Roy Williams To Visit

[kurgan74]

I saw this tidbit on the official site. What do you think?

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7565

[Kazkal]

Really not sure what to take from this....

Who does this spell doom for because I was quite happy with out safetys & depth...

Starters Ndukwe is more SS and isn't roy the same so um ya I really just don't know.

[Kazkal]

I thought Depth chart would be

SS:Ndukwe,Hubert

FS:White or Crocker,Lynch

[kurgan74]

My guess would be Hebert could be in trouble if Roy Williams signs. Of course there has been

talk of Roy moving to LB.

[BlainThePain]

My guess would be Hebert could be in trouble if Roy Williams signs. Of course there has been

talk of Roy moving to LB.

I just don't see him being a LB for us since we have Rivers and Brandon Johnson playing weak side. The only way I see him playing LB is if we draft somebody like Connor Barwin to play OLB and Roy Williams would be subbed in for him on coverage downs.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

The only thing that makes even the slightest sense is the connection with Zimmer from his days in Dallas. Other than that, I don't know why you'd want probably the most overrated defensive player of the last 5 years. Unless he comes cheap, and I doubt he will, forget it.

[Spor_tees]

Roy Williams would make a great MLB in a nickel or dime defense...but how much would you pay a guy to play so few times a game?

[HAPPYJAQ]

I believe in schemes more than players, so if the Bengals think he could compete at SS, I'd be OK with that. He was a very good player earlier in his career and showed a penchant for making big plays with the Cowboys. The more playmakers the better, really. I don't think he'd come here cheap, though. Nduke has been injured here some and we definitely need another player at the SS position. Roy Williams migh be fun to watch as a Bengal. We haven't had that type of presence in the secondary in a while and Crocker and White (especially coming off reconstructive knee surgery) are still questions, in my mind. As I said before, Crocker could be the next Rogers Beckett and the best way to keep guys hungry in the NFL is to provide competition for their positions.

[UF_Gators_15]

I would love it! Last time I checked none of u signed these guys checks or pay any of these players salaries, so I don't get this whole he's too much money! Shut up, Roy Williams may have been overrated but he was still a great Strong Safety, solid tackling playmaker! Yeah he struggles in coverage one on one but in our division u need to stop the run first and foremost, does Troy Polamolu(however u spell his gay name) ever cover any of our recievers? No. Does Ed Reed? The answer is no, he plays centerfield a lot! I say bring him in and start at SS for 1st and 2nd down.

[BTG]

I would love it! Last time I checked none of u signed these guys checks or pay any of these players salaries, so I don't get this whole he's too much money!

How do you think the owners get the money to pay the players? It comes from the fans through tickets and merchandising (and a little through revenue sharing with the league). You bring Roy in for a hefty contract and that's frozen money that you could have used to shore up problem areas. Why spend more money on a position we have filled already?

Shut up, Roy Williams may have been overrated but he was still a great Strong Safety, solid tackling playmaker!

Um, ok.

According to Football Outsiders writer Bill Barnwell: "Williams, whose utter inability to cover anything was the problem the Cowboys defense had to hide all season. The Cowboys' weakness in pass defense was their number 28 ranking against tight ends, a direct reflection of Williams, who was often isolated against those tight ends with much flailing ensuing. At this point, Williams is not only not a Pro Bowler, he's a net negative to the Cowboys defense."

Marvin and Co. have said again and again they like their safeties to be able to play either spot. Clearly Roy can't do this, which means he wouldn't fit in their scheme.

I say bring him in and start at SS for 1st and 2nd down.

If he can be brought in for a discount price, sure. If he wants several mil, let the Redskins sign him.

[whizzo]

wiliams would be a very situational player - SS on running downs, maybe undersized MLB on long 3rd downs. but that's about it already. if we can sign him for a pittance, take him. if he wants a couple mil, forget it.

[Spor_tees]

wiliams would be a very situational player - SS on running downs, maybe undersized MLB on long 3rd downs. but that's about it already. if we can sign him for a pittance, take him. if he wants a couple mil, forget it.

SS on first and second down running situations, and a MLB in a Nickel and dime packages is quite a few plays per game...there are a lot of high priced guys out there that don't even play that many downs per game.

[agreen_112]

He's Zimmer's boy, so I think there will be a good chance we sign him. I think it would be great for Nduke and White, who else would be a better veteran mentor for the young bucks? These dudes can learn a lot from a vet like Williams (afterall, they're all hard hitters)... I'm sure Zimmer can fit him into his scheme somewhere and I'm confident that he'll make some big plays too.

[Pidge]

Signing him would be a big mistake. As a player in his own right and as it will mean a younger guy, with far more upside, will most likely have to make way for him. Basically a net loss of two players in one stroke.

And please, if you disagree and think he has something to offer then that's fine, just bother responding to my post as I don't want to hear a bunch of crap about how he was really hawt against the run and had like 4 major hits one year three yrs ago.

He's a strong safety that can't f**king tackle for crying out loud. Banning that horse-collar bulls**t made him worthless and his name and MLB have been mentioned in the same sentence. Yeah, please please let's throw money at a NFL safety who can't tackle and then convert him to play as an undersized MLB - the one position that absolutely must be able to tackle and also a position he hasn't played in the NFL, which to some might be a, ya know, hint - in certain situations.

Jesus Mary and Joseph!

[TJJackson]

If we want a SS who can't cover or tackle, can't we just re-sign Ohalete? He'd be a lot cheaper

[ShulaSteakhouse]

They could use the depth for Duke Nukem, who has shown he's not as durable as you'd like. Williams is also better in coverage than Duke, although not great, his experience alone gives him a leg up.

Marvin likes his veteran safeties, and really has none right now. Williams was still a beast for several years under Zimmer.

I tend to think the Bengals' have a bigger need at nickel CB, but am guessing they may go for one of those on day one of the draft.

[CJBestInAFC]

I think you put about 5-10 pounds on Williams and move him to wlb. Then move Rivers to SLb and go from there allowing Brandon Johnson to be the 4th lb in the rotation. I do believe Rivers can play every lb spot in the Bengals defense so I am not too worried about moving him from the weak side to strong. I know that Dallas was trying to use Williams at lb right before they switched to a 3-4. I just think that if Williams weakness is pass coverage then moving him to lb will not expose this weakness as much. I still think he is a good tackler and wouldn't take too long to make the switch to lb. I just don't see the any problems with picking up a 5 time probowler. The positives out weigh the negatives.

[derekshank]

I think you put about 5-10 pounds on Williams and move him to wlb. Then move Rivers to SLb and go from there allowing Brandon Johnson to be the 4th lb in the rotation.

Yeah! And while we're at it, lets ask Peko to drop a few pounds and play MLB. Because everyone knows the way you build a solid LB corps is by asking several guys to change from their natural positions.

Rivers is the WSLB for this team for years to come. He's not a SSLB. Jeanty is solid there.

[CJBestInAFC]

I think you put about 5-10 pounds on Williams and move him to wlb. Then move Rivers to SLb and go from there allowing Brandon Johnson to be the 4th lb in the rotation.

Yeah! And while we're at it, lets ask Peko to drop a few pounds and play MLB. Because everyone knows the way you build a solid LB corps is by asking several guys to change from their natural positions.

Rivers is the WSLB for this team for years to come. He's not a SSLB. Jeanty is solid there.

To me Jeanty is not a starter, and really isn't that solid. He is a decent player but really isn't that great, and if my memory is correct didn't we convert Jeanty from DE to Slb? With Rivers going to slb I dont thing there will be too many growing pains like there was with moving Jeanty to lb, but according to you we should have kept Jeanty at DE because that was his natural positon, but you like his play at Lb. Hmm doesn't make sense in your argument in keeping players in their natural positions does it? Now moving Roy Williams to lb will minimize his loss of speed and coverage abilities, and will probably extend his career longer than keeping him at S. To me I think you hamstring yourself more if you sign Williams and keep him at S.

[Bearcat1975]

OK here it is:

Sign Williams, move him to MLB.

Move Dhani back to OLB.

Move Peko to ILB and draft a DT to replace him.

Line up Chad Johnson as SS and let White and Ndukwe compete for the #2 WR position.

Then once Hall and Joesph can make the move to DE we will be set for the playoffs.

...some of you play too much Madden I think.

[Esiason#7]

OK here it is:

Sign Williams, move him to MLB.

Move Dhani back to OLB.

Move Peko to ILB and draft a DT to replace him.

Line up Chad Johnson as SS and let White and Ndukwe compete for the #2 WR position.

Then once Hall and Joesph can make the move to DE we will be set for the playoffs.

...some of you play too much Madden I think.

Don't forget that we need to move Marvin Lewis from the sideline to center so we don't have to waste a draft pick on a center in the second round.

[Pidge]

Still, the Bengals are obviously interested to some degree. Damn it all to the bowels of bloody hell. Very depressing to see really. We had a decentish defense last yr. By no means a finished article and a few pieces away from being a really solid unit but RW? Are you serial? What is the point at even looking at a player like that? It's not like he's just coming off an injury and it's a bit of a gamble. The guy has been nothing but a liability for a couple of seasons now and I like Zimmer but he must have an ego the size of Australasia if he thinks he can mould him into the RW of old, especially on a young defense still trying to find it feet. What could RW teach the younger guys anyway, how to attempt to cripple players due to lacking the most fundamental skill a football player, never mind a SS, should have? Veteran leadership would be nice but just coz the guy is a veteran doesn't make him a leader. In fact, this veteran has to rebuild his reputation and start from scratch again. What an inspiring leader he'd be to these young, rich players.

He'd be overpriced even if he played for free due to the stench of failure he'd bring to the squad.

[Pidge]

Williams is also better in coverage than Duke

My flabber is gasted.

[derekshank]

To me Jeanty is not a starter, and really isn't that solid. He is a decent player but really isn't that great, and if my memory is correct didn't we convert Jeanty from DE to Slb? With Rivers going to slb I dont thing there will be too many growing pains like there was with moving Jeanty to lb, but according to you we should have kept Jeanty at DE because that was his natural positon, but you like his play at Lb. Hmm doesn't make sense in your argument in keeping players in their natural positions does it?

Please. Jeanty is 245 lbs. He was a DE in Canada, but he is no NFL DE. Sure, if the Bengals drafted Curry, Jeanty would be a back-up. But he is a starting quality SSLB because he is stout in run stopping. There is no way he rides the bench because the Bengals sign a veteran Safety. It makes no sense.

Now moving Roy Williams to lb will minimize his loss of speed and coverage abilities, and will probably extend his career longer than keeping him at S.

Rivers is a prototypical WSLB. Why would you move him simply because of bringing in a Safety to convert? Now you have no LB's playing their natural position. It doesn't make any sense. Roy Williams has not played any LB, and his weakness is coverage, which is a must from the WSLB position. He struggles to cover TE's, which is important for a LB. Rivers is the guy. Why move him?

To me I think you hamstring yourself more if you sign Williams and keep him at S.

Fine. Don't sign him then. Why are you treating this as if the Bengals must sign him? If the Bengals decide to sign him, it's because they think he can contribute at his natural position. If he can't contribute, then they won't sign him. It's pretty much that simple.

Jeanty is a much better SSLB than Williams would be as a WSLB. And Rivers is a far better WSLB than he would be as a SSLB. Bringing in an 8 year veteran and asking him to learn a new position when he's near 30 smacks of desperation. The kind that would likely force the defense to take a step backwards. So... bad idea. Sorry.

[whizzo]

dude, ocho really is a 99 FS in madden if i remember correctly. same goes for hines ward btw.