TJJackson Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 The top 20 choices overall (and yeah, there may be some quibbling on players on the fringe of this list or the order of the list)QB Matthew Stafford OLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson 1) I do not not believe we want an offensive player unless he is an offensive tackleQB Matthew StaffordOLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson2) If we choose a defender, he should be a front seven guyQB Matthew StaffordOLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson3) Do not draft a guy with *serious* durability and/or character issues. Don't have to be a saint or a stone, but please - no Chrissy Perrys, no Slim15s or OdellsQB Matthew StaffordOLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson 4) We don't need any more fatties who cannot professionally control their weight. No more Jeremi JohnsonsQB Matthew StaffordOLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson so those are my candidates at 6. Sure, some are a so-called "reach" at 6. I dont care if he's a reach as long as he is a quality starter or better every SundayMy top choice is Curry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 The top 20 choices overall (and yeah, there may be some quibbling on players on the fringe of this list or the order of the list)QB Matthew Stafford OLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson 1) I do not not believe we want an offensive player unless he is an offensive tackleQB Matthew StaffordOLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson2) If we choose a defender, he should be a front seven guyQB Matthew StaffordOLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson3) Do not draft a guy with *serious* durability and/or character issues. Don't have to be a saint or a stone, but please - no Chrissy Perrys, no Slim15s or OdellsQB Matthew StaffordOLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson 4) We don't need any more fatties who cannot professionally control their weight. No more Jeremi JohnsonsQB Matthew StaffordOLB Aaron Curry OT Eugene Monroe CB Malcolm Jenkins RB Chris Wells WR Michael Crabtree OT Jason Smith QB Mark Sanchez OT Andre Smith DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin CB Vontae Davis OT Michael Oher TE Brandon Pettigrew ILB Rey Maualuga WR Percy Harvin DE Brian Orakpo DE Everette Brown DT Peria Jerry DE Tyson Jackson so those are my candidates at 6. Sure, some are a so-called "reach" at 6. I dont care if he's a reach as long as he is a quality starter or better every SundayMy top choice is CurryI can narrow your list even further....The pick will be either a OT or one of the following in order: Curry, Raji, Orakpo, Rey M.Personally, With the depth at the tackle position in the draft I believe that Marvin and the front office will pass on a tackle in round 1. What makes me think this even more is the following:-The success they have had in finding great linemen after round 1 (Steinbach, Whitworth, Collins)-Both of the reps from the AFC in the championship game (Both of which came from our division) are built on outstanding defenses.-Marvin is defense first guy and I think he understands that is his best chance to win games (Having a franchise QB is the advantage we have over Baltimore and Pitt, even though they have Big Ben he is no where near the player Carson is when he is healthy.)The league is a copy cat league and we have already tried Arizona and Indy approach which leaves me to believe they will copy the game plan of TN, Pitt, and Baltimore. Which also means that if the Running back from Pittsburgh somehow falls to us in round 2 their is a chance we take him their and then take a center in round 3 followed by an OT in round 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Could you explain how you concluded that Brian Orakpo was a "guy with *serious* durability and/or character issues." He had a sprained knee in '07 and missed a couple games... but I don't think that qualifies as continuing durability issues. No more than most of the players on that list anyway.He's also a finalist for the Lott trophy (final four with Aaron Curry) which recognizes the personal character as well as athletic excellence. It is given to an IMPACT player (being an acronym for Integrity, Maturity, Performance, Academics, Community, and Tenacity). While I'd prefer Maualuga over Orakpo... I believe Orakpo has better character as he's never been arrested, nor caught on video doing By the way... I'd be fine with Curry if he's there. I just think he'll be gone. After that, I'd prefer Maualuga or Orakpo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I know your probably not holding character issues against rey derek but I swear if we take him and have listen about it on draft day I'm going to punch someone :| Ya he had problems his freshmen year dealing with his fathers death but he hasn't had a single problem since then if i'm not mistaken...unless you count thrusting on tv PS,Give me Curry,Orakpo or Reyrey in round one kthx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Could you explain how you concluded that Brian Orakpo was a "guy with *serious* durability and/or character issues." He had a sprained knee in '07 and missed a couple games... but I don't think that qualifies as continuing durability issues. No more than most of the players on that list anyway.He's also a finalist for the Lott trophy (final four with Aaron Curry) which recognizes the personal character as well as athletic excellence. It is given to an IMPACT player (being an acronym for Integrity, Maturity, Performance, Academics, Community, and Tenacity). While I'd prefer Maualuga over Orakpo... I believe Orakpo has better character as he's never been arrested, nor caught on video doing By the way... I'd be fine with Curry if he's there. I just think he'll be gone. After that, I'd prefer Maualuga or Orakpo.At #6, you want a high skill position. Then you want a stud at that position. That means for the Bengals, OT, DE, CB, WR, RB. I doubt they'll burn another 1st round pick on a CB.I doubt they'll burn another high pick on a injury plagued RB in Beanie. I doubt they'll burn another high pick on a WR. The wild card is LB. One of the top 3 might be a true high value guy but only one.So its either OT, DE or LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Hey the "this" just shows he knows how to have fun But ya if Curry,Orakpo or reyrey are on the board give me any of them kthx...Yeah... it was funny. But you need to be more classy when you are in the national spotlight. Besides... the Bengals have enough problems with image.That said... he's still my preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted February 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Could you explain how you concluded that Brian Orakpo was a "guy with *serious* durability and/or character issues."Knee problems in both 07 and 08Other than that - I like him a lot. a LOT.No matter how much I like a player - like Kilmer or Henderson for example - they could not stay on the field due to health issues. Durability is to me a PRIME draft consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Yeah... it was funny. But you need to be more classy when you are in the national spotlight. Besides... the Bengals have enough problems with image.That said... he's still my preference. He's an interesting character. Not bad, but I do wonder a little about how he'll fare during combine interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 IMO if available, there is no way they can pass on ACurry, they have plenty of offensive impact players,but we have none on D... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratmandu Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 IMO I think if Micheal Crabtree is there at #6 the Bengals will grab him in a New York minute !Their thing has always been to take the best athlete available regardless of need.Crabtree will be a perennial all-pro,game breaker who will be IMO even better than Larry Fitzgerald.IMO Mikey Boy won't pass that up !And waz up with Malcolm Jenkins being crossed off as a sissy boy or a trouble maker ?He never was nor has been either of the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Yeah... it was funny. But you need to be more classy when you are in the national spotlight. Besides... the Bengals have enough problems with image.That said... he's still my preference. He's an interesting character. Not bad, but I do wonder a little about how he'll fare during combine interviews.Hopefully rivers is coaching him up on how to sweet talk marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Right now, the only positions that are absolute necessities to be filled are center and fullback, where we have nobody to line up. However, we will not take those positions with our 1st pick. Take the best player available with the fewest question marks. It does not have to be offensive tacke. Right now, worst case scenario, we could line up Levi Jones and Anthony Collins at the tackle positions. If healthy, that is at least adequate. You can't argue with taking Crabtree given the question marks at that position. TJ may be gone, Chad is getting older, and we have nobody proven behind those two. On a team built around Carson Palmer, can you really afford not to make sure he always has outstanding WRs. And after seeing Fitzgerald almost single-handedly take the cardinals to the superbowl, I wold have no problem with that choice.On defense, we need an impact player in the front 7, preferrably a pass rusher, and preferrably at the LB position. An outside guy would be great, but a true stud middle LB would be huge as well.There will be plenty of players available at several positions that we could definitely use. I just think it's dumb to lock into one position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 IMO I think if Micheal Crabtree is there at #6 the Bengals will grab him in a New York minute !Their thing has always been to take the best athlete available regardless of need.Crabtree will be a perennial all-pro,game breaker who will be IMO even better than Larry Fitzgerald.IMO Mikey Boy won't pass that up !You're right, there's a very high chance that Mikey will grab Crabtree because he just can't help himself. I'd say there's also a decent chance he'll grab Wells simply because even Mikey will pay his scout (singular) to take a daytrip to Columbus, so I'm sure they've been eyeing him for some time. Unfortunately.Actually, I'll tell you who would love to get his hands on Crabtree - that would be Mr. Al Davis. That guy has a chubby for good wide receivers (wow that sounds even worse than intended). If Mikey was smart, he might try to goad Al Davis into giving him something to switch picks. Or convince Davis the Bengals want Crabtree enough so he does something dumb like trade ahead of the Bengals to get Crabtree, leaving another good player for the Bengals at 6.Of course, that would require sophistication and guile, and we *know* Mikey doesn't have that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 IMO I think if Micheal Crabtree is there at #6 the Bengals will grab him in a New York minute !Their thing has always been to take the best athlete available regardless of need.Crabtree will be a perennial all-pro,game breaker who will be IMO even better than Larry Fitzgerald.Same thing was said about Peter Warrick when he was drafted in regards to him being a player projected to being a perennial all-pro. IF, and I think that is a HUGE if, he's still there at #6, YOU TRADE DOWN to one of the multiple teams that have a greater need at WR and let them fight over him. Slide down and take your guy.If the Bengals actually TAKE Crabtree at #6 -----> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 IMO I think if Micheal Crabtree is there at #6 the Bengals will grab him in a New York minute !Their thing has always been to take the best athlete available regardless of need.Crabtree will be a perennial all-pro,game breaker who will be IMO even better than Larry Fitzgerald.IMO Mikey Boy won't pass that up !And waz up with Malcolm Jenkins being crossed off as a sissy boy or a trouble maker ?He never was nor has been either of the two.Two things... Jenkins was crossed out because he plays in the secondary. TJ made it clear that any defensive player in the 1st round needed to be in the front 7. The Bengals don't need three 1st round CB's... well, maybe they do - but they need to start building this defense from the inside out.As for Crabtree... same argument. You don't build from the outside in. The Lions did that for years. How'd it work out?Crabtree might be a very good WR in this league. I doubt he will be better than Fitzgerald though. That's tough to do when you consider his body of work. Crabtree looks to me like a Roy Williams type without the prima donna baggage. He should be a great player and deserves to be the first WR taken... but doesn't have the pedigree of Calvin Johnson (freak), nor the resume of Fitzgerald who has the record with TD catches in 18 straight games in college... For Pittsburgh no less! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 No matter how many times I read it, and we're talking about hundreds of examples, I just don't get the Mike Brown/Beanie Wells joke. FWIW I'm not asking for an explanation as I see the joke being attempted. I'm just saying, I wouldn't. And you shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Alex Boone anyone from The OSU?I understand he got a ride last night in one of those special cars that don't open from the inside for those lucky few sitting in the back seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 So how good is Malcolm Jenkins is he Young Champ baily/Nnamdi Asomugha good or just best corner in the draft...If we wanted add a super high talent @ CB I'd say wait after draft and see what it would take to get Nnamdi Asomugha off oaklands hands...more then likely i'm guessing 2 1st's that it would take to sign up without permission.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Jenkins is the best corner in the draft. He has decent size and speed, good ball awareness, good character, and is a willing tackler. He's not a shutdown corner or the next Champ Bailey, just a good solid prospect without any holes in his game. Agree with Crabtree not being the same caliber of prospect as Fitz or Calvin Johnson. He also won't be on the board at #6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Right now, the only positions that are absolute necessities to be filled are center and fullback, where we have nobody to line up. However, we will not take those positions with our 1st pick. Take the best player available with the fewest question marks. It does not have to be offensive tacke. Right now, worst case scenario, we could line up Levi Jones and Anthony Collins at the tackle positions. If healthy, that is at least adequate. You can't argue with taking Crabtree given the question marks at that position. TJ may be gone, Chad is getting older, and we have nobody proven behind those two. On a team built around Carson Palmer, can you really afford not to make sure he always has outstanding WRs. And after seeing Fitzgerald almost single-handedly take the cardinals to the superbowl, I wold have no problem with that choice.On defense, we need an impact player in the front 7, preferrably a pass rusher, and preferrably at the LB position. An outside guy would be great, but a true stud middle LB would be huge as well.There will be plenty of players available at several positions that we could definitely use. I just think it's dumb to lock into one position.Larry Fitzgerald actually helped Crabtree's draft stock. They are very similar receivers (Big with great hands and questionable speed), but they are both all world. Someone in the top 5 will want the next "Larry Fitzgerald" and he will be gone long before we get on the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 No matter how many times I read it, and we're talking about hundreds of examples, I just don't get the Mike Brown/Beanie Wells joke. FWIW I'm not asking for an explanation as I see the joke being attempted. I'm just saying, I wouldn't. And you shouldn't.Would you care to restate your answer in the form of English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 So how good is Malcolm Jenkins is he Young Champ baily/Nnamdi Asomugha good or just best corner in the draft...If we wanted add a super high talent @ CB I'd say wait after draft and see what it would take to get Nnamdi Asomugha off oaklands hands...more then likely i'm guessing 2 1st's that it would take to sign up without permission..In regards to the bolded portion, I thought he was a free agent this year. If not, he another guy I would love to see come here that never will. We have 1st round money in both our starting CB's and Asomugha will command upwards of 10 million per year with a hell of a signing bonus up front. Jenkins ?? I like him, but there's no reason to take him in the first. None... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Indeed he is a FA but no way raiders don't tag him.. he shuts down half of the field and probably best starting corner in the nfl now... would be too $$$ overall but I would rather do that then take a corner 6th overall who sounds like hall but gets burnt less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Maybe its just me, but Orakpo has "Bust" /"Overrated" written all over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Maybe its just me, but Orakpo has "Bust" /"Overrated" written all over him.Why because he happen to be strong as ferk? Bunkey was a workout warrior but didn't he not really produce in college? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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