Roster and Depth Chart predictions

[Wraith]

I think he means Jeremy Johnson.....wasn't Jeremiah Johnson the mountain man played by Robert Redford in the movie of the same name in the late 70's?

[TJJackson]

I don't see Cummey getting any love in this thread, but I will say i think it is likely he earns a spot this year if (as with anyone) he remains healthy

I'll add that Bobbie is at an age where he might be a surprise cut in camp. Possibly even an early camp cut, to give him a chance to catch on elsewhere, since the guy has been nothing but a professional and an all-around nice guy since he arrived. Yeah, I know, there's only two starters left so he can't possibly be cut......I get that, but I'd still say age and salary makes him a marked man in this young man's sport

When is his contract up?

[Kazkal]

I meant James Johnson Bah...................

I don't see Cummey getting any love in this thread, but I will say i think it is likely he earns a spot this year if (as with anyone) he remains healthy

Well it doesn't seem like team is giving him any love when they've talked about centers it's always been Cook & Santucci who get mentioned.....Then we draft Luigs so it just seems like cummey is the odd man out....

[Wraith]

Offense:

QB: Carson Palmer, J.T. O'Sullivan, Jordan Palmer (3)

RB: Cedric Benson, Brian Leonard, Bernard Scott (6)

FB: Fui Vakapuna (7)

WR 1: Chad Ochenta y Cinco, Jerome Simpson (9)

WR 2: Laverneus Coles, Chris Henry (11)

WR 3: Andre Caldwell, Quan Cosby (13)

TE: Ben Utecht, Chase Coffman (15)

LT: Andre Smith, Andrew Whitworth, Anthony Collins (18)

LG: Andrew Whitworth, Scott Koostra, Kyle Cook (20)

C: Kyle Cook, Jonathan Luigs, Andrew Crummey (22)

RG: Bobbie Williams, Nate Livings, Dennis Roland (25)

RT: Anthony Collins, Dennis Roland, Bobbie Williams (25)

Defense:

LDE: Anwan Odom, Michael Johnson (27)

LDT: Domata Peko, Pat Sims, Clinton MacDonald (30)

RDT: Tank Johnson, Jason Shirley, Jon Fanene (33)

RDE: Robert Geathers, Jon Fanene (34)

3/4 DE Clinton MacDonald, Tank Johnson, Jon Fanene

3/4 NT Jason Shirley, Domata Peko

WOLB: Keith Rivers, Brandon Johnson (36)

MLB: Dhani Jones, Rey Maualuga (38)

SOLB: Rey Maualuga, Rashad Jeanty, Darryl Blackstock, Michael Johnson (40)

3/4 MLB Dhani Jones, Rey Maualuga

3/4 OLB Brandon Johnson, Michael Johnson, Darryl Blackstock

SS: Roy Williams, Chine Ndukwe (42)

FS: Chris Crocker, Corey Lynch, Marvin White (45)

LCB: Jonathan Joseph, Rod Hood??? (47)

RCB: Leon Hall, David Jones, Morgan Trent (50)

NCB: Rod Hood?, David Jones, Corey Lynch (50)

P: Kevin Huber (51)

K: Shayne Graham (52)

LS: James Smith (53)

[HAPPYJAQ]

I see Crummey as a player who will have a good chance at making the roster. He was an All-American and All-ACC player his senior season, despite missing 7 games with a broken leg. He was projected as a possibly 3rd or 4th round pick, before he broke his leg again in the East-West game. He ended up playing the entire game with the injury and NFL teams didn't find out until he showed up at the Combine wearing a walking boot. The doctors estimated the recovery time for the injury as 5-7 months, so he wasn't 100% until late in the season lat year.

At the minimum, he should be able to challenge Santucci for a spot.

[redsbengalsbucks]

Offense:

QB: Carson Palmer, J.T. O'Sullivan, Jordan Palmer (3)

RB: Cedric Benson, Brian Leonard, Bernard Scott (6)

FB: Fui Vakapuna (7)

WR 1: Chad Ochenta y Cinco, Jerome Simpson (9)

WR 2: Laverneus Coles, Chris Henry (11)

WR 3: Andre Caldwell, Quan Cosby (13)

TE: Ben Utecht, Chase Coffman (15)

LT: Andre Smith, Andrew Whitworth, Anthony Collins (18)

LG: Andrew Whitworth, Scott Koostra, Kyle Cook (20)

C: Kyle Cook, Jonathan Luigs, Andrew Crummey (22)

RG: Bobbie Williams, Nate Livings, Dennis Roland (25)

RT: Anthony Collins, Dennis Roland, Bobbie Williams (25)

Defense:

LDE: Anwan Odom, Michael Johnson (27)

LDT: Domata Peko, Pat Sims, Clinton MacDonald (30)

RDT: Tank Johnson, Jason Shirley, Jon Fanene (33)

RDE: Robert Geathers, Jon Fanene (34)

3/4 DE Clinton MacDonald, Tank Johnson, Jon Fanene

3/4 NT Jason Shirley, Domata Peko

WOLB: Keith Rivers, Brandon Johnson (36)

MLB: Dhani Jones, Rey Maualuga (38)

SOLB: Rey Maualuga, Rashad Jeanty, Darryl Blackstock, Michael Johnson (40)

3/4 MLB Dhani Jones, Rey Maualuga

3/4 OLB Brandon Johnson, Michael Johnson, Darryl Blackstock

SS: Roy Williams, Chine Ndukwe (42)

FS: Chris Crocker, Corey Lynch, Marvin White (45)

LCB: Jonathan Joseph, Rod Hood??? (47)

RCB: Leon Hall, David Jones, Morgan Trent (50)

NCB: Rod Hood?, David Jones, Corey Lynch (50)

P: Kevin Huber (51)

K: Shayne Graham (52)

LS: James Smith (53)

I'd rather keep Rucker instead of Fanene, Herbert instead of Lynch and if Jeremi Johnson has rededicated himself to football I want him back, his experience in the system is a big positive.

[redsbengalsbucks]

I see Crummey as a player who will have a good chance at making the roster. He was an All-American and All-ACC player his senior season, despite missing 7 games with a broken leg. He was projected as a possibly 3rd or 4th round pick, before he broke his leg again in the East-West game. He ended up playing the entire game with the injury and NFL teams didn't find out until he showed up at the Combine wearing a walking boot. The doctors estimated the recovery time for the injury as 5-7 months, so he wasn't 100% until late in the season lat year.

At the minimum, he should be able to challenge Santucci for a spot.

IMO that shouldnt be hard Santucci is a G that they are trying to make a C, he has alot more to learn before he can contribute.

[Wraith]

Jon adds a dimension of being able to play DT on passing down or 3/4 DE. Lynch is a better nickleback and just as good a special teamer IMHO. This roster cut down should definately be interesting because no matter whatthey do they will cut some good football players. I believe JJ is done but if he isn't you are right they keep him.

[HAPPYJAQ]

It's going to be real interesting on the D-line.

You would have to assume that Geathers, Odom, Peko and Sims are locks. Rucker is a semi-lock (unless he's injured in the preseason, where I can see Marvin cutting him). I think that Shirley males it as Peko's only real backup and the fact that he might have the most upside of any of the Bengals defensive linemen. That would lead to a battle for two spots between Tank, Fanene, Blackstock and McDonald (I see MJ being listed as a LB).

Call me crazy, but I can see a scenario where McDonald could possibly beat out Fanene or Tank. I like Blackstock, but MJ essentially takes his spot as the pash-rushing OLB/DE.

[BengalsWorldAdmin]

Martin Smith

05/13/08

It’s that time of year, Bengals Fans: Time to speculate who is in, who is out, and who is barely hanging on. Without further delay, here are my picks for the Bengals opening day roster.

QB (Currently on Roster: Carson Palmer, J.T. O’Sullivan, Jordan Palmer, Billy Farris

1. Carson Palmer- The franchise and really a no brainer.

2. J.T. O’Sullivan- JT was brought in to play a similar role that Ryan Fitzpatrick. Not a guy you want starting long term, but a serviceable backup

3. Jordan Palmer- If little brother is happy, then Carson is happy. Jordan seems more than content to hold a clipboard and collect a pay check

HB/TB (Cedric Benson, James Johnson, Brian Leonard, Bernard Scott, Kenny Watson, DeDe Dorsey, Marlon Lucky)

1. Cedric Benson- By his play over the last eight games, he’s earned it. If you stretch his production out over 16 games, he would have had almost 1,000 yards. For a guy off the street playing behind a patchwork line, it was a tremendous effort

2. James Johnson- Bit of a shocker here, but Johnson impressed coaches dating back to last year’s training camp, and he showed some flashes down the stretch. Look for him to see a few more snaps

3. Brian Leonard- the Bengals new third down back arriving via a trade with the Rams for DT Orien Harris. Will see some snaps on the goal line and on 3rd down.

FB (Jeremi Johnson, Fui Vakapuna, Chris Pressley, JD Runnels)

1. Fui Vakapuna- Fui reminds the Bengals a lot of Naufahu Tahi, whom they signed to an offer sheet that the Vikings matched (As an aside, Tahi and Vakapuna are cousins). Look for Fui to make the roster and to be brought along Gradually

WR (Chad Ocho Cinco, Laveranues Coles, Chris Henry, Andre Caldwell, Jerome Simpson, Maurice Purify, Freddie Brown, Antonio Chatman, Quan Cosby, Mario Urrutia, David Richmond, Greg Orton)

1. Chad Ocho Cinco- Stop the speculation, the Ocho is going nowhere. Not even Drew Rosenhaus is as hard headed as Mike Brown.

2. Laveranues Coles- Coles is TJ Houshmandzadeh with better career stats, a better attitude, and a cheaper contract and oh, he’s two years younger.

3. Chris Henry- This guy could be the next coming of Randy Moss. He could also be the next Rae Carruth. In speaking t Henry, it seems like he finally “Gets it”. Let’s hope that’s true

4. Jerome Simpson- You will not cut a second round pick after one year. The chatter is that Simpson is vastly improved. If so, he gives another option to an already deep WR Corps

5. Andre Caldwell- Last year’s third rounder is said to be a poor man’s TJ. Let’s hope Caldwell is more of a team player and less of a "me first" type of guy.

6. Quan Cosby- Rumor has it the Undrafted free agent can return punts. If he’s even marginally better that other options, look for him to land the job.

TE (Chase Coffman, Reggie Kelly, Ben Utecht, Matt Sherry, Darius Hill, Daniel Coats)

1. Reggie Kelly- A tenacious blocker in the run game, Kelly was brought back at the bequest of Carson Palmer back in 2006. He’s getting a little older, but don’t look for him to go anywhere in 2009

2. Chase Coffman- Chase is a rookie out of Missouri that should give Bob Bratowski another option in what could be a lethal Bengals Passing game.

3. Ben Utecht- Ben was supposed to come in and make a difference in the Bengals passing game, but was limited due to injuries and quarterback play. He’ll need to make a difference this year to hold on to his job for 2009

T (Anthony Collins, Andre Smith, Dennis Roland, Scott Kooistra)

1. Anthony Collins- last year’s 4th round pick was a pleasant surprise, starting six games down the stretch and playing quite well. Look for Collins to start at RT

2. Andre Smith- despite ongoing agent issues, Smith is a LT in the mold of Levi Jones, except that he is less injury prone and a better run blocker

3. Scott Kooistra- Kooistra is a 7 year vet that has spent his entire career in Cincinnati. A situational starter, Kooistra can move inside to play G as well

4. Dennis Roland- at 6’9, 325 pounds, Roland is an imposing figure. A former undrafted free agent, Roland is a nice situational blocker that can provide the occasional start.

G (Andrew Whitworth, Bobbie Williams, Nate Livings, Evan Mathias, Colin Dow, Digger Bujnoch)

1. Andrew Whitworth- at 6’7, 330, Whitworth is a mauler in the classic sense. He is the heart and soul of the Bengals O-Line, and a team leader as well. Look for Whit to push for his 1st Pro Bowl in 2009. Can also slide out to T.

2. Bobbie Williams- The veteran presence on the O-Line, Williams is heading into his 10thyear, but still has some tread on the tires. Look for him to start at RG

3. Nate Livings- Another guard out of LSU, Livings came on strong last season, starting the last 6 games and filling in nicely for Whitworth. Looks to be the eventual replacement for Bobbie Williams

4. Digger Bujnoch- a bit of a wild card here, but Digger is a Cincinnati product whose father Glen was a member of the 1981 Super Bowl team. Digger played T in college and has also seen several snaps at C for the Bengals. One of the last guys that will make the cut.

C (Kyle Cook, Jonathan Lugis, Dan Santucci, Andrew Crummey)

1. Kyle Cook- the (gulp) incumbent going into 2009. Cook was slated to make is first start on October 5th against Dallas last year, but dislocated his toe and went on injured reserve. A stop-gap, nothing more

2. Jonathan Lugis- The future at C for the Bengals. Lugis is smart, athletic and talented. Look for the 2007 Rimington award winner to push for the starting job from day one.

K (Shayne Graham)

1. Shayne Graham- The team’s franchise player, Graham will be the Bengals kicker in 2009, barring injury

P (Kevin Huber)

1. Kevin Huber- the Bengals were elated that Huber was available in round 5, and Huber goes into TC as the only punter on the Bengals roster.

LS (Brad St. Louis, James Smith)

1. James Smith- Another surprise here, Smith will be the third rookie LS to come to camp to take Brad St Louis’s job. Look for Smith to be the one to do it

DE (Antwan Odom, Robert Geathers, Frostee Rucker, Jonathan Fanene, Chris Harrington, Michael Johnson, Clinton McDonald)

1. Antwan Odom- the Bengals biggest FA coup in 2008 turned out to be a bust in 2008. Several injuries derailed Odom, who showed flashes of playmaking ability. Rumor has it that Odom is packed another 35 pounds of muscle on his 6’5 frame, which he’ll need in the AFC North

2. Robert Geathers- Since his 10.5 sack season in 2006, Geathers has been beset by injuries to himself and the LB core that have forced him to move around. The window is closing quickly for Geathers, who must perform in 2009 to hold Michael Johnson off

3. Michael Johnson- At points a consensus top 10 pick in the 2009 draft, Johnson fell into the Bengals lap in the third round. One of the most physically gifted players to come to Cincinnati in years; it’ll be up to Marvin Lewis to light a fire under Johnson.

4. Jonathan Fanene- Fanene had worked his way into the starting lineup after injuries forced Odom and Geathers out. He responded with a pair of 10 tackle games. Fanene can also move inside on passing downs.

DT (Domata Peko, Pat Sims, Tank Johnson, Jason Shirley, Pernell Phillips)

1. Domata Peko- An unquestioned leader of the defense, Peko has been all the Bengals have hoped for and more since drafting him. Will start at DT

2. Pat Sims- A pleasant surprise out of last year’s third round, Sims goes in as the starter in the other DT slot. Look for Sims to become an every down DT

3. Tank Johnson- This was the move that brought attention to the Bengals for all the wrong reasons. Tank failed as a 3-4 NT/DE in Dallas, so it will be interesting to see how he does in Cincy’s 4-3

4. Jason Shirley- Shirley was a developmental prospect taken in the 5th round of last year’s draft. It remains to be seen if the 6’5, 338 pound Shirley, who has 4.9 speed, can crack the lineup

LB (Dhani Jones, Keith Rivers, Brandon Johnson, Darryl Blackstock, Jim Maxwell, Rey Maualuga, Abdul Hodge, Dan Stuka)

1. Dhani Jones- Dhani was another waiver wire gem for the Bengals. All he has done since his arrival is lead the team in tackles, play all three LB spots, and host his own show on the Discovery Channel.

2. Keith Rivers- Last year’s first round pick, Rivers was showing flashes of greatness until what many have said was a chap shot by Steelers WR Hines Ward Broke his jaw and ended his season.

3. Rey Maualuga- By far the steal of the 2009 Draft, Maualuga is a two-time All American and Bednarik award winner who brings instant hitting power and swagger to a defense that sorely needs it.

4. Brandon Johnson- Johnson filled in nicely for the injured rivers, Inking 85 tackles, 1.5 sacks and 2 picks in just 9 starts. Johnson is a key to the depth of the Bengals defense.

5. Darryl Blackstock- Despite missing 4 games to suspension last year, Blackstock proved himself to be the ultimate team player and jack of all trades when he moved to DE after a rash of injuries. Strong special teams play ensures him a roster spot.

6. Rashad Jeanty- Jeanty is another one of the CFL starts the Bengals seem to covet. In taking to Jeanty's agent David Canter, Jeanty is not happy with the fact that he was not given a long term contract. Look for this to be Jeanty's last season in Cincinnati.

CB (Leon Hall, Jonathan Joseph, Morgan Trent, David Jones, Geoffrey Pope, Rico Murray, Simeon Castille)

1. Leon Hall- Hall’s coverage skills in Mike Zimmer’s defense improved drastically in a season which saw him with the duty of covering each opponent’s top receiver. Look for his ball skills to improve in 2009

2. Jonathan Joseph- Since entering the league, Joseph is top in passes defended. With Hall on the opposite side, teams are not going to have any choice but to throw at Joseph, and he can make them pay

3. Morgan Trent- Trent is a 6th round pick out of Michigan. With an apparent lack of depth behind Hall and Joseph, look for Trent to earn playing time right away

4. Simeon Castille- The former Alabama CB started last season on the 53 man roster, and should start there again in 2009 as a key special teams player

5. Rico Murray- a mid major CB out of Kent State, Murray looks to pull a Simeon Castille and make the 53 man roster for opening day. This could change if the Bengals sign a veteran corner such as Rod Hood

FS/SS (Chris Crocker, Chinedum Ndukwe, Roy Williams, Marvin White, Corey Lynch, Tom Nelson, Kyries Herbert)

1. Chris Crocker- after being signed off the street, Crocker was the leader of the Bengals defensive backfield. He seems to be a great fit for Zimmer’s defensive scheme, and should make a big impact in 2009

2. Chinedum Ndukwe- Ndukwe has become famous for his big hits and timely, game changing plays. Look for him to share time with Crocker and Williams

3. Roy Williams. The former 1st round pick was cut by Dallas because they did not think he could cut it. Williams joins the Bengals with a chip on his shoulder, and a lot to prove.

4. Corey Lynch- Lynch reminds many Bengals fans of Kevin Kaesviharn. He’s not the most physically gifted player, put he plays smart and at full throttle. Look for him to contribute heavily, especially on special teams

5. Marvin White- White is known as a fierce hitter that does not shy away from contact. A knee injury will likely start his season on the PUP, but he should come back and contribute

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[Kazkal]

QB-Agreed

RB-Well I'd like t o see us keep 5 backs but leaning towards 2 Fullback's myself

FB-Pressley has Dominate lead blocker Oneal the 2nd written all over him...But I think they keep Fui who has more experience running & catching..

WR-Agreed

FB-Agreed

T-Looks fine

G-Looks fine but I think the 3rd center may also latch on as the 4th guard.

ST-Agreed

DE & DT-I could see Rucker being kept as a 9th if they do use Johnson as a end/lb....

LB's only 5? doubtful more then likely we'll keep 6.....

CB:4 is trash 5 I dunno nothing about and I doubt David Jones is out since he was nickle/starter last year and coaches seem to like him...

S:Once again if Hebert doesn't get any love the guy is a Fierce Special teamer who because of his play & Swagger on special teams more then likely get's one of the other safeties stashed on the IR list.

PS,why not just put this on the other thread?

[ArmyBengal]

PS,why not just put this on the other thread?

Agreed, done...

[Baraka]

I have to believe that frostee will make the roster unless he gets injured, again. in the limited time he has been on the field he's made plays. also i don't see david jones not making it and based on on his college credentials andrew crummey is pretty intriguing now that his leg is completely healed.

looking over the roster, especially on the defensive side there seems to be a lot of depth. i can't remember the last time the bengals could say that.

[Spor_tees]

I have to believe that frostee will make the roster unless he gets injured, again. in the limited time he has been on the field he's made plays. also i don't see david jones not making it and based on on his college credentials andrew crummey is pretty intriguing now that his leg is completely healed.

looking over the roster, especially on the defensive side there seems to be a lot of depth. i can't remember the last time the bengals could say that.

Eh, we have said it a couple times the last few years, but the problem is people end up getting hurt or they don't live up to their potential. Even some of the guys we think are good and shouldn't get cut, end up out on the street because no other team think they are even worthy of a job. It's all relative, and whether we want to admit it or not, we do look at our own players through rose colored glasses sometimes.

Case in point, Landon Johnson. In Cincy he lead the team in tackles 3 years in a row, and seemed to always be playing through pain. He leaves town for Carolina and can't sniff the field but maybe a couple plays a game on special teams. Many here thought it was a horrible move to let him walk, but was he really that good?

Then you on occasion get the opposite. Kevin Walter was nothing more than a special teams player in Cincy that was the 6th WR on the roster. Now he is in Texas playing the #2 WR spot and doing pretty well at it. He would have been a bargain to keep at the time as a #3-#4 WR but Cincy didn't think he was that good. Boy were they wrong!

Just for poops and popsickles, how many people wouldn't mind having Keiwan Ratliff right now as the nickleback? Cincy thought he was done yet he has played for 2 of the top teams in the league (Patriots and Colts) and just signed with another top team in Pittsburgh. Funny how he is good enough for them, but not good enough for the Bengals.

[HAPPYJAQ]

I have to believe that frostee will make the roster unless he gets injured, again. in the limited time he has been on the field he's made plays. also i don't see david jones not making it and based on on his college credentials andrew crummey is pretty intriguing now that his leg is completely healed.

looking over the roster, especially on the defensive side there seems to be a lot of depth. i can't remember the last time the bengals could say that.

Eh, we have said it a couple times the last few years, but the problem is people end up getting hurt or they don't live up to their potential. Even some of the guys we think are good and shouldn't get cut, end up out on the street because no other team think they are even worthy of a job. It's all relative, and whether we want to admit it or not, we do look at our own players through rose colored glasses sometimes.

Case in point, Landon Johnson. In Cincy he lead the team in tackles 3 years in a row, and seemed to always be playing through pain. He leaves town for Carolina and can't sniff the field but maybe a couple plays a game on special teams. Many here thought it was a horrible move to let him walk, but was he really that good?

Then you on occasion get the opposite. Kevin Walter was nothing more than a special teams player in Cincy that was the 6th WR on the roster. Now he is in Texas playing the #2 WR spot and doing pretty well at it. He would have been a bargain to keep at the time as a #3-#4 WR but Cincy didn't think he was that good. Boy were they wrong!

Just for poops and popsickles, how many people wouldn't mind having Keiwan Ratliff right now as the nickleback? Cincy thought he was done yet he has played for 2 of the top teams in the league (Patriots and Colts) and just signed with another top team in Pittsburgh. Funny how he is good enough for them, but not good enough for the Bengals.

Very good post and I happen to agree. I think Keiwan was given a bum rap during his time here, but at the same time I don't see him as a pure cover CB in our scheme. At this point, he'd be a massive upgrade over Trent and Castille. I put the fact that he is no longer a Bengal on the team not doing their due dilligence on the player, as a 2nd round pick.

Johnson and Caleb Miller were wasted picks, as Miller is no longer in the NFL and Johnson is on his way out. Landon was a good team player who played through injuries, but wasn't a good fit in our division at around 225-230 pounds.

Happily, I think the thing that we're doing now is actually projecting which players that are available in the draft that project as players who can succeed in playing half of their games in the rough-and-tumble AFC North, instead of picking the players with the best college resumes or best measurables.

[HAPPYJAQ]

1. Palmer

2. JT

3. Jordan

4. Ced

5. Leonard

6. Scott

7. *Jeremi

8. *Fui

*one FB will be cut once White comes back from PUP

9. Kelly

10. Utecht

11. Coffman

13. Henry

14. Coles

15. Caldwell

16. Simpson

17. Cosby, Chatman or waiver-wire RS

18. Purify

19. Whitworth

20. Andre Smith

21. Collins

22. Bobbie

23. Cook

24. Luigs

25. Kooistra

26. Livings

27. Crummey (guard versatility gets him the nod over Santucci)

28. Geathers

29. Peko

30. Sims

31. Odom

32. Tank

33. Rucker

34. Shirley

35. Blackstock (LB)/Fanene (DT)

36. Rivers

37. Dhani

38. Jeanty

39. Brandon Johnson

40. Rey

41. Michael Johnson (DE)

42. Hall

43. J-Jo

44. Roy

45. Crocker

46. Nduke

47. David Jones

48. Hebert

49. Lynch (S/CB)

50. Trent

51. Graham

52. Huber

53. St. Louis (although this is the one year he might get beat out).

What do you guys think?

EDIT: Just realized I missed #12, so one of those bubble guys gets in (Santucci, Chatman, etc,), or else another RB like James Johnson or DeDe. We always seem to grab a player or two from after the final cutdowns, so I'll guess we'll see. I like the way it looks, though.