kentjett Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 He would be a good 3 4 end but he doesn't have the speed that is needed to become a great pass rushing end. He will never see 10+ sacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratmandu Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Larry Fitzgerald actually helped Crabtree's draft stock. They are very similar receivers (Big with great hands and questionable speed), but they are both all world. Someone in the top 5 will want the next "Larry Fitzgerald" and he will be gone long before we get on the clock.I don't think Crabtree will be there at #6 either but if he is I think Mikey will jump all over him to save face with his and Marvin's feud with Ocho Stinko.This would also be the final nail in the coffin for Chad and would immediately free Mikey up to deal chad in the remaining rounds to maybe get another 2nd,3rd or 4th round pick.This way Mikey is in a win win situation with the fans and finally has Chad out of his hair.He also softens the blow if TJ leaves and if he doesn't leave he can give Carson some outside help. My personal choice would be Curry or Maualuga or a center but to say that Crabtree doesn't fill a need might not be true if they dump Chad and TJ doesn't resign.Wide receiver would immediately become maybe the biggest need if this scenario transpired.I would be thrilled to get Crabtree if this were the case.IMO you don't confront,criticize or embarrass Mikey,Marvin or the Bengals organization and come out the winner.I do believe that the wrath of Mikey boy will fall and be his final retribution if Crabtree is there at #6.All I am doing here is trying to think like Mikey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 He would be a good 3 4 end but he doesn't have the speed that is needed to become a great pass rushing end. He will never see 10+ sacks.Meh... I don't really have those concerns about him. He may not end up being a sack machine... but much of that will depend upon how whatever team drafts him decides to use him. I think he will be an every down DE who is more effective than anyone currently on the Bengals roster. This in turn will allow them to be fresher and more effective pass rushers as well.But you have to understand what a freak this guy is. He weighs 260, but bench presses 515 pounds. He has run an electronically timed 4.7 in the 40. And has a 42-inch vertical jump to go with 8 percent body fat. He can squat 600+, power cleans 380lbs and has some room to grow. As far as his pass rush talent... again, it will depend on how he is used. I think he'll be used as a complete 3 down end... but his pass rushing skills are there. He can take a game over with his bull-rush, and he developed a good outside-in double move this year.I've come full circle on this guy. I won't be disappointed if the Bengals draft him. I'd still rather take a LB because I think it's more of a pressing need - but I think Orakpo will be special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Pretty much he could left Andre Smith over his head ^-^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Larry Fitzgerald actually helped Crabtree's draft stock. They are very similar receivers (Big with great hands and questionable speed), but they are both all world. Someone in the top 5 will want the next "Larry Fitzgerald" and he will be gone long before we get on the clock.I don't think Crabtree will be there at #6 either but if he is I think Mikey will jump all over him to save face with his and Marvin's feud with Ocho Stinko.This would also be the final nail in the coffin for Chad and would immediately free Mikey up to deal chad in the remaining rounds to maybe get another 2nd,3rd or 4th round pick.This way Mikey is in a win win situation with the fans and finally has Chad out of his hair.He also softens the blow if TJ leaves and if he doesn't leave he can give Carson some outside help. My personal choice would be Curry or Maualuga or a center but to say that Crabtree doesn't fill a need might not be true if they dump Chad and TJ doesn't resign.Wide receiver would immediately become maybe the biggest need if this scenario transpired.I would be thrilled to get Crabtree if this were the case.IMO you don't confront,criticize or embarrass Mikey,Marvin or the Bengals organization and come out the winner.I do believe that the wrath of Mikey boy will fall and be his final retribution if Crabtree is there at #6.All I am doing here is trying to think like Mikey.No. Drafting Crabtree means we could let TJ walk. Not only would we be upgrading the WR position and adding youth, but we'd also free up a lot of extra money to address other needs because we won't have to drop $9 million for a franchise tag, or however much for a longer deal for TJ. Crabtree and Chad would make a MUCH better combo than Crabtree and TJ. There would be a lack of downfield speed in that case. Crabtree would be an upgrade over TJ though for sure and could take over his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I could see the Crabtree thing and it wouldn't be without merit. I wouldn't feel nauseous at the prospect of him being the pick either had we not squandered our second rounder on Simpson and had instead added another good young player to the D or taken a good OG as depth or as a centre prospect. Just a wasted opportunity.FFS - a second rounder. They should basically be a starter for at least a few games their rookie season. Be ready to come in and help produce their second second season.Ah well. I'm with Smith, or Monroe if he's miraculously still there, or one the LBs or Orapko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I think it was posted on another forum but still...woah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Someone will draft him and plonk him as a 3-4 OLB and totally waste his talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Someone will draft him and plonk him as a 3-4 OLB and totally waste his talents.Well I think a good chance he could end up 4-3 end too,Some of the teams I see having interest in him early.Chiefs-Very possible they go Orakpo to get back what they lost in allenBrowns-3-4 OLB though I think they'll go another direction Bengals-he produces 8-9 sacks it's still alot more then anyone else on our team...Bills-Dunno but their fans seem deadset on wanting him.Greenbay-Aren't they going 3-4 this year?Raiders-Al Davis would probably have a chub if he could see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Yep. 8-9 sacks a yr would be nothing to be sniffed at. It would indicate he's getting pressure on the QB. Difference between 8-9 sacks and 10 sacks is negligible. As long as he gets in the QBs face each game and forces rushed throws - golden. 8-9 sacks a year for a decade, maybe a couple of standout yrs included and he would have a 100 sacks in his career. That is impressive, any way you slice it.The Chiefs - yeah I could see that if they stick with their QBs. Probably the most likely destination. They were interested in Chris Long last yr and got their DT instead.I had no clue GB were thinking about switching to a 3-4. Maybe to move AJ into the middle alongside Barnett. He has in no way flopped but he hasn't set the world alight either on the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Just a few reasons why I could see them going OrakpoA few reasons we may select Orakpo-He's an upgrade and far better then anything we have.-It seemed like a pretty wide spread belief that last year the Bengals were interested in Derek Harvey after just signing Odom,Since then we've done nothing to quench the interest in taking a Defensive End-The Past 6 year's we've gotten very little production out of our ends with 1 decent year out of six....2008:Odom=3 sacks Geathers =2.52007:Geathers=3.5 Justin=22006:Geathers=10.5 Justin=6.5 Geathers was playing light and had passing downs where brob had running...2005:Justin=6 Pollack=4 Geathers=32004:Justin=8 Daune=6.52003"Justin=6 Daune=6--He may not be pass rush threat that Freeney is but I think he would still help our passrush in two ways one his own play two letting geathers go back to specialist where hes was lighter faster and only came in on passing downs when he produced....--The guy is a Physical Specimen some will tag him as being a workout warrior but he has produced and nothing wrong with guy taking pride in his body..Reasons not to take him-We gave given Odom & Geathers both large contracts so even with lack of production,we just continue with a lack of pass rush... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Reasons not to take him, part deux: he has durability issues (do we need another highly compensated player riding the pine? He could take over Two Carry's reserved spot on the bench) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 He missed a few gAmes his junior year...big deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Brian Orakpo = Mike Mamula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 If Bengals select DE BOrakpo, he most definately will have to start being picked at #6, so who sits between AOdom and RGeathers, they both have new contracts worthy of being a starter, that's why I can't see a backup making that much $ on the pine...If they go D the most sense is LB, then DT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 What similarites between Orakpo and Reinard Wilson are scary....in a bad way. Curry or Crabtree will be the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 If Bengals select DE BOrakpo, he most definately will have to start being picked at #6, so who sits between AOdom and RGeathers, they both have new contracts worthy of being a starter, that's why I can't see a backup making that much $ on the pine...If they go D the most sense is LB, then DT...Just because they are being paid starter money doesn't mean they deserve to be starters.My opinion is to use Orakpo as a 3 down DE, use Odom on rushing downs, and have Geathers lose a few pounds and bring him in on passing downs ala Robert Mathis.That is how Geathers got his 10.5 sacks, and it's how Mathis gets his double digit sacks year after year. That way, your getting good production out of all your DE's. Is that too much money invested in the DE position? You won't think so if the sack production triples... which it easily could.I will say I'd still prefer a LB... but there are plenty of arguments to be made or Orakpo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Crabtree would be an upgrade over TJ though for sure and could take over his role.That's stupid. Housh has more receptions over the last 3 years than anyone in the NFL. What makes you think a rookie is going to be able to step in and be an upgrade over someone who is currently dominant as a pro? Because Crabtree had one good year in college?If the Bengals draft a RB or a WR in the 1st round, I'm done with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Brian Orakpo = Mike Mamula You analysis seems a bit thin to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Crabtree would be an upgrade over TJ though for sure and could take over his role.That's stupid. Housh has more receptions over the last 3 years than anyone in the NFL. What makes you think a rookie is going to be able to step in and be an upgrade over someone who is currently dominant as a pro? Because Crabtree had one good year in college?If the Bengals draft a RB or a WR in the 1st round, I'm done with them.Yeah, me as well. But I don't think that will happen.Its as obvious as a pair of 36DD's that the Bengals need is a team that can run the ball, protect the passer and in general control both sides of the line of scrimmage. That means re-sign Cedric Benson, in rounds 1-3 draft for the oline and the front 7 on defense. The Bengals know that; their conference opponents know that and most fans know it. Its as simple as the clarity of a pair 38DD's. Imagine that the Bengals get back to a 2005 offense and an improved 2008 defense for this year. I know I'm losing clarity, but imagine. They might win quite a few games. Even if TJ walks, they'll have Chad, Caldwell, Cheech and extras to catch while Carson pitches. That might work.They'll have Cedric and some new scat backs to run through holes opened by their new, bigger, faster Oline. That might work.They'll have maybe a new partner for Sims or Rivers on defense, extra help in the secondary and maybe JJ finally using his talent on every play.With that improvement I'm seeing 40DD's. If they go for RB's, WR's on day one, its back to 32A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 That was one of the breast pieces of analysis I have seen all day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 If Bengals select DE BOrakpo, he most definately will have to start being picked at #6, so who sits between AOdom and RGeathers, they both have new contracts worthy of being a starter, that's why I can't see a backup making that much $ on the pine...If they go D the most sense is LB, then DT...Just because they are being paid starter money doesn't mean they deserve to be starters.My opinion is to use Orakpo as a 3 down DE, use Odom on rushing downs, and have Geathers lose a few pounds and bring him in on passing downs ala Robert Mathis.That is how Geathers got his 10.5 sacks, and it's how Mathis gets his double digit sacks year after year. That way, your getting good production out of all your DE's. Is that too much money invested in the DE position? You won't think so if the sack production triples... which it easily could.I will say I'd still prefer a LB... but there are plenty of arguments to be made or Orakpo.I agree with you about being paid starters $ doesn't mean they have to start,but that is the way MBrown thinks so thats why I don't think they will draft DE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Harhar Orakpo is fairing about aswell as Mauluga on the draft forums...Jist Orakpo Nooooooooooo,Oher Oher Oher we want Oher. eh.I agree with you about being paid starters $ doesn't mean they have to start,but that is the way MBrown thinks so thats why I don't think they will draft DE...But you'd be willing to let peko ride the bench when he has same contract as the ends? No matter what position we take at the end of the day it's going to cost mike brown the same amount of money hence why I think the amount of money in one position will be a non factor,Look at last year We was willing to pay geathers 4.5million ish and Justin 9million for one year of service... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Brian Orakpo = Mike Mamula You analysis seems a bit thin to me. How so?The guy is a workout fanatic who refers to himself as "Beast", mainly from his lengendary workouts in the weight room. He has had some durability issues, as Mamula did. He also had a great senior season, before 2 average seasons, as Mamula did. He most likely will go to the Combine and wow every scout in attendance before he disappoints on Sundays, as Mamula did. I just hope he doesn't do it in Cincinnati.If you don't like the Mamula comparison (or don't remember him), think Vernon Gholston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 If you don't like the Mamula comparison (or don't remember him), think Vernon Gholston. Frankly, one comparison seems just as bad as the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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