Baghdad_bengal Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 The Bengals are really starting to scare me. First off the attempted signing of Michael Vick worries me a lot. J.T. O'Sullivan is a great back up. So why Vick? Are there worries about Palmer's health? Why the need to sign a former first round draft pick in a position that is already filled? The Bengals offered more money to Vick than Philadelphia but only one year. I would understand floating a feeler out there but this seems a little fishy.Second. Carson needs to get out there against New England! I don't want to risk his ankle but his timing was way off. He really needs to get the cobwebs out, shake off the rust, and get comfortable out there. I don't want to "ease" into the season losing games we could have won because the timing is off. That is what pre-season is all about. I swear if the Bengals use Palmer very little during spring training and the team opens with a time-out or delay of game, again, I will through something at the TV. Finally, on a good note, Chris Henry looks good. I heard throughout the off season that Henry has a new look at life, is not getting into trouble and worked out all off season. I was skeptical but I liked what I saw so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I think it's ok for Palmer to sit out this week if the ankle is tweeked, but no more than that. I don't understand the Vick thing either. Brown really went out on a limb with that one. The national media went crazy when he picked up players like Tank, Henry, and Scott. Could you imagine what would've happened if we actually signed Vick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I don't think the begnals can really count on Palmer. Even if he happens to stay healthy for a change, he obviously is not the same player he used to be. His throws don't have the same zip they used to. They seem to hang in the air longer. He throws off his back foot a lot, and his passes are inconsistent in terms of accuracy. The guy used to throw darts. He has really struggled on 3rd down in recent years, especially on medium didstances of 3rd down and about 5 yards to go, whcih are usually pretty easy to convert. And he has not been good in the red zone.That said, I don't think that's why the bengals may have been interested in Vick (if that report is true). They probably just see him as a playmaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I don't think the begnals can really count on Palmer. Even if he happens to stay healthy for a change, he obviously is not the same player he used to be. His throws don't have the same zip they used to. They seem to hang in the air longer. He throws off his back foot a lot, and his passes are inconsistent in terms of accuracy. The guy used to throw darts. He has really struggled on 3rd down in recent years, especially on medium didstances of 3rd down and about 5 yards to go, whcih are usually pretty easy to convert. And he has not been good in the red zone.That said, I don't think that's why the bengals may have been interested in Vick (if that report is true). They probably just see him as a playmaker.palmer seemed to me, passed the ball pretty damn well against the saints. palmer passes looked crisp and had a lot zip. other than throwing right to vilma. but his heath and being able to stay healthy is a bigger concern. palmer was 7/11 for 133, that a 12.1 yards ypp. guys with limp noodles for arms don't have those kinds of averges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 J.T. O'Sullivan is a great back up. So why Vick? Sorry, not all that into this topic, but this quote jumped out at me. WTF are you talking about. O'Sullivan is a step down from Fitzpatrick. He sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I don't think the begnals can really count on Palmer. Even if he happens to stay healthy for a change, he obviously is not the same player he used to be. His throws don't have the same zip they used to. They seem to hang in the air longer. He throws off his back foot a lot, and his passes are inconsistent in terms of accuracy. The guy used to throw darts. He has really struggled on 3rd down in recent years, especially on medium didstances of 3rd down and about 5 yards to go, whcih are usually pretty easy to convert. And he has not been good in the red zone.That said, I don't think that's why the bengals may have been interested in Vick (if that report is true). They probably just see him as a playmaker.OK, before we go any further, care to elaborate about who they should count on exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 J.T. O'Sullivan is a great back up. So why Vick? Sorry, not all that into this topic, but this quote jumped out at me. WTF are you talking about. O'Sullivan is a step down from Fitzpatrick. He sucks.Wrong. JTO made throws on Friday that Fitzpatrick only dreams of making. I'm not saying that JTO is the best backup in the world, but he's lightyears better then Fitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 At least we don't have that most tedious of situations where the most popular guy amongst fans is always the backup QB.Ours always suck, especially in comparison with Palmer. Every team is up the creek when their backup QB goes down anyway (Pats excepted). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Ok, JT is better than Fitz, but that's not saying much. They both suck.Vick, while he would have created a sh*t storm I'm not sure this team could have handled, is better than JT or Jordan given the situation that Carson goes down and I say that with him having been out of football for as long as he has. He changes things when he's out there and makes defenses account for that. While I'm not saying Vick is going to ever be a starter in this league again, I just think the organization thought they would be better off with him than what they currently have if something happened to Carson. I don't disagree.As for how Carson is throwing, you need only look to the players catching the ball from him and they all have made comments about how his velocity is there and how well the ball is coming off in practice. While he still has to work on the timing issues and getting the ball right where he wants it, I'm not ready to be all concerned about that at this point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 J.T. O'Sullivan is a great back up. So why Vick? Sorry, not all that into this topic, but this quote jumped out at me. WTF are you talking about. O'Sullivan is a step down from Fitzpatrick. He sucks.Not many QB's are a step down from Fitz. He is like Chad Pennington without the accuracy and game smarts. With that said, Vick would be a WAY better QB than O'sullivan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 J.T. O'Sullivan is a great back up. So why Vick? Sorry, not all that into this topic, but this quote jumped out at me. WTF are you talking about. O'Sullivan is a step down from Fitzpatrick. He sucks.Wrong. JTO made throws on Friday that Fitzpatrick only dreams of making. I'm not saying that JTO is the best backup in the world, but he's lightyears better then Fitz.The only problem is that O'Sullivan typically throws a nice spiral to the opposing player. Fitz rating last year was 70.0 and JTO's was 73.6 (I'm throwing out the 48.2 he had with the Lions). Thus, at absolute best, these guys are close to equal in suck. O'Sullivan's not lightyears better than anybody. That said, I admire your defense of the guy and am shocked that anybody thinks that much of him. My guess, however, is that if he has to play significant time, his decision-making shortcomings will become all too apparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 J.T. O'Sullivan is a great back up. So why Vick? Sorry, not all that into this topic, but this quote jumped out at me. WTF are you talking about. O'Sullivan is a step down from Fitzpatrick. He sucks.Wrong. JTO made throws on Friday that Fitzpatrick only dreams of making. I'm not saying that JTO is the best backup in the world, but he's lightyears better then Fitz.The only problem is that O'Sullivan typically throws a nice spiral to the opposing player. Fitz rating last year was 70.0 and JTO's was 73.6 (I'm throwing out the 48.2 he had with the Lions). Thus, at absolute best, these guys are close to equal in suck. O'Sullivan's not lightyears better than anybody. That said, I admire your defense of the guy and am shocked that anybody thinks that much of him. My guess, however, is that if he has to play significant time, his decision-making shortcomings will become all too apparent.I didn't say he was perfect, but he is way better than Fitzy. We haven't seen QB play like Fitzy's last year since Akili was running around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 It bothers me though how the team kept saying that this ankle sprain is nothing and he will be back in no time, and now hes day to day and going to probably miss the next game and who knows how many more. He needs all the reps he can get out there, and if he has to miss more then this game coming up thats just not good. Im just sick of how they always down play injuries around here, and then they turn out to be more serious then we thought. Now it seems to be happing again, so lets just hope its no more then this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 It bothers me though how the team kept saying that this ankle sprain is nothing and he will be back in no time, and now hes day to day and going to probably miss the next game and who knows how many more. Volcom, was this you? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABsdHUay6GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 What could they really do about it at this point anyway? Any guy we trade for will be a tinker's cuss above JTO in ability (outside of some mega-trade involving 2 or three of our best players for a servicable QB and sanctioned by Mikey - so yeah, that isn't happening or sensible).Let's just hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybe someone gets cut that gives them a better option, but I don't think they will make any moves in that regard. I honestly see them drafting a QB at some point next year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybe someone gets cut that gives them a better option, but I don't think they will make any moves in that regard. I honestly see them drafting a QB at some point next year as well.Right, if a guy they like the look is cut then maybe. Other than that, they can't really be proactive about it. I agree with about drafting a QB soon. Carson is a few short weeks away from 30 and already is beaten up. It would be wise to draft now and not wait until the 2 or 3 yrs when it might be/probably will be too late. Not that his ability will ever be in doubt but 2 or 3 yrs from now, his injury woes won't be diminishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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