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#1 Mike Brown hired Mike Zimmer. #2 he took the team to 4-11-1, make the playoffs in back to back years and I will believe hes a good coach. I dont believe this team plays down to competition I believe they are coached down to the competition. Play a bad team play it safe take no chances, thats why bad teams hang around.Hes been here 7 years and had 2 winning seasons. I dont think that is a good thing.

You blame Marvin for 4-11-1 but don't praise him for 11-5/10-6? That makes no sense.

Coaching is so much more than the plays called. Leadership on a team starts somewhere and it comes from the head coach/leader. If you've ever played organized sports and/or been in the military you'll understand this concept.

The simple fact, like you mentioned, that this team was 4-11-1, coming off Carson's injury, the death of Zimmer's wife and Henry...and STILL win the division. That doesn't happen by accident, that is leadership.

Yes ive played college football and right now am a college football coach.

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Marvin got here in 03. He kept Brat as the O.C. how are my facts not right he choose to keep brat.

Yeah, and in '05, both Marvin and Brat looked like geniuses, didn't they? Plus, I don't have the particulars on Brat's contract history from 2006 to now. Maybe they couldn't have gotten rid of him? I don't know. Just sayin'.

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#1 Mike Brown hired Mike Zimmer. #2 he took the team to 4-11-1, make the playoffs in back to back years and I will believe hes a good coach. I dont believe this team plays down to competition I believe they are coached down to the competition. Play a bad team play it safe take no chances, thats why bad teams hang around.Hes been here 7 years and had 2 winning seasons. I dont think that is a good thing.

You blame Marvin for 4-11-1 but don't praise him for 11-5/10-6? That makes no sense.

Coaching is so much more than the plays called. Leadership on a team starts somewhere and it comes from the head coach/leader. If you've ever played organized sports and/or been in the military you'll understand this concept.

The simple fact, like you mentioned, that this team was 4-11-1, coming off Carson's injury, the death of Zimmer's wife and Henry...and STILL win the division. That doesn't happen by accident, that is leadership.

Yes ive played college football and right now am a college football coach.

Weber State? You and Brat got a history?

:lmao:

jk

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My point Marvin lets brown pick his coaches. A good coach wouldnt do that.

Yes and no, Marvin was gagging to get a head coaching job, so he conceded some coaches to get the job. He quickly generated enough stroke that if wanted Brat fired, he'd be fired. To think otherwise is delusional.

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My point Marvin lets brown pick his coaches. A good coach wouldnt do that.

Yes and no, Marvin was gagging to get a head coaching job, so he conceded some coaches to get the job. He quickly generated enough stroke that if wanted Brat fired, he'd be fired. To think otherwise is delusional.

My point if Marvin wanted him gone he would be gone. Not Weber State, Franklin College in Indiana.

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My point Marvin lets brown pick his coaches. A good coach wouldnt do that.

Do you get to tell your boss what to do? I know I don't....

Yes, I get to tell my boss who my asisstants are going to be. I believe most HC get to pick there asisstants.I wouldnt coach if I was told who was going to work under me.

You wouldnt coach for me than. I would have the final say so on any personel addition/subtractions if I was the boss. Sounds as if you work for a person with no balls or knowledge, and just lets others do his/her job.

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My point Marvin lets brown pick his coaches. A good coach wouldnt do that.

Do you get to tell your boss what to do? I know I don't....

Yes, I get to tell my boss who my asisstants are going to be. I believe most HC get to pick there asisstants.I wouldnt coach if I was told who was going to work under me.

I'm sure you would if that was your only choice. However, there are some coaches out there that don't get to pick. We don't know if Marvin is one of those or not. Either way, for a while he had no reason to get rid of Brat. They were a top 10 offense for years. The last two years, however, not so much. I've been unimpressed with Brat since the 2005 season. We'll see this offseason if Marvin and Mike feel the same way.

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My point Marvin lets brown pick his coaches. A good coach wouldnt do that.

Do you get to tell your boss what to do? I know I don't....

Yes, I get to tell my boss who my asisstants are going to be. I believe most HC get to pick there asisstants.I wouldnt coach if I was told who was going to work under me.

You wouldnt coach for me than. I would have the final say so on any personel addition/subtractions if I was the boss. Sounds as if you work for a person with no balls or knowledge, and just lets others do his/her job.

What team do you own, or what college are you the president of? Actually a school president or A.D. hires the coach and the head coach hires the assistants most of the time. In the NFL I believe all top notch coaches would tell the bengals to go to hell if offered this job. You only get desperate assistants for jobs like this one and Oakland.

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So you were alright in 05 running the ball only 4 times in the second half when we had the lead to start the second half in the playoff game?

Did I say that? And what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

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My point Marvin lets brown pick his coaches. A good coach wouldnt do that.

Do you get to tell your boss what to do? I know I don't....

Yes, I get to tell my boss who my asisstants are going to be. I believe most HC get to pick there asisstants.I wouldnt coach if I was told who was going to work under me.

You wouldnt coach for me than. I would have the final say so on any personel addition/subtractions if I was the boss. Sounds as if you work for a person with no balls or knowledge, and just lets others do his/her job.

What team do you own, or what college are you the president of? Actually a school president or A.D. hires the coach and the head coach hires the assistants most of the time. In the NFL I believe all top notch coaches would tell the bengals to go to hell if offered this job. You only get desperate assistants for jobs like this one and Oakland.

And what school do you coach for?

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My point Marvin lets brown pick his coaches. A good coach wouldnt do that.

Do you get to tell your boss what to do? I know I don't....

Yes, I get to tell my boss who my asisstants are going to be. I believe most HC get to pick there asisstants.I wouldnt coach if I was told who was going to work under me.

You wouldnt coach for me than. I would have the final say so on any personel addition/subtractions if I was the boss. Sounds as if you work for a person with no balls or knowledge, and just lets others do his/her job.

What team do you own, or what college are you the president of? Actually a school president or A.D. hires the coach and the head coach hires the assistants most of the time. In the NFL I believe all top notch coaches would tell the bengals to go to hell if offered this job. You only get desperate assistants for jobs like this one and Oakland.

Wow, hopefully all you do is coach. You dont even understand the definition of the word IF, but I guess we did have a president that needed the word IS explained to him.

I was giving you a hypothetical (make believe) situation, where if I was your boss, your assistant coaching decisions would have to be final approved by me, your boss. Giving coaches to much leeway can lead to big problems, just like not giving them enough responsibility can lead to bad team performance. There is a balance that needs to be in place for an organization to have success.

I dont think Zimmer was desperate for a job and I do beleive that the Bengals could land a top tier OC, with the potential that this years team has shown.

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The Bengals have had nearly as many season ending injuries as in years past. The difference this year seems to be in the overall talent that had been developed throughout thebdepth charts. Several guys who started their careers onthe PS have filled import roles. Guys like Odom and Roy Williams who in the past would have been the only talent at their position were replaced by very capable back-ups who have been developed by this coaching staff for multiple seasons.

To me, the big difference between this year and last year is that when a player got hurt, for the most part there was a player waiting on the sidelines that could come in without a drastic drop off in talent. Ndukwe, Brandon Johnson, Rucker/Fanene, etc... are a big part of why this team had success this season.

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My point Marvin lets brown pick his coaches. A good coach wouldnt do that.

Do you get to tell your boss what to do? I know I don't....

Yes, I get to tell my boss who my asisstants are going to be. I believe most HC get to pick there asisstants.I wouldnt coach if I was told who was going to work under me.

You wouldnt coach for me than. I would have the final say so on any personel addition/subtractions if I was the boss. Sounds as if you work for a person with no balls or knowledge, and just lets others do his/her job.

What team do you own, or what college are you the president of? Actually a school president or A.D. hires the coach and the head coach hires the assistants most of the time. In the NFL I believe all top notch coaches would tell the bengals to go to hell if offered this job. You only get desperate assistants for jobs like this one and Oakland.

And what school do you coach for?

Franklin College in Indiana

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