redsbengalsbucks Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Here's a stat for you guys.....Joseph = 4 seasons and 11 INT'sHall = 3 seasons and 14 INT'shmmm.... Simply means Hall can hold on to a ball better Also means that Jjoe was hurt for a few of those games and had about 8 dropped INT's his first season. I'm to lazy to go find it, but I would like to see a comparison of Pass defended between the two of them.Per rotoworld, Leon Hall has 60 over his first three years. JJoe has 68 over his first four years. That works to Hall averaging 20 a year and JJoe averaging 17 a year. Pretty close.I cant remember, but it seems that Jjoe missed a few games his second season to injury if these are taken into account it seems that thier stats would be almost identical. Also he played most of the 2008 season on a bad leg, that had to keep him down a bit. I am just happy that the Bengals finally have two very good CB's, I really dont care which one is small percentage points better than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Leon Hall is the better cb of the two, and it's not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Leon Hall is the better cb of the two, and it's not close.To Each Their Own I'd Agreed Leon is more Polished but I wouldn't say it's not close because they have different skill sets and Joseph is also working on past weakness's (not being physical in the run game)...I'd say it's close because Halls Fundamentals are more sound Joseph will always be more athletic and have the higher ceiling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Hall draws the other team #1s and he operates pretty much on an island in shutting them down. Hall is physical in support of the run game, and a sure tackler. He is quietly superb, and I am stunned at how even the fanbase misses how good he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Hall draws the other team #1s and he operates pretty much on an island in shutting them down. Hall is physical in support of the run game, and a sure tackler. He is quietly superb, and I am stunned at how even the fanbase misses how good he is.Hall is a superb Corner but he is human He tends to get more help over top then Jjoe does and He also plays 5-10 yards off the Line where I see Joe play much more Press...Sorry for trying be realistic I Love Hall to death and wouldn't trade him for any other corner besides Revis(Warfield is awesome but Leon has Youth compared to other top corners) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Hall draws the other team #1s and he operates pretty much on an island in shutting them down. Hall is physical in support of the run game, and a sure tackler. He is quietly superb, and I am stunned at how even the fanbase misses how good he is.Nobody here is missing how good Hall is, it is actually that you seem to be missing just how good Jjoe is. The Bengals have two of the best CB's in the NFL, and if they stay healthy they will be the best duo next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I am not missing how good Jospeh is at times, but he is the second best corner on this team. Easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Joseph takes more risks, but with his speed he makes up for it often with his last-second knockdowns. Hall is probably better by definition, but he also is proned to getting toasted every once in a while (more-so than other elite corners, at least). I think their combined strength lies in minimizing receiver separation on intermediate and short routes, often causing opposing quarterbacks to dance stationary in the pocket against the Bengals inconsistent pass rush with absolutely nowhere to throw the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBengals! Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Hall is finally getting the credit he deserves... Let Joseph go in free agency and resign Hall for big money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Hall is finally getting the credit he deserves... Let Joseph go in free agency and resign Hall for big money.You are joking right? Jjoe is as good or better than Hall in most aspects of the game, wiht both the Bengals have a chance at winning with defense, with either one gone that chance becomes alot less likely.Before membengal tears me apart for saying Jjoe is better than Hall, that is not what I am saying. I also believe that Hall is as good or better than Jjoe in most aspects of the game. They both have stregths and weeknesses, in different areas. I have been wanting a CB duo this good for years and if the Bengals allow either of these two to get away without some seriously good compensation, the FO is as stupid as many on this site have been stating it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Hall is finally getting the credit he deserves... Let Joseph go in free agency and resign Hall for big money.Wrong. Keep them both. I'm in the camp that Hall is the better corner, but JJoe is good in his own right. Lest your forgot, the thing that allows Zimmer to do what he does is the play of both of our corners. They need to keep them both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 To be clear, they are both wonderful cornerbacks, and both should be retained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I'd like to see the Bengals keep both, as well, but the contracts CBs get in this league is ridiculous. By the time they each hit UFA territory (unless the Bengals re-sign them), the best CBs in the NFL will be paid nearly 20 million dollars per year. Considering the price tag at that position, I believe the Bengals should make Joseph their first priority. By my eye, he justs seem like the one that has more talent, and his errors or more of a concentration thing than a physical thing, in most cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Hall is finally getting the credit he deserves... Let Joseph go in free agency and resign Hall for big money.You are joking right? Jjoe is as good or better than Hall in most aspects of the game, wiht both the Bengals have a chance at winning with defense, with either one gone that chance becomes alot less likely.Before membengal tears me apart for saying Jjoe is better than Hall, that is not what I am saying. I also believe that Hall is as good or better than Jjoe in most aspects of the game. They both have stregths and weeknesses, in different areas. I have been wanting a CB duo this good for years and if the Bengals allow either of these two to get away without some seriously good compensation, the FO is as stupid as many on this site have been stating it is.Not only that but they can keep Hall easily for 3 more years (2 contract 1 tag)I'd like to see the Bengals keep both, as well, but the contracts CBs get in this league is ridiculous. By the time they each hit UFA territory (unless the Bengals re-sign them), the best CBs in the NFL will be paid nearly 20 million dollars per year. Indeed Hence why I'd like to see them get their deals done early more so not of our current FA's really gonna command any money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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