Vince Wilfork

[cincy5885]

So I have been hearing about all this T.O. talk and I thought I would start a new topic. Vince Wilfork anybody...

Vince doesn't look like he is going to re-sign with the Patriots because of money and how Wilfork has strongly been against the franchise tag publically. He said it would be a slap in the face, now I don't know the exact money amount, is it possible? Do the Bengals have enough to give him a serious offer I would love to here your opinions on why or why not. I personally think if we can we should go after this guy for many reasons...

The guy is 320+ pounds more like 340

The Bengals are starting to become one of the best defenses in the league we can't stop we have to keep improving remember two of the best defenses in the NFL our in our division the Ravens and Steelers. We have two of the best cornerbacks and questionable safeties young strong linebackers except for Dhani he isn't in his young 20's anymore and a descent line

This is a great chance to improve the line with Peko and Wilfork in the middle we would have two of the best run stopper defensive tackles in the league. If we though we stopped the line good this season if we had Wilfork we could stop names like Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, even Chris Johnson!Wilfork has lots of positives to him his size he has over 300 tackles and he is only 28 he only has 7.5 sacks but he is a run stopper so that's alright. Let me here your opinion tell me if I am just stupid its a dream or reality. I think he would look good in the Orange and Black stripes.

[Trevor]

So I have been hearing about all this T.O. talk and I thought I would start a new topic. Vince Wilfork anybody...

Vince doesn't look like he is going to re-sign with the Patriots because of money and how Wilfork has strongly been against the franchise tag publically. He said it would be a slap in the face, now I don't know the exact money amount, is it possible? Do the Bengals have enough to give him a serious offer I would love to here your opinions on why or why not. I personally think if we can we should go after this guy for many reasons...

The guy is 320+ pounds more like 340

The Bengals are starting to become one of the best defenses in the league we can't stop we have to keep improving remember two of the best defenses in the NFL our in our division the Ravens and Steelers. We have two of the best cornerbacks and questionable safeties young strong linebackers except for Dhani he isn't in his young 20's anymore and a descent line

This is a great chance to improve the line with Peko and Wilfork in the middle we would have two of the best run stopper defensive tackles in the league. If we though we stopped the line good this season if we had Wilfork we could stop names like Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, even Chris Johnson!Wilfork has lots of positives to him his size he has over 300 tackles and he is only 28 he only has 7.5 sacks but he is a run stopper so that's alright. Let me here your opinion tell me if I am just stupid its a dream or reality. I think he would look good in the Orange and Black stripes.

Hmmm,.. Well that would quite a force to get through... But i like shaun smith. He knows our defense and he's great against the run and he's way cheaper... I think were good with peko, tank, sims and smith...

[Kazkal]

Not gonna happen.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Not gonna happen.

Never ever.

[Whur CHad At?]

C'mon now are you even a Bengals fan?

Unless he kills someone or gets 5 DUI's there is no way he'll be a Bengal

[BengalszoneBilly]

C'mon now are you even a Bengals fan?

Unless he kills someone or gets 5 DUI's there is no way he'll be a Bengal

Kills someone? No Bengal has done that. If you're looking for manslaughters, may I suggest the Browns forum.

[HAPPYJAQ]

Won't happen, as he would play the same position in this defense as Peko.

I think he's a terrific player, but I think the Bengals would be best served to spend the mega-millions he'd want elsewhere.

[jjakq27]

I wanted him back in 2005 instead of Pollack but that was so long ago now.

He looked overweight in the game I watched them. Not sure if he'd be worth it at this point.

[BengalPimp]

When you already have the NFL's #4 ranked Defense, you don't need to throw 60-70 Million at a DT. They could sign a lot of Offensive talent with that kind of coin, and let's face it, the offense is what we should be focusing on...especially WR, TE, G. That money would be better used to extend our own players, most notably our CB's. The longer you wait, the more expensive they will be.

[cincyhokie]

When you already have the NFL's #4 ranked Defense, you don't need to throw 60-70 Million at a DT. They could sign a lot of Offensive talent with that kind of coin, and let's face it, the offense is what we should be focusing on...especially WR, TE, G. That money would be better used to extend our own players, most notably our CB's. The longer you wait, the more expensive they will be.

Good points.

[cHaD711Johnson]

I wanted him back in 2005 instead of Pollack but that was so long ago now.

He looked overweight in the game I watched them. Not sure of he'd be worth it at this point.

That wasn't the 2005 draft. We missed on Wilfork in 2004 when we traded down with Denver, and then St Louis. Essentially missing on Steven Jackson and Vince Wilfork. Smh.

[jjakq27]

I wanted him back in 2005 instead of Pollack but that was so long ago now.

He looked overweight in the game I watched them. Not sure of he'd be worth it at this point.

That wasn't the 2005 draft. We missed on Wilfork in 2004 when we traded down with Denver, and then St Louis. Essentially missing on Steven Jackson and Vince Wilfork. Smh.

Yep you're right. My bad. I was high on DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears in 05. Ware was long gone by the time we picked. I probably still wanted Wilfork in 2005 too!

So let me rephrase! I wanted him in the 2004 draft. Didn't really understand the desire for a RB at that point when Rudi Johnson seemed to be the RB of the future. Never quite understood the Perry pick either. Was he supposed to be a James Brooks type of back? Or were they not really sold on Rudi? Then we passed over Steven Jackson to take Perry. WTF.

[HAPPYJAQ]

I wanted him back in 2005 instead of Pollack but that was so long ago now.

He looked overweight in the game I watched them. Not sure of he'd be worth it at this point.

That wasn't the 2005 draft. We missed on Wilfork in 2004 when we traded down with Denver, and then St Louis. Essentially missing on Steven Jackson and Vince Wilfork. Smh.

Yep you're right. My bad. I was high on DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears in 05. Ware was long gone by the time we picked. I probably still wanted Wilfork in 2005 too!

So let me rephrase! I wanted him in the 2004 draft. Didn't really understand the desire for a RB at that point when Rudi Johnson seemed to be the RB of the future. Never quite understood the Perry pick either. Was he supposed to be a James Brooks type of back? Or were they not really sold on Rudi? Then we passed over Steven Jackson to take Perry. WTF.

WTF ever happened to Chris Perry?? He looked like a big-time RB at Michigan, and even early in Cincinnati. I remember thinking he had a very impressive skill-set for a RB nearly 230 pounds. It's difficult to imagine that he's not at least on somebody's NFL roster these days. Conversely, I got the feeling that Kenny Irons was a bust, pretty much immediately.

I think the Bengals were really never sold on Rudi. First he had weight issues, and then he was a workout fanatic, which ultimately took away from his natural abilities. I've got a friend that knows him who says he was more immersed in being a local celebrity than he was being the starting RB for the Bengals, but who knows?

All that said, would anybody be surprised if the Bengals used an early pick on a RB? After all, Ced is an UFA again after the upcoming season, Leonard seemed to fall out of favor towards the end of the season, and Scott might never be more than a change-of-pace back/return specialist in this offense. I read recently that the Bengals were high on Shonn Jones during the draft, before the Jets traded up to get him. A second/third-round RB wouldn't surprise me a bit, with the teams emphasis on the running game these days.

[BengalPimp]

I read recently that the Bengals were high on Shonn Jones during the draft, before the Jets traded up to get him.

I believe you meant Shonn Greene. There were quite a few teams that were pretty high on him, until he ran a 4.65 second 40 at the combine. I still find that hard to believe, as he seems faster than that on the field. He runs with power, which a lot of teams liked, but a 4.65 40 time will drop you to the third round pretty quick.

[Trevor]

I read recently that the Bengals were high on Shonn Jones during the draft, before the Jets traded up to get him.

I believe you meant Shonn Greene. There were quite a few teams that were pretty high on him, until he ran a 4.65 second 40 at the combine. I still find that hard to believe, as he seems faster than that on the field. He runs with power, which a lot of teams liked, but a 4.65 40 time will drop you to the third round pretty quick.

Yeah well that 4.6 killed us in the playoffs... ugh

[BengalPimp]

I read recently that the Bengals were high on Shonn Jones during the draft, before the Jets traded up to get him.

I believe you meant Shonn Greene. There were quite a few teams that were pretty high on him, until he ran a 4.65 second 40 at the combine. I still find that hard to believe, as he seems faster than that on the field. He runs with power, which a lot of teams liked, but a 4.65 40 time will drop you to the third round pretty quick.

Yeah well that 4.6 killed us in the playoffs... ugh

That he did, but like I said, seems faster than that on the field.

[cincyhokie]

I read recently that the Bengals were high on Shonn Jones during the draft, before the Jets traded up to get him.

I believe you meant Shonn Greene. There were quite a few teams that were pretty high on him, until he ran a 4.65 second 40 at the combine. I still find that hard to believe, as he seems faster than that on the field. He runs with power, which a lot of teams liked, but a 4.65 40 time will drop you to the third round pretty quick.

That's nice. So the Jets have traded up in front of us 3 times to get players we wanted. Revis, David Harris, and Greene.

[HairOnFire]

...now I don't know the exact money amount, is it possible? Do the Bengals have enough to give him a serious offer I would love to here your opinions on why or why not...

I guess you'd have to file this one under why not.

Because I think you have to wonder why the Bengals, even if they felt it was a priority, would pursue a mega-dollar DT in free agency when they're so perfectly positioned to draft one in the 1st round.

[jjakq27]

I read recently that the Bengals were high on Shonn Jones during the draft, before the Jets traded up to get him.

I believe you meant Shonn Greene. There were quite a few teams that were pretty high on him, until he ran a 4.65 second 40 at the combine. I still find that hard to believe, as he seems faster than that on the field. He runs with power, which a lot of teams liked, but a 4.65 40 time will drop you to the third round pretty quick.

That's nice. So the Jets have traded up in front of us 3 times to get players we wanted. Revis, David Harris, and Greene.

We need a spy or a mole inside Jets central.

[Wraith]

What we really need to start doing to being aggressive with the draft, there are quite a few times in the Marvin Lewis era, where we have targeted a guy only to have someone grab him a pick or two earlier. Manny Lawson instead of Leon Hall for example (though that seemed to work out well for us), David Harris, Vince Wilfork, Sedrick Ellis, I have even heard rumors that we were also very high on Derrick Harvey (though again I think Rivers is a better player). If you like a guy much better than the other guys around him and you are worried that he is going to go a few picks in front of you then we should go get that guy. Last year for example we liked Maualuga and my heart was in my throat when Denver traded up in front of us because I was CERTAIN they were going to take Maualuga. And even though we ended up getting the guy we wanted I believe it is better to be aggressive in the draft than letting the draft come to you. It is the difference between Shawn Payton and Jim Caldwell, one guy played to win the game at all costs, the other guy played not to lose. We play the draft not to lose way too often.

[kingwilly]

go get him.

This is not like when they signed Sam Adams. Wilfork is a player.

[Horsemen]

Wilfork is looking for a big payday, one we won't pay and shouldn't pay anyways. It won't happen.

[kingwilly]

Wilfork is looking for a big payday, one we won't pay and shouldn't pay anyways. It won't happen.

ok, I'll take the bait: Why should we not "Pay" him? i'd like to know the reason(s) behind your position.

[Kazkal]

Well I'm not Saying I don't want the guy because I do,But the only reasons why Could see not to pay him

-He's been a Nose tackle his entire Career so will he be as effected or suited for what we do on our D?

-He's gonna Command a Huge Contract probably along the lines top 5 DT Money And well this year may be Cap Free it will return in the future so Do we sign a 50million Dollar DT when we had a top 5 Defense with Peko,Tank & Sims or Do we Resign our own Key Defensive Players and try keep DT's we have?

PS,Well I'd love to have Wilfork I still feel if the Dline is going to be upgraded we need to upgrade our Passrush...