Clackwoods Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/11/...ree-for-peters/We could trade Chad for a first and then trade it to them along with Levi Jones for one of the best Olinemen in the game. If we can't trade Chad I would be open to sending our 2010 pick to them with Levi.What do you think? This would allow us to take either Orakpo, Raji, Rey Rey(Through a trade down), or even Crabtree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/11/...ree-for-peters/We could trade Chad for a first and then trade it to them along with Levi Jones for one of the best Olinemen in the game. If we can't trade Chad I would be open to sending our 2010 pick to them with Levi.What do you think? This would allow us to take either Orakpo, Raji, Rey Rey(Through a trade down), or even Crabtree!pass, this would end up being a future problem for the bengals. no way is mikey going to pay any linemen 10 mill per season. all the crap he is giving his team now, would just follow him here. then next season the topic title would be, what can we get for him in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Brooks21 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/11/...ree-for-peters/We could trade Chad for a first and then trade it to them along with Levi Jones for one of the best Olinemen in the game. If we can't trade Chad I would be open to sending our 2010 pick to them with Levi.What do you think? This would allow us to take either Orakpo, Raji, Rey Rey(Through a trade down), or even Crabtree!We are not getting a first round pick for Chad , people continue to live in a fantasy world if you honestly think that we are getting a first round pick for Chad. The best case scenario in my opinion is getting the Raiders second round pick that would be a dream scenario for me, that way we could look at maybe drafting Donald Brown from U Conn if he's still sitting there. I'm hoping that we don't draft a wr in any round this year, with or without Chad Johnson I feel pretty good about that position. I'm scared of drafting anybody on the defensive line early in the draft it seems like you are really playing craps with that position, most of them are not NFL ready for at least a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted April 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/11/...ree-for-peters/We could trade Chad for a first and then trade it to them along with Levi Jones for one of the best Olinemen in the game. If we can't trade Chad I would be open to sending our 2010 pick to them with Levi.What do you think? This would allow us to take either Orakpo, Raji, Rey Rey(Through a trade down), or even Crabtree!We are not getting a first round pick for Chad , people continue to live in a fantasy world if you honestly think that we are getting a first round pick for Chad. The best case scenario in my opinion is getting the Raiders second round pick that would be a dream scenario for me, that way we could look at maybe drafting Donald Brown from U Conn if he's still sitting there. I'm hoping that we don't draft a wr in any round this year, with or without Chad Johnson I feel pretty good about that position. I'm scared of drafting anybody on the defensive line early in the draft it seems like you are really playing craps with that position, most of them are not NFL ready for at least a couple of years.Yea i could see how a guy could drop from getting us two first rounders to getting us a second rounder because he played with a garbage ass QB and was hurt all season.......NOTYour the one living in a fantasy world. Sorry man, but at the VERY LEAST we get a late first. They were saying on ESPN that he is worth a 1st and a third rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Sorry man, but at the VERY LEAST we get a late first. They were saying on ESPN that he is worth a 1st and a third rounder.Even Marvin Lewis said that Chad doesn't put the time into football that he used to, and that is why his production has fallen off.The hardworking Chad of old would be worth a 1st and a 3rd. Probably more. But Chad didn't have any trouble putting up big numbers with Kitna as QB so I don't buy the Fitzpatrick excuse for poor performance.Chad doesn't care anymore, and doesn't want to be here. That means the Bengals have no bargaining chips on top of everything else.No way in hell we could get anything for Chad beyond a 2nd rounder, and I really wonder if we could even get that. Hey, its cool to be a fan, but if we are being realistic I would say take the Chad blinders off.EDIT: Almost forgot the other thing. The Bengals wanted Chad to have surgery this offseason. Chad refused. I mean honestly...don't you already know what will happen here? Chad will half ass it down the depth chart, at the expense of the Cincinnati Bengals success of course. Then he will get hurt, probably early on. Then he will shut it down. Probably won't even be on the sidelines. Seriously...even a 2nd rounder is a reach, but Mike Brown probably feels he is worth a 1st and a 3rd or more. Which is why the above scenario is crystal clear. Honestly...what are you expecting from Chad this year? He has already skipped the voluntaries that aren't really supposed to be voluntary. Pro Bowl? Playoffs? C'mon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzo Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 you people are ridiculous. Chad's worth a 1st, no sweat. yes he sucked last year, but he's a burner type, he needs a QB who can throw farther than five yards. this season will be his last chance to shine, in anticipation of a big FA deal next offseason, and he knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Chad still comands respect when he is on the field. Only a select group of recievers can really say that. Yes he is worth a 1st round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Depends on the team and pick, IMO. A rebuilding team absolutely will not offer a 1st round pick for a 31-year old Chad Johnson/Ocho Cinco. Even if you don't consider all the possible off the field stuff with Chad, you have to remember that he's on the wrong side of 30 and is entering his 9th year in the NFL. There is not a long track record of NFL WRs that had the same production after 30 as they did when they were in their early-to-mid 20s and that's part of the reason you see guys like Tory Holt and Marvin Harrison, two first ballot Hall of Famers, still unsigned. He'll also definitely want an extension, so you're asking a team to part with a high pick (or two) and pay him Top 10 WR money, which he'll certainly ask for. I've mentioned this before, but a low 1st round draft pick is at least as valuable (if not MORE valuable) than a Top 10 pick, especially for playoff-caliber teams in a very deep if not top-heavy draft. I think a 2nd and maybe a 4th is about right for Chad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhunkE1 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I'm sick of hearing how Chad suffered because of Fitz being at the helm. True, Chad excells on deeper routes, but the problem was more with the O-Line than QB play. Did you guys actually see the games that Palmer did play? Chad didn't do anything in those games either, because Palmer didn't have the time to get the ball to him downfield. True, Chad produced with even Kitna at the helm, but the difference is we had a top 10 O-Line at that time. I still feel like we could get a late first for Chad. People are underestimating teams that are 1 or 2 players off of being serious Super Bowl contenders. I think if the Eagles or Giants don't like any of the rookie WR's that are there with their late round picks they would jump at the chance to acquire Chad. 31 is old for a RB, but not for a WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Sorry man, but at the VERY LEAST we get a late first. They were saying on ESPN that he is worth a 1st and a third rounder.Even Marvin Lewis said that Chad doesn't put the time into football that he used to, and that is why his production has fallen off.The hardworking Chad of old would be worth a 1st and a 3rd. Probably more. But Chad didn't have any trouble putting up big numbers with Kitna as QB so I don't buy the Fitzpatrick excuse for poor performance.Chad doesn't care anymore, and doesn't want to be here. That means the Bengals have no bargaining chips on top of everything else.No way in hell we could get anything for Chad beyond a 2nd rounder, and I really wonder if we could even get that. Hey, its cool to be a fan, but if we are being realistic I would say take the Chad blinders off.EDIT: Almost forgot the other thing. The Bengals wanted Chad to have surgery this offseason. Chad refused. I mean honestly...don't you already know what will happen here? Chad will half ass it down the depth chart, at the expense of the Cincinnati Bengals success of course. Then he will get hurt, probably early on. Then he will shut it down. Probably won't even be on the sidelines. Seriously...even a 2nd rounder is a reach, but Mike Brown probably feels he is worth a 1st and a 3rd or more. Which is why the above scenario is crystal clear. Honestly...what are you expecting from Chad this year? He has already skipped the voluntaries that aren't really supposed to be voluntary. Pro Bowl? Playoffs? C'mon...Do you realize that you just compared Fitzgerald to a guy that has thrown for almost 30 thousand yards? Kitna has thrown for more than 4000 yards on multiple occasions and he can actually get the ball down field. I don't have Chad Blinders on, I just am realistic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Look the only way Chad is worth a first round pick is if your a team scared to death that your rival is going to get him and push you out of playoff contention. If you are the Giants and Eagles you have to be very frightened that the other one is going to get him which is exactly why you are hearing these rumors which are no doubt started by the Bengals or Marvin Lewis if you want to be specific. The Raiders are being used to increwase the anti and the Giants and Eagles are being played off each other for leverage I would even through the Redskins in because Dan Snyder is like a drug addict when it comes to free agents.Football is not like business where you can be successful in Mergers and Aquisitions, the NBA is like that and to a lesser extent the MLB, Football is like War and Armies need something to fight for and the best thing they can fight for is each other. That is why an all subscription Army hasn't worked since Cannae. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoFever Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 And it took three posts to turn a topic about a Pro-Bowl caliber offensive tackle in Buffalo into a discussion on the trade value for Chad Johnson. Every topic eventually turns there, but this one was especially early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 And it took three posts to turn a topic about a Pro-Bowl caliber offensive tackle in Buffalo into a discussion on the trade value for Chad Johnson. Every topic eventually turns there, but this one was especially early.In fairness... Chad's trade value is mentioned in the original post, and that is pretty much the entire basis of this thread.If there is a complaint, it should be that this was a new thread to begin with, as it could have easily just been a trade idea of the many already discussed in the Chad Trade Options thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Here's a thought that doesn't include Chad...Jason Peters was a Pro Bowl LT for a below-average football team last season and is only 27 years old. Why not trade your 1st and 3rd picks to pick up a sure thing, as opposed to gambling that a guy like Andre Smith will eventually be as good? We have an extra 3rd available, so it makes sense to me. Maybe even throw in your 4th to sweeten the deal and ask for Roscoe Parrish in return. Roscoe is a dynamic return guy who could replace Chatman and be a player that will win 1 or 2 games next season on his return ability alone and consistently create shorter fields for the offense, which is almost like forcing a turnover. We haven't had a consistent guy like that returning kicks since Tremain Mack. Trades for young Pro Bowl-type players make sense, similar to the Bears and Cutler or Minnesota and Jared Allen last season. Sure, you give up a King's Ransom, but with the Bengals recent luck in finding Pro Bowl caliber players through the draft, I think it would be worthwhile. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted April 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Here's a thought that doesn't include Chad...Jason Peters was a Pro Bowl LT for a below-average football team last season and is only 27 years old. Why not trade your 1st and 3rd picks to pick up a sure thing, as opposed to gambling that a guy like Andre Smith will eventually be as good? We have an extra 3rd available, so it makes sense to me. Maybe even throw in your 4th to sweeten the deal and ask for Roscoe Parrish in return. Roscoe is a dynamic return guy who could replace Chatman and be a player that will win 1 or 2 games next season on his return ability alone and consistently create shorter fields for the offense, which is almost like forcing a turnover. We haven't had a consistent guy like that returning kicks since Tremain Mack. Trades for young Pro Bowl-type players make sense, similar to the Bears and Cutler or Minnesota and Jared Allen last season. Sure, you give up a King's Ransom, but with the Bengals recent luck in finding Pro Bowl caliber players through the draft, I think it would be worthwhile. Any thoughts?I really really like that IDEA!!! We could get our center in the second round and then a defensive player in round 3 to round out the draft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 We need more malcontents.Really.Nothing like a roster of 53 mewling babies for whom multiple millions of dollars is simply not good enough.Go get'em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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