:

“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen. I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast. He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

Why anyone thinks he's going to make the team is beyond me... let alone actually be a contributer.

Even if all that is true, the guy (if 08 form) is a first down machine and his size helps him emmensely. He'll make this squad!

[derekshank]

This will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out. This also doesn't show much confidence in Jones who they recently signed

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

On the money. Matt Jones will not be a Bengal this year, and I'll be surprised if he's in the NFL.

The Jags say he never really put forth the effort to be a good player in the NFL. Then he sat out a year, and had one of the worst workouts ever seen by the Bengals coaching staff... proving that he hasn't exactly changed his work ethic during his time off.

They signed him despite the workout because he's big and tall, and had an outside hope that with some TLC, he might become a redzone threat. They just drafted the biggest best redzone threat in the draft in the 1st round, and then used two more picks on WRs.

Jones is a goner.

[derekshank]

I liked what Cosby gave the Bengals last year...but last year the Bengals weren't as deep at receiver as they are going into this year (theoretically).

All the more reason to keep him. The better the talent at the top of the depth chart, the less need there is for a guy at the bottom to play. So, why fill out the bottom of the depth chart with guys who can't play special teams? Matt Jones and Jerome Simpson would just be wasting space, getting little to no meaningful snaps, as well as being unable to contribute on special teams.

Cosby was a stud last year, both as a punt returner (he led the league in yards, and had the same average as Cribbs), as well as a hard working role player on kickoffs. Why cut him in a favor of a guy who won't see the field?

Who said Matt Jones wouldn't see the field? Ocho is due for an injury at this point and Bryant is coming off injury from last year. You need guys that can step and fill receiver roles. Cosby is strictly a slot receiver and can not fill either Ocho's or Bryant's roles on the outside. Shipley is pretty much in the same boat, taking on the Wes Welker role. You got to have some big back-up receivers who can step up if/when injuries happen.

Alright...

We're agreed that Chad and Bryant are 1 and 2. The Bengals also have Caldwell who caught 51 passes last year, and drafted a WR in the 3rd round to be a 3rd WR. That's 4. Then they drafted another WR one on top of that in the 6th. That should be all the information you need on their faith in Matt Jones.

Here are a couple quotes made about Matt Jones' workout:

“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen. I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast. He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

Why anyone thinks he's going to make the team is beyond me... let alone actually be a contributer.

Even if all that is true, the guy (if 08 form) is a first down machine and his size helps him emmensely. He'll make this squad!

Care to make a wager?

[Spor_tees]

I liked what Cosby gave the Bengals last year...but last year the Bengals weren't as deep at receiver as they are going into this year (theoretically).

All the more reason to keep him. The better the talent at the top of the depth chart, the less need there is for a guy at the bottom to play. So, why fill out the bottom of the depth chart with guys who can't play special teams? Matt Jones and Jerome Simpson would just be wasting space, getting little to no meaningful snaps, as well as being unable to contribute on special teams.

Cosby was a stud last year, both as a punt returner (he led the league in yards, and had the same average as Cribbs), as well as a hard working role player on kickoffs. Why cut him in a favor of a guy who won't see the field?

Who said Matt Jones wouldn't see the field? Ocho is due for an injury at this point and Bryant is coming off injury from last year. You need guys that can step and fill receiver roles. Cosby is strictly a slot receiver and can not fill either Ocho's or Bryant's roles on the outside. Shipley is pretty much in the same boat, taking on the Wes Welker role. You got to have some big back-up receivers who can step up if/when injuries happen.

Alright...

We're agreed that Chad and Bryant are 1 and 2. The Bengals also have Caldwell who caught 51 passes last year, and drafted a WR in the 3rd round to be a 3rd WR. That's 4. Then they drafted another WR one on top of that in the 6th. That should be all the information you need on their faith in Matt Jones.

Here are a couple quotes made about Matt Jones' workout:

“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen. I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast. He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

Why anyone thinks he's going to make the team is beyond me... let alone actually be a contributer.

Well my reasoning for Matt Jones making the team is A. He was good enough to be a first round draft pick and B. His last full year in the league (2008) he had 65 catches for 761 yards despite playing for a run happy team with a second tier QB. Another plus for Jones is that the Bengals passing offense is based on throwing to spots and not free-style routes. With Carson Palmer throwing to the over-sized Jones (6'6" 218lbs) I am optimistic that he will be successful whenever he gets on the field.

Now since you brought up Caldwell, I will tell you why I believe he will never be a #1 or #2 receiver. He simply doesn't have the nerves for it. He drops passes at critical times, and tries to do too much after the catch and fumbles. I know you will bring up the two game winning catches he had, but those don't equal out to all the drops and fumbles he has had in his short career. Do you already forget the fumbled kick-off return against the Raiders in the closing seconds of the game that cost the Bengals a possible victory? He will never be more than a #3 and I would not feel comfortable with him stepping in for an injured Ocho or Bryant like I would with Jones.

[Spor_tees]

This will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out. This also doesn't show much confidence in Jones who they recently signed

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

On the money. Matt Jones will not be a Bengal this year, and I'll be surprised if he's in the NFL.

The Jags say he never really put forth the effort to be a good player in the NFL. Then he sat out a year, and had one of the worst workouts ever seen by the Bengals coaching staff... proving that he hasn't exactly changed his work ethic during his time off.

They signed him despite the workout because he's big and tall, and had an outside hope that with some TLC, he might become a redzone threat. They just drafted the biggest best redzone threat in the draft in the 1st round, and then used two more picks on WRs.

Jones is a goner.

So if he had the worst try-out ever why would the Bengals waste even a dime on the guy? They could have brought in Galloway or even TO for that matter. He didn't sit out a year on his own...I believe it was a year long suspension from the league?

[Trevor]

I liked what Cosby gave the Bengals last year...but last year the Bengals weren't as deep at receiver as they are going into this year (theoretically).

All the more reason to keep him. The better the talent at the top of the depth chart, the less need there is for a guy at the bottom to play. So, why fill out the bottom of the depth chart with guys who can't play special teams? Matt Jones and Jerome Simpson would just be wasting space, getting little to no meaningful snaps, as well as being unable to contribute on special teams.

Cosby was a stud last year, both as a punt returner (he led the league in yards, and had the same average as Cribbs), as well as a hard working role player on kickoffs. Why cut him in a favor of a guy who won't see the field?

Who said Matt Jones wouldn't see the field? Ocho is due for an injury at this point and Bryant is coming off injury from last year. You need guys that can step and fill receiver roles. Cosby is strictly a slot receiver and can not fill either Ocho's or Bryant's roles on the outside. Shipley is pretty much in the same boat, taking on the Wes Welker role. You got to have some big back-up receivers who can step up if/when injuries happen.

Alright...

We're agreed that Chad and Bryant are 1 and 2. The Bengals also have Caldwell who caught 51 passes last year, and drafted a WR in the 3rd round to be a 3rd WR. That's 4. Then they drafted another WR one on top of that in the 6th. That should be all the information you need on their faith in Matt Jones.

Here are a couple quotes made about Matt Jones' workout:

“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen. I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast. He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

Why anyone thinks he's going to make the team is beyond me... let alone actually be a contributer.

Even if all that is true, the guy (if 08 form) is a first down machine and his size helps him emmensely. He'll make this squad!

Care to make a wager?

Absolutely!,.. Stakes?.. ill let you choose your fate

[TJJackson]

my reasoning for Matt Jones making the team is A. He was good enough to be a first round draft pick

Some other folks who were 'good enough to be a first round pick'

Akili "Wonderlic" Smith

David "Fetal Position" Klingler

Two Carry Perry

ViJayJay Carter

Rickey Dixon

Jason Buck

Joe Kelly

[Kazkal]

When it comes to roster spots there is always a pinch to keep the most flexible players that can adequately fill the most roles. With the large number of receivers coming into camp, I can't see them using a roster spot exclusively on a punt returner when Shipley can do just as well as Cosby if not better.

This is the thing I've alrdy written Cosby off as not being the returner but Thats not his only value,He's plays all Special teams he's a superb blocker a willing tackler and after a stint of really bad special teams,Bengals have shown their willing to give a spot for pure special teamer like Hubert...Not only that but if team decides they don't want shipeley to return (risk injury if he has big role in offense) then they still have a very good returner in cosby available..

Matt Jones can keep his nose out of the snow, he makes the team. He is big, fast, and gives the Bengals that TJ type of receiver they missed last year. After that it is a crap shoot for the 6th spot. I

How is he a TJ Type WR? TJ wasn't fast nor was he 6'6 He was a guy who always could get open...not only that but Shipley was drafted to be TJ's true heir so...doesn't look like they value Matt as a TJ type WR =P

In my opinion Briscoe makes the team because of his combination of size and speed,

Well Maybe not so much speed but I agree hence why I'm saying good bye to Matt Jones & Jerome Simpson...Briscoe & Caldwell can be Byrant & Chads backups Quan can be Shipleys.

The only way Cosby makes the last roster spot is if Briscoe drops a turd on the field during training camp,

Gotta Disagree the 6th spot on Depth Chart at WR is someone who can play the Teams Jones can't play a lick of special teams,Jerome can't play Special teams if anyone truthfully is gonna beat out Quan it's Purify because they think his role as a gunner is more important.

Here are a couple quotes made about Matt Jones' workout:

“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen. I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast. He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

Why anyone thinks he's going to make the team is beyond me... let alone actually be a contributer.

Mmhmmmmm go derek go!

[Trevor]

This will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out. This also doesn't show much confidence in Jones who they recently signed

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

On the money. Matt Jones will not be a Bengal this year, and I'll be surprised if he's in the NFL.

The Jags say he never really put forth the effort to be a good player in the NFL. Then he sat out a year, and had one of the worst workouts ever seen by the Bengals coaching staff... proving that he hasn't exactly changed his work ethic during his time off.

They signed him despite the workout because he's big and tall, and had an outside hope that with some TLC, he might become a redzone threat. They just drafted the biggest best redzone threat in the draft in the 1st round, and then used two more picks on WRs.

Jones is a goner.

So if he had the worst try-out ever why would the Bengals waste even a dime on the guy? They could have brought in Galloway or even TO for that matter. He didn't sit out a year on his own...I believe it was a year long suspension from the league?

sure was,.. They believe he can be a weapon, and he can. He's going to al the workouts, all the meetings, he's got a step ahead of the rookies, who i think will beat out quan and jerome, and boom! you got your squad!

[Spor_tees]

my reasoning for Matt Jones making the team is A. He was good enough to be a first round draft pick

Some other folks who were 'good enough to be a first round pick'

Akili "Wonderlic" Smith

David "Fetal Position" Klingler

Two Carry Perry

ViJayJay Carter

Rickey Dixon

Jason Buck

Joe Kelly

Well Matt Jones wasn't a Bengal's first round pick...that makes a HUGE difference!