What about RB in round #1

[Kazkal]

This feels to me like a year in which the Bengals will make a really wacky pick in either or both of the first two rounds that will send this board into meltdown mode.

That's all I'm really concerned about. I don't really care who they pick as long as the pick causes a fanbase meltdown.

I'm rooting for either kicker or Tebow at 21!

Hey I would be more okay with those selections because atleast Kicker & Fullback are needs.

[BengalszoneBilly]

This feels to me like a year in which the Bengals will make a really wacky pick in either or both of the first two rounds that will send this board into meltdown mode.

That's all I'm really concerned about. I don't really care who they pick as long as the pick causes a fanbase meltdown.

I'm rooting for either kicker or Tebow at 21!

Tebow would not make me angry in the least.

[cincyhokie]

This feels to me like a year in which the Bengals will make a really wacky pick in either or both of the first two rounds that will send this board into meltdown mode.

Note: wacky =/= bad

I don't know. This team doesn't have a real specific need this year. Especially since they have made moves in FA at WR. S, DT, DE, OG, LB all would be welcome picks. Even if they took a WR, TE, or CB I think it'd be a good pick.

For this board to go into meltdown we're going to have to pick a QB, RB, or C. I don't see that happening with the depth of the draft in more needed positions.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I don't know. This team doesn't have a real specific need this year.

Hello BPA!

[cincyhokie]

I don't know. This team doesn't have a real specific need this year.

Hello BPA!

Exactly. BPA.

Now if they take a "no-name" at any position like a Jerome Simpson again in the first 2 rounds...there will be some melting down. Like the Browns pick in the 2nd round last year with David Veikune. Who? The Browns needed a DE but to reach with their first second round pick in seemingly a decade under Savage...bad move.

The Bengals did a good job selecting good talent with important needs of position last year. Maybe we're due for another "Jerome Simpson" but I hope not.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I don't know. This team doesn't have a real specific need this year.

Hello BPA!

Exactly. BPA.

Now if they take a "no-name" at any position like a Jerome Simpson again in the first 2 rounds...there will be some melting down. Like the Browns pick in the 2nd round last year with David Veikune. Who? The Browns needed a DE but to reach with their first second round pick in seemingly a decade under Savage...bad move.

The Bengals did a good job selecting good talent with important needs of position last year. Maybe we're due for another "Jerome Simpson" but I hope not.

BPA and "no-name" usually don't go hand in hand.

[cincyhokie]

I don't know. This team doesn't have a real specific need this year.

Hello BPA!

Exactly. BPA.

Now if they take a "no-name" at any position like a Jerome Simpson again in the first 2 rounds...there will be some melting down. Like the Browns pick in the 2nd round last year with David Veikune. Who? The Browns needed a DE but to reach with their first second round pick in seemingly a decade under Savage...bad move.

The Bengals did a good job selecting good talent with important needs of position last year. Maybe we're due for another "Jerome Simpson" but I hope not.

BPA and "no-name" usually don't go hand in hand.

No they don't. Of course, if the Bengals draft list matches the fans' list, no worries. If the Bengals have a BPA at a position with a no-name then the fans have problems. The fans want to see BPA with someone we recognize, if that doesn't happen...chaos on these boards.

Will the Bengals make choices at drafting the right position players? More than likely. Will they choose someone on our draft guides? We hope so. But like in 2008, even though we needed a WR, we took Simpson who nobody had heard of. That can happen.

But as far as them taking a position not in need, like a RB or QB regardless of who it is, that is very unlikely.

Last year the Bengals seemingly took the BPA in the first 3 rounds and they were all recognizable names, therefore we were happy.

Now, that I have just talked in circles, if TBD thinks that the Bengals are going to make a "meltdown" pick this year...he's not crazy because they've done it before. Look no further than Simpson and Chris Perry.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I don't know. This team doesn't have a real specific need this year.

Hello BPA!

Exactly. BPA.

Now if they take a "no-name" at any position like a Jerome Simpson again in the first 2 rounds...there will be some melting down. Like the Browns pick in the 2nd round last year with David Veikune. Who? The Browns needed a DE but to reach with their first second round pick in seemingly a decade under Savage...bad move.

The Bengals did a good job selecting good talent with important needs of position last year. Maybe we're due for another "Jerome Simpson" but I hope not.

BPA and "no-name" usually don't go hand in hand.

No they don't. Of course, if the Bengals draft list matches the fans' list, no worries. If the Bengals have a BPA at a position with a no-name then the fans have problems. The fans want to see BPA with someone we recognize, if that doesn't happen...chaos on these boards.

Will the Bengals make choices at drafting the right position players? More than likely. Will they choose someone on our draft guides? We hope so. But like in 2008, even though we needed a WR, we took Simpson who nobody had heard of. That can happen.

But as far as them taking a position not in need, like a RB or QB regardless of who it is, that is very unlikely.

Last year the Bengals seemingly took the BPA in the first 3 rounds and they were all recognizable names, therefore we were happy.

Now, that I have just talked in circles, if TBD thinks that the Bengals are going to make a "meltdown" pick this year...he's not crazy because they've done it before. Look no further than Simpson and Chris Perry.

Key word in that sentence is "usually"!

[HairOnFire]

s**t or get off the pot you say?

Yesterday on NFL Total Access Jason LaCanfora was discussing another teams need for a RB and casually mentioned CJ Spiller had already performed a private workout for the Bengals.

[Dadraftnick]

First of all, I doubt that the Bengals will take a RB with their first pick.

I would rather see the Bengals trade down in a very deep draft but, if they keep the pick the pick either Spiller or Best would have the greatest offensive impact of anybody in the draft.

First of all , Benson's contract is up at the end of the year.

Does anybody remember James Brooks, both Spiller and Best are like faster versions of Brooks? does anybody remember how well James Brooks and Ickey Woods ran all over everybody.

*** Did anyone see the story that Carson Palmer had his hand opperated on ? Will it affect him this year? It may put even more pressure on the running game.

Benson was injuried last year and missed a couple of games mostly because he was taking all the carries.

In '08 Javid Best averaged 8.1 yards per carry! 8.1 yards per carry! and he ran for 1580 yds- 8.1 yards per carry is almost averaging a 1st down every carry.

The thing about drafting Best or Spiller is they are 2 of the Best kick returner/punt returners in the draft.- think of the field position -starting drives out 10 to 20 yards closer.

Both guys have 4.3 speed.Both guys have the speed to turn any play into a TD.

Last year the Bengals had a top 5 deffense and the deffense is coming back in tact.

So, the only thing left to do with the deffense is to take a deffensive player that will cause more turnovers/sacks/pressure and add depth.

As far as offensive players goes, TE, WR, G, are positions that are very deep in the draft and you can get players late into the draft at those spots.

There is probably no player in the draft that would have more offensive impact or cause more points being put on the scoreboard than Javid Best or C.J. Spiller.

Best is the better RB and Spiller is a little better at kick offs.

You can take a guy like Best and have him line up at RB and have him go into motion to the slot and suddenly he is covered by a LB or S- major mismatch - 4.3 RB covered by a 4.6 saftey or a 4.7 LB

Hell the Bears went to the Super Bowl on a great deffense and a great kick off returner and little else on offense.

To have a guy like Javid Best share carries with Benson and return kicks and punts would get the maxium out of the both players.

* You CANNOT get a RB with the kind of speed and offensive impact that Best and Spiller have late in the draft.

You can get a RB like say a Toby Gerhart , who is a good RB , in the 2nd maybe the 3rd BUT, you CANNOT get a guy like Best who has the speed to turn any run into a TD AND is one of the best kick-off/punt returners in the draft.

If you draft or Spiller Best its like drafting a RB, KR, PR, WR all in one.

[ArmyBengal]

How many concussions has Best had ?? I think more than a couple. While I think he's a good RB, I don't want to see us thinking about him in the first. Spiller wouldn't honestly bother me much, but will readily admit that is only due to the fact we gained an extra 3rd and 4th rounder in comp picks. I really think there is almost any position that could be selected through the early rounds without much of an argument, minus a few. I'm really looking forward to the draft for a big reason being it's not as scripted as it usually is for the Bengals.

[BengalPimp]

In '08 Javid Best averaged 8.1 yards per carry! 8.1 yards per carry! and he ran for 1580 yds- 8.1 yards per carry is almost averaging a 1st down every carry.

But that was in '08. Pre-Injury, I really liked Jahvid Best, but you have to be concerned with a small RB who had 2 concussions last year. If he didn't and remained healthy, he would have been the 1st RB taken in my mind. Again, 2 concussions last year....It's much more physical in the NFL than it is in college, and once you suffer a concussion, others are easier to get, and likely to follow.

Just wanted to point out something. Best averaged 6.1 ypc last year. A very good number, but kind of skewed when you take into account who those numbers were against. He had big games against Minnesota, Maryland, Eastern Washington, and Washington State, but stuggled against better teams like USC (47 yds 3.4 avg) Oregon (55 yds 3.4 avg) and Arizona State (63 yds 3.5 avg). He is your typical all or nothing back. Just as capable of breaking a long run, as he is of getting stopped for no gain.

I like Best, but we shouldn't spend a 1st Rd pick on a situational player. Best is a 10-15 carry guy MAX.

As for Spiller, he's about the same size as Best (5'11" to Best's 5'10" with both about 195lbs) but not quite the runner. Spiller is mostly "hype". In four years at Clemson, his senior year was the only time he broke 1,000 yds (1,222 and he needed 233 yds against Georgia Tech the last game to do that). The advantage that Spiller does have, in his receiving. Good hands for a RB. But again, like Best, he's more of a situational player (think 3rd down back) why spend a 1st Rd pick on that?

[HairOnFire]

In '08 Javid Best averaged 8.1 yards per carry! 8.1 yards per carry! and he ran for 1580 yds- 8.1 yards per carry is almost averaging a 1st down every carry.

Wow, that average per rush is ALMOST as good as Ki-Jana Carter's was back in the day.

No ninja.

[ArmyBengal]

I would rather see us get someone who can fill Benson's shoes, should he not be returning the following year or (God forbid) get hurt.

Neither Best nor Spiller are that between the tackles kind of runner and last time I checked, we still had Bernard Scott...

[Dadraftnick]

Like I said , I think that the best thing to do is trade down but, if you want the player that would have the most offensive impact then its Best or Spiller.

I could make a good case for drafting a DE with the 1st pick, you dont know what you are going to get out DE Antwan Odom coming off an achillies tendon injury and after Correy Wooten in the 2nd rnd there is a Big droppoff and the deffense needs more sacks.

And I would say that if we draft a RB in the 1st we should take a DE in the 2nd- because there is such a big drop-off ,you have a Hall Davis that is late round guy but DE's are fairly thin in this draft.

When you look at all of the Bengals offensive needs G, WR, TE, you have depth in this draft in the 1st 5-6 rounds and if you take one of those guys 1st round its like paying $1000 for a bag of salt that you can get for $5- you would be overpaying for the same thing you could have had for a much lower price(draft choice) .

Look at what Chris Johnson has meant to the Titans.

Very few RB's have that kind of speed along with the moves, I am pretty sure Barry Sanders ran a 4.39 - I am not saying either guy is Barry Sanders I am saying when you have that kind of speed, you can take what most of the time would be a 5 yd play and turn it into a 40 yd TD.

I can still remember how teams were asked how they could pass on drafting Barry Sanders and how didnt know when they could see his speed and moves they should have known.

If either guy is drafted they are the fast guy on the Bengals team that should tell you how fast they are.

The reason that a guy with this kind of speed is so great is , teams see a guy like Benson and get used to taking angles to tackle him with his speed then , a guy like Best gets in and if the guy takes the same angle -boom- Best runs by him.

[BengalPimp]

In '08 Javid Best averaged 8.1 yards per carry! 8.1 yards per carry! and he ran for 1580 yds- 8.1 yards per carry is almost averaging a 1st down every carry.

Wow, that average per rush is ALMOST as good as Ki-Jana Carter's was back in the day.

No ninja.

Hey, I saw Ki-Jana Carter first hand from the opposing sideline in the '95 Rose Bowl. Let me tell you, while i played offense not defense, what I saw, and what my teammates said, he was a helluva back. He was quick, but ran with power and had powerful legs (big thighs). Had he not tore up his knee he would have been damn good.

Best is just quick, no power.

[Wraith]

Spiller is a heck of a back, he is capable of being Chris Johnson-esque, fast enough to beat anyone around a corner but has good enough vision to slip between the tackles and pound it inside, good hands and a capable route runner, can stretch the field deep. Spiller will be special IMHO and the Bengals have filled enough holes that if they think he is the best player available they can take him regardless of need. If Thomas and Mays are gone at Safety, They elect to wait on a TE, and Iupati is gone no issues with Spiller at all.

[BengalPimp]

Spiller is a heck of a back, he is capable of being Chris Johnson-esque,

More likely to be Reggie Bush-esque....Not a compliment, and may not even be that good.

[derekshank]

Several months ago, before Bernard Scott emerged, and it looked like Benson was the only RB on the roster, there were a good number of mock drafts that had Spiller going to the Bengals.

I went to YouTube and watched some of the highlights, and even was lucky enough to watch a good deal of a Clemson game one Saturday. Despite my best effort, I could not manage to get excited about using a 1st round pick on him.

Now, with Bernard Scott showing that he has NFL ready talent, I'm dead against it. If they draft a RB, I want him to be Thunder, not Lightning.

[HairOnFire]

Hey, I saw Ki-Jana Carter first hand from the opposing sideline in the '95 Rose Bowl. Let me tell you, while i played offense not defense, what I saw, and what my teammates said, he was a helluva back. He was quick, but ran with power and had powerful legs (big thighs). Had he not tore up his knee he would have been damn good.

You're preaching to the choir because I too believe had he stayed healthy Carter would have been a monster...as implied by his even better 8.4 yards per carry average as a senior.

I don't know if there's a point worth making here, but reading Dadraftnick's remark about Best averaging nearly a first down per carry reminded me of how often I read the very same thing about Carter all those years ago.

(((sigh)))

[kingwilly]

one word: NO

[redsbengalsbucks]

I would rather see us get someone who can fill Benson's shoes, should he not be returning the following year or (God forbid) get hurt.

Neither Best nor Spiller are that between the tackles kind of runner and last time I checked, we still had Bernard Scott...

Mays in the first, Gerhardt in the second sounds OK to me. But I would rather have a G in the second, or G in 1st and S in 2nd.

[BengalszoneBilly]

BPA. Every round. If it's a RB, fine. A WR, fine. IMO this is the year to stock up on talent.

[cincyhokie]

BPA. Every round. If it's a RB, fine. A WR, fine. IMO this is the year to stock up on talent.

I'm definately looking more forward to this draft than in years past.

Two 3rds and two 4ths? Sounds good to me.

[wpeldios]

Now, with Bernard Scott showing that he has NFL ready talent, I'm dead against it. If they draft a RB, I want him to be Thunder, not Lightning.

This right here. Scott can take up the smaller back role. We need someone to take over for Benson, because at the load he has taken on, he won't last long even if they do resign him. And this is a great draft to do this in. A lot of big powerful backs.

That said, if all your targets are gone, and Spiller is there, you should have no trouble finding a trading partner.