Greg Ellis anyone?

[walzav29]

1 year deal? He had 7 sacks last year. Familiar with Zim. Could get him at a discount. Can't have enough depth especially with Odom's health issues.

[kingwilly]

would rather have him than Roy Williams back.

[HairOnFire]

Yeah, I'm interested.

In fact, I considered Ellis to be "the one who got away" last year.

[Kazkal]

Pass we need Youth at the position,I'd like to see us draft a Defensive End who is purely known as passrusher....undersized I don't care we need some speed to pair up with MJ

PS,Unless they planned on Cutting Geathers then I could Justify Bringing in Ellis...

[Trevor]

Pass we need Youth at the position,I'd like to see us draft a Defensive End who is purely known as passrusher....undersized I don't care we need some speed to pair up with MJ

PS,Unless they planned on Cutting Geathers then I could Justify Bringing in Ellis...

No one on our line is 30... Theyre relatively young but i know what your saying, but ellis is still a beast and i'd definately like to see him here

[walzav29]

This year is uncapped, and I'm not saying go crazy and sign everyone to 4 year deals. But they could get Ellis and T.O. and then draft those positions and let the young guys ease in for the 2011 season. The Bengals are close to really contending. Get Palmer all kinds of weapons. Draft the Idaho guard. Sign Ellis to the defense. We'll be cooking.

[BengalPimp]

I think bringing in a guy like Ellis for 1 year won't do much good unless Odom just isnt healthy. If Odom is good to go, I say cut Geathers snaps and give more to Michael Johnson. The young guys need to get game experience somehow, and bringing in a vet to take away snaps, only puts them a year further back. If Ellis agrees to a back-up roll though...and at low price, I say okay. Good for sacks, but at 34, how much does he have left in the tank?

[volcom69]

This team needs as much pass rushers they can get. Whos to say that Odom will be the same pass rusher he was before he got hurt. Remember couple years ago he could hardly pass the rusher, so lets hope he returns the same. If not this team will have no pass rush unless M. Johnson becomes great. So i say why not sign him to a one year deal and let him help out, maybe situational pass rusher

[kingwilly]

I agree that improving the pass rush is critical. Ellis could be an upgrade over Frostee and/or Geathers. Odom's progress will be a very big concern, and with that comes the possibility of taking a DE earlier than later.

I think Fanene could focus on DE and make a mark. I thought he did really well in Odom's absence.

It truly is a position of concern, one that is being shuffled down by all this WR drama.

[JoePong]

No way in hell Ellis is a better player than Geathers. That's just funny.

[Kazkal]

I think Fanene could focus on DE and make a mark. I thought he did really well in Odom's absence.

I'n interested to see what their plans are for Fanene If they'll have him Start apposite of Odom or not...If he doesn't start at DE I'm sure he'll be labeled as a DT like last year.

[kingwilly]

No way in hell Ellis is a better player than Geathers. That's just funny.

I should have been more specific: Ellis would be an upgrade on passing downs.

Geathers is not effective going after the QB. He is a good all-around DE, but Ellis is better at going after the QB.

[Kazkal]

And being that most of our ends are effective against the run what we need is someone who can actually Pressure a QB.

[Stripes]

Four years ago Geathers was horrible against the run. Credit the coaching for his obvious improvement. He's certainly not invaluable though, and I'd be mildly interested in someone like Greg Ellis. I don't think it's remotely likely though, so what's the point?

[JoePong]

Four years ago Geathers was horrible against the run. Credit the coaching for his obvious improvement. He's certainly not invaluable though, and I'd be mildly interested in someone like Greg Ellis. I don't think it's remotely likely though, so what's the point?

You're right. It's not remotely likely since Ellis is pretty much in a wheelchair and probably couldn't play another down in the NFL if he wanted to.

[JoePong]

And being that most of our ends are effective against the run what we need is someone who can actually Pressure a QB.

Geathers ranked somewhere around the top 5 in the NFL in QB pressures last season.

HIs only problem has been that we have no inside penetration or pressure up the middle so the QB is able to easily step up in the ppocket to avoid him.

[Dadraftnick]

It would be smart to sign Ellis and cut dead weight Geathers .

Then you could use the money you save to sign free agents.

Geathers has had one half decent year (his contract year) and that was on the back of 3 sacks coming off a #3 LT and 4 sacks coming off a # 2 LT.

Other than that he has done nothing.

I remember hearing DE John Fanene saying that Bengals coaches had never taught him pass rush moves until last year so, at least Ellis could teach teamates pass moves.

[Kazkal]

And being that most of our ends are effective against the run what we need is someone who can actually Pressure a QB.

Geathers ranked somewhere around the top 5 in the NFL in QB pressures last season.

HIs only problem has been that we have no inside penetration or pressure up the middle so the QB is able to easily step up in the pocket to avoid him.

You mean near the bottom right? of 4-3 he's ranked 18th-25th in a 7 way tie on pressures....

Other players with 21

Stylez G white

Charles Johnson

Chauncey Davis

Aaron Schobel

Greg Ellis

Juqua Parker

PS,Theres Four 3-4 Ends who had more Pressures so really he is 22-29

[HairOnFire]

It would be smart to sign Ellis and cut dead weight Geathers .

No, it wouldn't. IMHO the biggest mistake Ellis made last year was signing with a team who wanted him to play far too many snaps. To be fair the Raiders paid dearly for the priviledge, and they got their man as a result. And Ellis got the long-term contract he was demanding at the time.

But in retrospect the Bengals evaluation of Ellis as a still productive role player was far more accurate, as was the far lower monetary value they placed on his skill level. And the long-term contract Ellis signed with the Raiders turned out to be little more than a one-year deal with added puffery.

At this point Ellis is no more than a designated pass rusher capable of giving a team a handful of productive snaps, and if that's a role he's now more willing to accept now I'd still be interested. If not, I'm guessing he won't find any bidders for his services. But if anyone wants to know why I'm still interested in Ellis....just scroll back and reread what Zimmer said about him last year....including the interest he showed even after Michael Johnson was drafted.

[Dadraftnick]

Greg Ellis didnt even play the whole year and put up better numbers.

I would much rather have him than Geathers.

Geathers is playing on a Fat free agent contract- the money could be much better spent on players that are productive.

Ellis should be pretty cheap.

[HairOnFire]

Greg Ellis didnt even play the whole year and put up better numbers.

And Robert Geathers put up great numbers when he was a part-time player, didn't he?

[Dadraftnick]

It would be smart to sign Ellis and cut dead weight Geathers .

No, it wouldn't. IMHO the biggest mistake Ellis made last year was signing with a team who wanted him to play far too many snaps. To be fair the Raiders paid dearly for the priviledge, and they got their man as a result. And Ellis got the long-term contract he was demanding at the time.

But in retrospect the Bengals evaluation of Ellis as a still productive role player was far more accurate, as was the far lower monetary value they placed on his skill level. And the long-term contract Ellis signed with the Raiders turned out to be little more than a one-year deal with added puffery.

At this point Ellis is no more than a designated pass rusher capable of giving a team a handful of productive snaps, and if that's a role he's now more willing to accept now I'd still be interested. If not, I'm guessing he won't find any bidders for his services. But if anyone wants to know why I'm still interested in Ellis....just scroll back and reread what Zimmer said about him last year....including the interest he showed even after Michael Johnson was drafted.

I dont know how much Ellis was paid last year, at this point in his career, his price tag should pretty cheap.

I know that it wouldnt take much to play better than Geathers.-3.5 sacks for a starting DE?

Geathers sack #'s '04-3 sacks,'05-3 sacks,'06-10.5sacks,'07-3.5sacks,'08-2.5 sacks,'09-3.5sacks --thats pretty sad #'s ,you could find 25 guys in this draft that could do better.

Ellis was cut to get money to pay for the new free agents they signed plus they had a guy that they were moving into the starting line up.

Ellis is coming off an injury, I think he had a knee scoped, so that and his age knocks his price down.

I have never had much love for Geathers and he has proved me right by doing nothing to prove me wrong except for his contract year.

[Kazkal]

Greg Ellis didnt even play the whole year and put up better numbers.

And Robert Geathers put up great numbers when he was a part-time player, didn't he?

Hence why I'd like to see Geathers go back to that roll if we keep him,We have Solid Running down ends with Odom,Fanene & Rucker we need some speed let Robert drop 20 lbs and team up with MJ on passing downs...If not draft someone for that role >_<

[blueridge]

I'd like to see the Bengals at least bring in Ellis for a tire-kicking visit. Also,I think they should keep an eye out for current Redskin Andre Carter, who is an effective 4-3 end but doesn't really fit into their new 3-4 scheme.

[Dadraftnick]

Geathers has a career average of 4.3 sacks per season.

That average is jacked way up by his fluke 10.5 contract season.

If you dont count that season he has a 3.1 sack per season starting most of those seasons.

He is one of the higher paid paid guys on the the deffense.

Last year former 7th round pick Johnathan Fanene put up 6 sacks in mostly part-time duty.

We are paying way too much for the little amount of production that Geathers has produced.

I believe we could get Ellis for much less than we are paying for Geathers and double the production for the position.

Even if you just cut Geathers and use the money for other free agents that makes more sense than what your paying for the little amount of production you get out of him.