QB Controversy Redux

[HoosierCat]

From the gossip gurus at profootballtalk.com:

POSTED 7:46 a.m. EDT, June 25, 2004

 

BENGALS PUSHING FOR KITNA?

 

Word out of Cincy is that, contrary to the public gushings of coach Marvin Lewis regarding quarterback Carson Palmer's development, the consensus among the players is that they want Jon Kitna to remain the starter.

 

The concern, we hear, is that Palmer isn't picking up the system as well as advertised, and that he's not the leader that Kitna is.

 

The Bengals, of course, have little choice but to give the job to Palmer.  He's getting paid like the No. 1 overall draft pick that he was in 2003.  Keeping him on the bench would be a concession to the NFL world that you screwed up in drafting him.

 

And, as we see it, that's yet another reason for not taking a quarterback high in the draft -- unless he's a freak of nature like Falcons quarterback Mike Vick.  With the success of players like Tom Brady and Marc Bulger and Jake Delhomme and Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon and Trent Green and Kurt Warner and Jeff Garcia, the risk of taking a guy at the top of round one who might not work out seems to outweigh the rewards.

 

We're not suggesting that Palmer is the next David Klinger and/or Akili Smith.  The point is that, while coach Lewis is thrusting Palmer into the lineup, the players think that they might have a better alternative in Kitna.  If that feeling lingers, the stage is set for problems in the locker room.

Seems pretty vague to me, just a recycle of the old CP lines (he's dumb, not a leader, etc.). But I'm sure it will stir the pot a bit. Bets this is the subject of Royal We's next letter.

[Kirkendall]

How do they know this? Our local sports shows would have definitely picked up.. hell Andy Fuhrman would have spent a whole show about this. That's all this is is gossip.

However, if this is true, then I can understand the reason why the players think Kitna should start. But I'm not going down the road for the "nth" time.

[Barbarian]

From the gossip gurus at profootballtalk.com:

POSTED 7:46 a.m. EDT, June 25, 2004

 

BENGALS PUSHING FOR KITNA?

 

Word out of Cincy is that, contrary to the public gushings of coach Marvin Lewis regarding quarterback Carson Palmer's development, the consensus among the players is that they want Jon Kitna to remain the starter.

 

The concern, we hear, is that Palmer isn't picking up the system as well as advertised, and that he's not the leader that Kitna is.

 

The Bengals, of course, have little choice but to give the job to Palmer.  He's getting paid like the No. 1 overall draft pick that he was in 2003.  Keeping him on the bench would be a concession to the NFL world that you screwed up in drafting him.

 

And, as we see it, that's yet another reason for not taking a quarterback high in the draft -- unless he's a freak of nature like Falcons quarterback Mike Vick.  With the success of players like Tom Brady and Marc Bulger and Jake Delhomme and Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon and Trent Green and Kurt Warner and Jeff Garcia, the risk of taking a guy at the top of round one who might not work out seems to outweigh the rewards.

 

We're not suggesting that Palmer is the next David Klinger and/or Akili Smith.  The point is that, while coach Lewis is thrusting Palmer into the lineup, the players think that they might have a better alternative in Kitna.  If that feeling lingers, the stage is set for problems in the locker room.

Seems pretty vague to me, just a recycle of the old CP lines (he's dumb, not a leader, etc.). But I'm sure it will stir the pot a bit. Bets this is the subject of Royal We's next letter.

Fact is--is that Kitna deserved more of a shot. He proved himself with the numbers last year and was a Pro Bowl consideration. Highly reliable and tough--Kitna was the only NFL QB to play every down last year. His play was one of the main reasons why the Bungles won 6 more games than the year before.

That to me says a whole lot.

I also think it's Mike Brown-ish as hell to throw a rookie (that means never taken a snap) into the mix when the chemistry was almost there last year. The Big Contract guy starts??? That's bulls**t too. That is also a move that has Mike Brown written all over it.

However, I'm going to give the kid a break here. He seems to have his s**t together. I'm not going to pass judgement until the first season game.

Preseason Games don't mean s**t either--because you don't know who's playing or what kind of Vanilla Defenses the other teams are throwing at you. Regular Season will be the only way to tell.

[derm53]

First time post. But, if anyone thought that Palmer would not start this season they are crazy. Kitna had a career year and was still not able to push the Bengals to the playoffs. With Carson's arm strenght some of the passes that Kitna had int-ed are now going to be tipped balls or completions. Velocity on passes in the NFL can make all the difference.

[JPW]

From the gossip gurus at profootballtalk.com:

POSTED 7:46 a.m. EDT, June 25, 2004

 

BENGALS PUSHING FOR KITNA?

 

Word out of Cincy is that, contrary to the public gushings of coach Marvin Lewis regarding quarterback Carson Palmer's development, the consensus among the players is that they want Jon Kitna to remain the starter.

 

The concern, we hear, is that Palmer isn't picking up the system as well as advertised, and that he's not the leader that Kitna is.

 

The Bengals, of course, have little choice but to give the job to Palmer.  He's getting paid like the No. 1 overall draft pick that he was in 2003.  Keeping him on the bench would be a concession to the NFL world that you screwed up in drafting him.

 

And, as we see it, that's yet another reason for not taking a quarterback high in the draft -- unless he's a freak of nature like Falcons quarterback Mike Vick.  With the success of players like Tom Brady and Marc Bulger and Jake Delhomme and Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon and Trent Green and Kurt Warner and Jeff Garcia, the risk of taking a guy at the top of round one who might not work out seems to outweigh the rewards.

 

We're not suggesting that Palmer is the next David Klinger and/or Akili Smith.  The point is that, while coach Lewis is thrusting Palmer into the lineup, the players think that they might have a better alternative in Kitna.  If that feeling lingers, the stage is set for problems in the locker room.

Seems pretty vague to me, just a recycle of the old CP lines (he's dumb, not a leader, etc.). But I'm sure it will stir the pot a bit. Bets this is the subject of Royal We's next letter.

A few of the past QUOTES concerning Palmer:

{ " BENGALS "ELATED" WITH PALMER....

A league source tells us that the Cincinnati Bengals are "elated" with the performance of quarterback Carson Palmer at the team's first mandatory minicamp, which started Friday and ended Sunday.

Last year, Palmer was parked on the bench while Jon Kitna almost took the Bengals to the playoffs.

Though Kitna is sticking around, there's no dispute or controversy in the Queen City -- the reins have been handed to Palmer, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2003 draft.

And based on the results of the minicamp, Palmer is ready to play like it. }

{ The Bengals are all smiles because Palmer - three months after coach Marvin Lewis appointed him starter - is showing significant growth as an NFL quarterback.

"The basic things, the presence in the huddle, the ability to hear a play, repeat it in the huddle and fix something that I might have called wrong - such as the protection to one side instead of the other, being able to fix those," offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski said.

"All those are areas where you can see progress and his command of understanding what we're doing - the formation, who's lining up where, who's running what route." }

{ "He knows what he's doing.

He's not like situations we had here in the past where people, coaches and personnel people were questioning if a guy knew what he was doing," right tackle Willie Anderson said. }

{ Even Kitna, a class act by all standards, couldn't help but know last year it was only a matter of time before Palmer took over.

Kitna, you see, was one of the many who marveled at the skills of his backup.

"He does stuff every day that we wish we could do," said Kitna last fall.

"Me and Shane (Matthews) would just kind of grin at each other every time he made one of those big-time throws." }

{ His ability to throw the deep ball will help open up the offense.

A year ago, Kitna didn't hit as many deep throws as the coaches wanted, sometimes coming up short to an open receiver.

Palmer's arm will change that.

"He's one of the best passers on the move and he's very accurate on the medium-range throws," said Bratkowski.

"But his ability to throw the deep ball really will be a strength we play to with him." }

{ "He's got the most skill and ability of anybody we've got in the building," Marvin Lewis said after Friday's practice. " }

Notice that all but one of these Quotes actually has a Name connected to it.

Profootballtalk.com flat out, comes off Sounding like a Al Gore speech on this one.

I know that Football News is slow this time of year.....

But give me a Massive Break, having no news is better than being feed Bull-s**t...

[Kirkendall]

First time post. But, if anyone thought that Palmer would not start this season they are crazy. Kitna had a career year and was still not able to push the Bengals to the playoffs. With Carson's arm strenght some of the passes that Kitna had int-ed are now going to be tipped balls or completions. Velocity on passes in the NFL can make all the difference.

Kitna isn't the only member of the team. There were 11 guys on defense that forced Kitna to score almost every possession. Sure Carson, probably could take it a little further, but the defense didn't help us at all.

Welcome to the board Dermy!

[CTBengalsFan]

From the gossip gurus at profootballtalk.com:

POSTED 7:46 a.m. EDT, June 25, 2004

 

BENGALS PUSHING FOR KITNA?

 

Word out of Cincy is that, contrary to the public gushings of coach Marvin Lewis regarding quarterback Carson Palmer's development, the consensus among the players is that they want Jon Kitna to remain the starter.

 

The concern, we hear, is that Palmer isn't picking up the system as well as advertised, and that he's not the leader that Kitna is.

 

The Bengals, of course, have little choice but to give the job to Palmer.  He's getting paid like the No. 1 overall draft pick that he was in 2003.  Keeping him on the bench would be a concession to the NFL world that you screwed up in drafting him.

 

And, as we see it, that's yet another reason for not taking a quarterback high in the draft -- unless he's a freak of nature like Falcons quarterback Mike Vick.  With the success of players like Tom Brady and Marc Bulger and Jake Delhomme and Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon and Trent Green and Kurt Warner and Jeff Garcia, the risk of taking a guy at the top of round one who might not work out seems to outweigh the rewards.

 

We're not suggesting that Palmer is the next David Klinger and/or Akili Smith.  The point is that, while coach Lewis is thrusting Palmer into the lineup, the players think that they might have a better alternative in Kitna.  If that feeling lingers, the stage is set for problems in the locker room.

Seems pretty vague to me, just a recycle of the old CP lines (he's dumb, not a leader, etc.). But I'm sure it will stir the pot a bit. Bets this is the subject of Royal We's next letter.

Fact is--is that Kitna deserved more of a shot. He proved himself with the numbers last year and was a Pro Bowl consideration. Highly reliable and tough--Kitna was the only NFL QB to play every down last year. His play was one of the main reasons why the Bungles won 6 more games than the year before.

That to me says a whole lot.

I also think it's Mike Brown-ish as hell to throw a rookie (that means never taken a snap) into the mix when the chemistry was almost there last year. The Big Contract guy starts??? That's bulls**t too. That is also a move that has Mike Brown written all over it.

However, I'm going to give the kid a break here. He seems to have his s**t together. I'm not going to pass judgement until the first season game.

Preseason Games don't mean s**t either--because you don't know who's playing or what kind of Vanilla Defenses the other teams are throwing at you. Regular Season will be the only way to tell.

how did kitna do in all the losses?

how many 150 yard games did rudi have in our wins?

don't get me wrong, i love the guy, but carson is the future. i feel pretty confident about that.

[BengalszoneBilly]

don't get me wrong, i love the guy, but carson is the future. i feel pretty confident about that.

I'll second that!

[CincyMajik8705]

And I'll third. I like Kitna too but I don't believe he can take us to the playoffs. He got our wheels moving forward but we need the big arm to keep the motor running full boar :player:

[JPW]

From the gossip gurus at profootballtalk.com:

POSTED 7:46 a.m. EDT, June 25, 2004

 

BENGALS PUSHING FOR KITNA?

 

Word out of Cincy is that, contrary to the public gushings of coach Marvin Lewis regarding quarterback Carson Palmer's development, the consensus among the players is that they want Jon Kitna to remain the starter.

 

The concern, we hear, is that Palmer isn't picking up the system as well as advertised, and that he's not the leader that Kitna is.

 

The Bengals, of course, have little choice but to give the job to Palmer.  He's getting paid like the No. 1 overall draft pick that he was in 2003.  Keeping him on the bench would be a concession to the NFL world that you screwed up in drafting him.

 

And, as we see it, that's yet another reason for not taking a quarterback high in the draft -- unless he's a freak of nature like Falcons quarterback Mike Vick.  With the success of players like Tom Brady and Marc Bulger and Jake Delhomme and Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon and Trent Green and Kurt Warner and Jeff Garcia, the risk of taking a guy at the top of round one who might not work out seems to outweigh the rewards.

 

We're not suggesting that Palmer is the next David Klinger and/or Akili Smith.  The point is that, while coach Lewis is thrusting Palmer into the lineup, the players think that they might have a better alternative in Kitna.  If that feeling lingers, the stage is set for problems in the locker room.

Seems pretty vague to me, just a recycle of the old CP lines (he's dumb, not a leader, etc.). But I'm sure it will stir the pot a bit. Bets this is the subject of Royal We's next letter.

Here is a Quote from JOHN THORNTON - JUNE 29, 2004:

"By the way, internet rumors of a divided locker room are false. At least all of the players I talk to, and I talk to just about everyone, feel that Carson will do a fine job. We feel the same way about Jon Kitna. That doesn't mean that we have to choose sides. This team is much closer than last year's team and the season hasn't even started. If everyone does their job, we will be division champs. Plain and simple."

I would think that John Thornton is in a better position to know, what the "consensus" of the Team is, than some outside web-site.

[yayaimhipimhip]

Kitna knew the day Palmer was drafted (if not before) that his time was #'d as the Bengals look to the future.Kitna was excellant last year and no blame should befall on him because they didn't make the playoffs.I second the defense in being a major source for that.Also,the offensive scheme wasn't best suited for him.Today's scheme that's best suited for Palmer also is best suited for Kitna.

I feel confident if Kitna was #1 the Bengals would indeed make the playoffs this year.On the other hand Palmer has just a good a chance in accomplishing that.And he IS the one we are looking for to lead us there for many years to come.Palmer has to be the starter this year with Jon ready to take over if/when he gets careless or sloppy.

Don't beleive in any controversy as Jon knows the direction the Bengals have invested in and are taking.He has graceously accepted the role the Bengals are asking from him or probably would have wanted to be traded.I think he understands he still fills a vital role and the Bengal's chances of "RING' are as good if not better than quite a few other NFL teams.

It's a shame he has to step down this year when the Bengals look to be their strongest in decades.No question he deserves the chance to run the show,BUT timing and circumstance will take precedence.

Kitna...a first class act!!

[chrishcovga]

According to the Sporting News, and writer Chuck Ludwig, they're predicting that Carson will throw more touchdowns than Kitna did last year ( 26 ) and throw less interceptions than Kitna did a year ago ( 15 ).

* At the same time, Ludwig goes on to say that June's aquisition of DT Daryl Gardner would be a significant help to our Defense this year.

- Anyone got 'ol Chuckster's phone number..??

[BengalszoneBilly]

- Anyone got 'ol Chuckster's phone number..??

Yeah. I think it's 1-800-dumb-ass.