Anyone else tired of the offseason fights? Bye TJ

[cincy9275]

this reminds me of the end of scott and pickens, we seemed to be no worse for ware after they left. same will go with chad and tj. when it over it's over, time to move on. besides, i would rather have two less talented players who want to be here. chad and tj have talent, but if they don't want to be here. your not going to get 100% out of them. you'll get all the bs that comes with it, no ota's, demanding trades, bashing the team every chance they get. these are things you just can't have.

[HAPPYJAQ]

this reminds me of the end of scott and pickens, we seemed to be no worse for ware after they left. same will go with chad and tj. when it over it's over, time to move on. besides, i would rather have two less talented players who want to be here. chad and tj have talent, but if they don't want to be here. your not going to get 100% out of them. you'll get all the bs that comes with it, no ota's, demanding trades, bashing the team every chance they get. these are things you just can't have.

Exactly.

[membengal]

I'm ready for them to move on.

[Clackwoods]

400 from Simpson and 780 from Caldwell. I wonder if Chris Henry will make it?

The Bengals prepared to cut TJ loose last year by drafting Simpson and Caldwell. We all know that.

I don't count on Simpson since he gave us nothing last season. Caldwell I do. He could give us some of those TJ possession catches out where the linebacker and SS lurk. With Caldwell, once he catches it, he'll give us something TJ couldn't...break away speed.

Can't count on Chris Henry, yet.

Can't count on Chad.

Should anyone be surprise if the Bengals draft a WR high in the draft?

I don't think we need an OT in round 1, but I do want an impact defensive player. But I wouldn't be upset at all if we were to take CrabTree. I don't want Maclin though, I just have a bad feeling about him.

We need to trade Chad and draft KNOWSHOWN!

[HAPPYJAQ]

One of the more interesting questions this offseason is what do the Bengals do with Stacy Andrews. They have spent years developing him and it seemed like he hit his stride the last quarter of the season, his first playing the whole year at RT. Then the torn ACL and MCL happened at the end of the season that is almost certainly going to cost him MILLIONS in free agency and the first 6 games next year if he's PUP'd. Ironically, he went from being a player that couldn't wait to sign with the NY Jets or Philly (turning down 13-18 million dollars guaranteed from the Bengals), to a player than is optimistic he'll be resigned and allowed the team to perform his recontructive knee surgery, all while committing to rehab in Cincy (even though he's unsigned for '09).

If you watched the running game closely last year, the Bengals ran to the right side much more than the left, behind Williams and Stacy. They need to have a player that can seal the edge on the right side. The biggest question is, d they move Whit there permanently, move Collins there or have one of the two (or maybe a guy like Kooistra) play there until Andrews is able to play again.

All of this is still contingent on the Bengals resigning him and what kind of contract do you offer a 350-pound lineman coming off a devestating knee injury (far more severe than Levi's torn meniscus/partially torn MCL, which he continues to struggle with)? History and the "safe money" say the Bengals go with a stopgap plan of action at RT next season and OT being a focus in '10....possibly the first pick of the Bengals' next head coach.

[GregCook]

One of the more interesting questions this offseason is what do the Bengals do with Stacy Andrews. They have spent years developing him and it seemed like he hit his stride the last quarter of the season, his first playing the whole year at RT. Then the torn ACL and MCL happened at the end of the season that is almost certainly going to cost him MILLIONS in free agency and the first 6 games next year if he's PUP'd. Ironically, he went from being a player that couldn't wait to sign with the NY Jets or Philly (turning down 13-18 million dollars guaranteed from the Bengals), to a player than is optimistic he'll be resigned and allowed the team to perform his recontructive knee surgery, all while committing to rehab in Cincy (even though he's unsigned for '09).

If you watched the running game closely last year, the Bengals ran to the right side much more than the left, behind Williams and Stacy. They need to have a player that can seal the edge on the right side. The biggest question is, d they move Whit there permanently, move Collins there or have one of the two (or maybe a guy like Kooistra) play there until Andrews is able to play again.

All of this is still contingent on the Bengals resigning him and what kind of contract do you offer a 350-pound lineman coming off a devestating knee injury (far more severe than Levi's torn meniscus/partially torn MCL, which he continues to struggle with)? History and the "safe money" say the Bengals go with a stopgap plan of action at RT next season and OT being a focus in '10....possibly the first pick of the Bengals' next head coach.

I don't see how the Bengals can count on him for 2009. Not at all. He'll be pup'ed for sure assuming he is signed and recovering super well. Then getting into game shape will take at least a month if all goes well. More likely he is IR'ed or waived.

The Bengal Oline is really full of holes don't you think? Its not like they couldn't use 2 or 3 extra starters. History shows, if you don't have a good RT and LT a team can't run the ball. Last season we couldn't run the ball against the good squads. Didn't we finish the season with practice squad guys starting on the Oline?

[ArmyBengal]

In the world of heartburn I currently find myself in, I was able to find the latest from the favorite columnist of many here...

I didn't want to start a whole new thread when it would surely go in the same direction this one has. Enjoy...

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090215/COL03/902150409

Take a pass on T.J., Chad

Bengals' best move is to part with star WRs T.J., Ocho Cinco

The Bengals should allow the circus to leave town. It wouldn't be easy to deal two wideouts for a few quality draft picks, even for two wideouts as accomplished as Chad Ocho Cinco and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. But if the club wants to get serious about changing its look and its mood, it needs to break ties with Butch and Sundance.

Sure, Doc. Are you crazy? Whom should Carson Palmer throw to next season, the side judge? Isaac Curtis is retired. So is the Woody Hayes offense.

The Bengals' offensive line is as complete as The Banks. Stacy Andrews is rehabilitating a blown knee, Levi Jones is never right. If Eric Ghiaciuc is the answer at center, what's the question?

Anthony Collins showed some of the right stuff. Nate Livings can play. Andrew Whitworth is solid. Bobbie Williams is a boulder. Draft a tackle in Round 1, a center in Round 2, keep Butch and Sundance and stop being so negative.

They're still down a tackle. They're still thin at running back, even if Cedric Benson returns. They don't rush the passer. The road to titles in the AFC North is paved with large men who can move.

I'd rather think of you, Doc, upside down and strapped to a blocking sled. The offense without Chad and T.J.?

You don't win with great wide receivers; you win by protecting the passer and rushing the passer. The Bengals were awful at both last year. If Butch and Sundance return for yet another sequel and the line doesn't improve vastly, Palmer isn't going to have time to make them (even more) famous. Palmer's not exactly moon-walking back there.

The likelihood isn't great of the Bengals trading for draft picks two aging stars who don't want to be here, but it's worth a try.

Ocho Cinco's agent, the annoying Drew Rosenhaus, is still trying to get his client gone. Rosenhaus wants to keep business behind closed doors this offseason. I guess that's why he went on the radio in Miami last week.

Houshmandzadeh has made it plain he doesn't want the Bengals' franchise tag and won't attend voluntary workouts if he gets it.

The $9.88 million tag fee for a one-year deal sounds like a lot of money, even in the Neverland of pro sports. It's not, if Houshmandzadeh gets hurt enough this year that he can't play anymore. He was there to witness franchise player Andrews blow out his knee at the end of last year. Financially, it was a potentially devastating injury. T.J. wants no part of that.

Ocho Cinco has two years left on his contract. Ownership might finally understand that No. 85's talent isn't worth the trouble, at least not here. The chance of him changing who he is might be as likely as the club getting two first-round picks for him. How would a No. 2 and, say, a No. 5 sound?

Houshmandzadeh probably wants at least a three-year deal, with a lot of bonus money. If he got what he thought was fair here, T.J. would be a huge asset to the Bengals. Most likely, he won't. The Bengals don't want to pay for that many years. They could tag him to buy negotiating time. They did that with Andrews; how did that work out?

They could tag T.J. and trade him, the smart move. They could tag him and see if the economy drags down his asking price. Or they could simply let him walk. Which is the best option?

Do you really want two of your most high-profile locker room presences unhappy with their stations in life? Do you really believe you can keep both or even one and still overhaul the O-line? The early rounds of the draft this year are crammed with quality linemen, according to the "experts." Wouldn't stockpiling choices and using them to start over on offense be a smart play?

How have Butch and Sundance helped the team win lately?

The defense is good enough to keep the Bengals in most games. The offense has gone from dynamic to dysfunctional to disastrous. Tinkering isn't what's needed. Time for Butch and Sundance to get their parting gifts and what they really want, which is outta here. It'd be best for all concerned.

[Kazkal]

Hmmm well I would hate to lose TJ and Chad at the same time I think it's time to focus on running the ball...you wanna protect carson? make it so he doesn't have to air out the ball 30-40 times just for us to win...You want to win championships Continue building on the defense rather saying "it's good enough"....

So Tagging TJ and trading him and then Trading Chad would be o so very sweet...

[agreen_112]

Don't let him walk scotch free... Tag him, then trade him. If there isn't a team willing to give us a good deal, handle him exactly how they handled Chad. If TJ milks it this season, he'll hurt the team, but mostly he will hurt himself.

We have that right no matter how big of a cancer MB truly is. We MADE TJ, he wouldn't be s**t without the Bengals and Carson Palmer.

With a QB like Palmer, Simpson can work this off-season and become our #2. Palmer will make any reciever above average but only if he gets protection.

[ArmyBengal]

I think the tag and trade thing is a bit on the risky side of things and you have to have a willing participant. What if they can't find someone willing to give them what they believe TJ is worth ?? I'll tell you, you get stuck with a disgruntled WR at the tune of 10 million. With the comp pick that is surely to come for having him leave, why bother with all the drama ??

I actually agree with just moving on from both of these guys, building the o-line, developing a running game that helps Carson, and continue with the upgrades on the defensive side of the ball that are needed against the AFCN teams we face 6 out of our 16 games a year. I just feel that enough is enough and have gotten to the point that if this season starts without Chad and TJ, I will actually be ok with it. Maybe you would just have a bunch of hungry guys that know they have just been given the opportunity of a lifetime.

[membengal]

Don't let him walk scotch free... Tag him, then trade him. If there isn't a team willing to give us a good deal, handle him exactly how they handled Chad. If TJ milks it this season, he'll hurt the team, but mostly he will hurt himself.

We have that right no matter how big of a cancer MB truly is. We MADE TJ, he wouldn't be s**t without the Bengals and Carson Palmer.

With a QB like Palmer, Simpson can work this off-season and become our #2. Palmer will make any reciever above average but only if he gets protection.

Is it okay if they let him walk whiskey free?

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Is it okay if they let him walk whiskey free?

Scotch is whiskey. Damn, this is a football board, I expect people to know their booze!

[Tee]

Yeah I'm ready to move on.

TJ was nothing but a LIAR and a cancer.

TJ which is it?????

5-6-08

T.J. MULLING: Getting the urge to put on a helmet and get in a huddle, T.J. Houshmandzadeh says he's thinking about coming to the Bengals' first voluntary camp next week.

Houshmandzadeh is weighing the pros and cons and on Tuesday he characterized it as "a dilemma" between his individual workouts at home in the Los Angeles area and the team's on-field activities at Paul Brown Stadium.

"I know I get a lot of benefit with the work I do on my own out here," said Houshmandzadeh, who works out once every day and twice on Tuesdays and Thursdays. "And my kids are here. They're used to having me around.

"But it's obvious you can't simulate everything like you can on the field with the team. You've got the helmet on, you're going against coverages. If you're a competitor, that gets the juices going."

Houshmandzadeh came to a couple of voluntary sessions last year when he decided to try the home school route and he says he'll try to get here again for some of the weeks. He ended up co-leading the NFL in catches with a Bengals-record 112 catches.

He says if he comes in Tuesday that doesn't mean he's motivated by his contract year or by the Bengals drafting wide receivers in back-to-back rounds for the first time in 27 years.

"Really, the money has nothing to do with it," Houshmandzadeh said. "It's not to the point where there's been an offer and there's been a counter or anything like that. Hey, it's either going to happen or it's not and I'm not going to gripe or say anything bad if it doesn't. I'm coming in there to win."

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6783

2-16-09

"I didn't go to the last two (seasons of) voluntary workouts because I felt like I was underpaid compared to what my peers were getting," said Houshmandzadeh, who signed a four-year deal for roughly $3 million per year before the 2005 season.

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7503

[Baraka]

Yeah I'm ready to move on.

TJ was nothing but a LIAR and a cancer.

TJ which is it?????

5-6-08

T.J. MULLING: Getting the urge to put on a helmet and get in a huddle, T.J. Houshmandzadeh says he's thinking about coming to the Bengals' first voluntary camp next week.

Houshmandzadeh is weighing the pros and cons and on Tuesday he characterized it as "a dilemma" between his individual workouts at home in the Los Angeles area and the team's on-field activities at Paul Brown Stadium.

"I know I get a lot of benefit with the work I do on my own out here," said Houshmandzadeh, who works out once every day and twice on Tuesdays and Thursdays. "And my kids are here. They're used to having me around.

"But it's obvious you can't simulate everything like you can on the field with the team. You've got the helmet on, you're going against coverages. If you're a competitor, that gets the juices going."

Houshmandzadeh came to a couple of voluntary sessions last year when he decided to try the home school route and he says he'll try to get here again for some of the weeks. He ended up co-leading the NFL in catches with a Bengals-record 112 catches.

He says if he comes in Tuesday that doesn't mean he's motivated by his contract year or by the Bengals drafting wide receivers in back-to-back rounds for the first time in 27 years.

"Really, the money has nothing to do with it," Houshmandzadeh said. "It's not to the point where there's been an offer and there's been a counter or anything like that. Hey, it's either going to happen or it's not and I'm not going to gripe or say anything bad if it doesn't. I'm coming in there to win."

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6783

2-16-09

"I didn't go to the last two (seasons of) voluntary workouts because I felt like I was underpaid compared to what my peers were getting," said Houshmandzadeh, who signed a four-year deal for roughly $3 million per year before the 2005 season.

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7503

that certainly makes him look bad, it's too bad that it always goes this way when bengals leave the team.

[ArmyBengal]

I pointed that out in the other thread as well. All along he was nothing but a whiny little b*tch about his paycheck. I'm glad he handled it the way he did back then, but there is no reason to handle it this way now except to be an assh@le. TJ can kiss my ass...

[HAPPYJAQ]

Remember in 2002-03 when T.J. would proclaim himself the "best receiver on the team" to the media, even though he was 4th or 5th on the depth chart?

We now have a younger, faster, more dynamic T.J. in Andre Caldwell, who has that same kind of fire and confidence that T.J. had back then. Let's move on from the T.J.'s and Chad's and see what we have in the youngsters. We were never able to really win with them at their best, so why hold on to these guys?

[ArmyBengal]

Similiar to when Chad won the best hand contest at the pro bowl and TJ claimed he had better hands. That may in fact be the case, but at the time, it came across as just stupid and low and behold, he's come full circle...

[gregstephens]

Similiar to when Chad won the best hand contest at the pro bowl

Dude, you are going back three lifetimes ago.

[ArmyBengal]

Similiar to when Chad won the best hand contest at the pro bowl

Dude, you are going back three lifetimes ago.

Funny the sh*t you remember huh ?? For some reason I always remembered that particular event and laughed.

TJ thinks he's better than he is and before Carson, he was close to getting cut.