Bengals to get a 3rd and 4th round comp pick today

[Pidge]

Lots of ifs and buts...but if we get another 3rd and 4th then a canny draft could set this team set up for the next five yrs or so and not just a good 2010. Fatso Andrews finally comes through for this team.

Edit: Just seen Derek's post. Damn, this is a golden opportunity. Play it cool Marv.

[Kazkal]

My Late round risk pick I wanna see is blount in rnd 4

Lots of ifs and buts...but if we get another 3rd and 4th then a cann

no ifs and buts we have the 3rd & 4th...not wishing anymore...

[derekshank]

I don't really see the Bengals even trying to trade up. They don't often seem to fall in love with any one player enough to give anything up to get them.

That said... If a 1st round talent falls to the 2nd round like Maualuga did, in that scenario I'd love to see the Bengals show NADS and package their 2nd, 3rd, and a 5th or 6th to get an early 2nd round pick.

Other than a scenario like that, trading up is probably a waste.

A situation stupid like this is what I'm talking about. The Bengals address the O-Line in the first, and then Taylor Mays falls out of the 1st round. You've got to trade up in a situation like that!

Sadly, the Bengals never do... and this scenario is as unlikely as they come.

Then again, who could have predicted both A. Smith AND Maualuga last year?

[ArmyBengal]

In making the attempts at putting together a mock draft, i've run against something. Since we now have to two comp picks as early as we do, I really think it further opens the idea of taking the best player available. Don't get me wrong, I think that is always a good route, but in years past we have really needed to get starters out of our first three picks it has seemed and we really aren't in that spot at this point in time.

With that being the case and looking at our current roster we have 3 main spots where the starter is working on a one year deal. Safety, Defensive Tackle, and Running Back. Those spots CERTAINLY need to be addressed. Safety is a must have. Tank coming back again makes me start to question the thought on Sims and if the thought is good, a younger body that can work into the rotation sure would be nice. With the loss of L. Johnson, a backup bell cow at a minumum is needed.

My point to all of this is, it wouldn't surprise me as much now to see DT be the pick in the first, where I thought it wasn't a great idea a couple days ago.

I simply think it really opens things up and I'm really looking forward to see how things turn out.

Also in looking at the picks ahead of us, I really think there will be 2-3 players there we wouldn't have guessed.

Take the BPA or trade down if possible.

This mock is going to take longer than I thought to put together...

[Kazkal]

This draft differently should be entertaining picking late enough that really don't have clue who will be there at 21,Have shet ton of picks to keep it very interesting for first 3 days can't wait until for the end of the April.... "goes in to the mountains and freezes himself in some snow"

[BengalszoneBilly]

can't wait until for the end of the April.... "goes in to the mountains and freezes himself in some snow"

Easy there Cartman.

[wpeldios]

wow, I didn't expect a 3rd and a 4th, but I will take it.

And since we are throwing out mid to late round names we like.

Jon Conner, FB, Kentucky. Then Bengals like blockers, and you wont get a better one at fb. Granted I'd wait until the 5th or 6th, but I really like his blocking ability.

[Sea Ray]

I'd like to see them take a look at Jered Veldheer, a 6'8" LT from Hillsdale College in Michigan

[derekshank]

wow, I didn't expect a 3rd and a 4th, but I will take it.

And since we are throwing out mid to late round names we like.

Jon Conner, FB, Kentucky.

Yeah... but it'll be a bummer when he leaves football to focus on destroying the governor of California.

[Kazkal]

I'd like to see them take a look at Jered Veldheer, a 6'8" LT from Hillsdale College in Michigan

Have 6'7 Whit 6'8 Roland do we really need another Lumbering giant tackle? would prefer someone 6'5 semi athletic

[Trevor]

wow, I didn't expect a 3rd and a 4th, but I will take it.

And since we are throwing out mid to late round names we like.

Jon Conner, FB, Kentucky.

Yeah... but it'll be a bummer when he leaves football to focus on destroying the governor of California.

+ 1

[icehole3]

I'd go with whoever was the best player in round 1, grab a TE in 2, first 3rd grab a safety (there's at least 12 good safeties) second 3rd grab a guard, after that give Zimmer what he wants trickle in some returners

[wpeldios]

wow, I didn't expect a 3rd and a 4th, but I will take it.

And since we are throwing out mid to late round names we like.

Jon Conner, FB, Kentucky.

Yeah... but it'll be a bummer when he leaves football to focus on destroying the governor of California.

How many west coast games do we have this year? Probably should have looked that up in advance.

Ok having looked it up, the farthest west we go is Indianapolis. So we are good for now if we draft him.

[icehole3]

Sad thing about the comp picks

it shows how incompetent Mike Brown is as a GM

"Over the whole history of compensatory choices, we went many years without any and being slow to figure things out," said Bengals president Mike Brown earlier Monday

/>http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Update-Bengals-get-a-3-and-a-4-Commish-ready-to-watch-Ocho-Bryant-backer-NYC-not-so-Super/ba8460e5-1452-4b52-a36d-c4599445b6e8

[ArmyBengal]

Sad thing about the comp picks

it shows how incompetent Mike Brown is as a GM

I kind of agree and kind of don't. I mean we got one pick for Stacy the Dancing Bear and I for one don't miss a single thing about his dumb ass. To that degree, they were smart to let him go and get a comp pick in return for doing so. Ryan Fitzpatrick ?? Yeah, he equalled into the equation and I don't miss his noodle arm either. I even heard Guychick's name mentioned in the equation that made it possible for us to get both a 3rd and 4th and I haven't heard of anyone shedding a tear about him not being our starting Center anymore.

The way I see it is, just because another team was stupid enough to sign these scrubs away from us and then played them because their own team was so poor, doesn't make our organization bad for getting rid of them or not signing them long term. Our roster just got better and we are benefitting from another teams sh*tastic rosters.

[icehole3]

I've got no problem with how they handled it the last few years, its just he just admitted to being a dork on the whole process

[ArmyBengal]

I've got no problem with how they handled it the last few years, its just he just admitted to being a dork on the whole process

Yeah, that's pretty sad.

[derekshank]

Meh. I think letting players get signed by other teams just to add comp picks would be the worst possible way to build a franchise.

It seems like the Bengals have been pretty fortunate recently with other teams willing to pay high prices for the garbage that the Bengals discard... so yeah - I'll take the comp picks. I find Mike Brown's candor about being slow to figure out the comp pick process fairly interesting, but don't see much here to really criticize. I would be much more concerned about it if Mike Brown were going to start intentionally letting good players leave in order to get late 3rd and 4th round picks. That mindset would be madness.

As it is, the Bengals seem to try very hard to keep their best players around, and let failed projects leave. If the Bengals were slow to figure this particular strategy out, then that speaks to incompetence. However... I don't see any other NFL teams that have better comp picks than the Bengals have had over the last 4 or 5 years - so other GM's must be slow about it too.

[HoosierCat]

However... I don't see any other NFL teams that have better comp picks than the Bengals have had over the last 4 or 5 years - so other GM's must be slow about it too.

My guess is that's due to the team's historically poor rep. Teams see guys like a Madieu Williams or Landon Johnson or Stacy Andrews wash out (or at least not fulfill their alleged draft potential) in Cincinnati and think, "well, what do you expect, the Bengals suck, get the guy in a real organization and he'll bloom." If the Andrews debacle in Philly isn't a sign to the rest of the league that the Bengals can at least accurately judge junk after its been on their roster for several years, I don't know what will.

[ArmyBengal]

Exactly. I simply see it as the Bengals roster has finally started to improve talent wise and some of the players that wouldn't be starting elsewhere are finally being shown the door. It's not about letting starters leave the team, it's the fact we have players better than them and they were filling a hole for the time being. I mean where are these guys that went into us getting a 3rd and 4th beating down the door to the Hall of Fame ?? Heck, how many have been even close to pro bowl consideration ?? Yeah, I'll take the picks...

[HairOnFire]

Sad thing about the comp picks

it shows how incompetent Mike Brown is as a GM

I give the man some credit. He admitted being a bit of a slow learner, but in recent years no GM has managed Free Agency in a manner that nets comp pick compensation better than Mike Brown.

[Kazkal]

Sad thing about the comp picks

it shows how incompetent Mike Brown is as a GM

"Over the whole history of compensatory choices, we went many years without any and being slow to figure things out," said Bengals president Mike Brown earlier Monday

/>http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Update-Bengals-get-a-3-and-a-4-Commish-ready-to-watch-Ocho-Bryant-backer-NYC-not-so-Super/ba8460e5-1452-4b52-a36d-c4599445b6e8

I dunno past years sure,but last year I thought the reasoning was good Yes coles didn't quite work out but he also didn't cost us our 3rd round comp pick for TJ since he was cut before free agency started.

[HairOnFire]

I find Mike Brown's candor about being slow to figure out the comp pick process fairly interesting, but don't see much here to really criticize.

Perhaps you're not trying hard enough. Others seem to have no difficulty criticizing a very positive outcome...a task made easier by how little they have to work with. (In this case a single sentence.)

As it is, the Bengals seem to try very hard to keep their best players around, and let failed projects leave. If the Bengals were slow to figure this particular strategy out, then that speaks to incompetence.

I think the Bengals previous error has more to do with a failed strategy based upon retaining their own free agents at any cost. Because while "keeping their own" remains a priority the Bengals strategy of late seems based upon letting those players go if their market price surpasses the Bengals strict valuations.

In short, they Bengals now seem more inclined to let a vital player go if his contract demands are both ridiculous yet likely to be met by other teams....a change in FA strategy that I'm guessing the Bengals adopted shortly after watching Eric Steinbach leave.

However... I don't see any other NFL teams that have better comp picks than the Bengals have had over the last 4 or 5 years - so other GM's must be slow about it too.

Other GM's routinely shop for superstar players in free agency, and just one of that type wrecks the comp pick strategy. By comparison, Mike has always said the Bengals have to draft their own superstars, and his free agent dealings are almost always mid-level at best. So he's well served by a more conservative strategy when dealing with his own priority free agents.

[kingwilly]

However... I don't see any other NFL teams that have better comp picks than the Bengals have had over the last 4 or 5 years - so other GM's must be slow about it too.

My guess is that's due to the team's historically poor rep. Teams see guys like a Madieu Williams or Landon Johnson or Stacy Andrews wash out (or at least not fulfill their alleged draft potential) in Cincinnati and think, "well, what do you expect, the Bengals suck, get the guy in a real organization and he'll bloom." If the Andrews debacle in Philly isn't a sign to the rest of the league that the Bengals can at least accurately judge junk after its been on their roster for several years, I don't know what will.

Good point, but let's add the level of distinction between

1. well-drafted player who could not develop in Bengals shabby system (Williams, M. White, A. Brooks, J. Smith)

and

2. poorly-drafted player who should not have been taken where they were taken (Andrews, Ratliff, Cale Miller, Simpson, Perry, Askew, Brewer, etc.)