ArmyBengal Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No, the 7th hasn't been bad for us and it will be even better if they can get a Fullback that can find a way to not eat his way out of the league after becoming the highest paid FB in the league...True enough, but there have been just too few drafts where impact players are picked. Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience.Right off the bat without looking it up, I know Tory James, and Deltha O'Neal made the pro bowl as Bengals. The other eludes me without looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No, the 7th hasn't been bad for us and it will be even better if they can get a Fullback that can find a way to not eat his way out of the league after becoming the highest paid FB in the league...True enough, but there have been just too few drafts where impact players are picked. Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience.Right off the bat without looking it up, I know Tory James, and Deltha O'Neal made the pro bowl as Bengals. The other eludes me without looking.Yep, then there was Ashley Ambrose, all CB's. Its been 2 or 3 decades since a Cincy LB, DT, DE made the Pro Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No, the 7th hasn't been bad for us and it will be even better if they can get a Fullback that can find a way to not eat his way out of the league after becoming the highest paid FB in the league...True enough, but there have been just too few drafts where impact players are picked. Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience.Right off the bat without looking it up, I know Tory James, and Deltha O'Neal made the pro bowl as Bengals. The other eludes me without looking.There were just three, eh?In addition to the two names Army already and correctly gave youS David Fulcher 1990CB Ashley Ambrose in 1996S Tremain Mack in 1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No, the 7th hasn't been bad for us and it will be even better if they can get a Fullback that can find a way to not eat his way out of the league after becoming the highest paid FB in the league...True enough, but there have been just too few drafts where impact players are picked. Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience.Right off the bat without looking it up, I know Tory James, and Deltha O'Neal made the pro bowl as Bengals. The other eludes me without looking.There were just three, eh?In addition to the two names Army already and correctly gave youS David Fulcher 1990CB Ashley Ambrose in 1996S Tremain Mack in 1999Stand corrected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No, the 7th hasn't been bad for us and it will be even better if they can get a Fullback that can find a way to not eat his way out of the league after becoming the highest paid FB in the league...True enough, but there have been just too few drafts where impact players are picked. Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience.Right off the bat without looking it up, I know Tory James, and Deltha O'Neal made the pro bowl as Bengals. The other eludes me without looking.There were just three, eh?In addition to the two names Army already and correctly gave youS David Fulcher 1990CB Ashley Ambrose in 1996S Tremain Mack in 1999Stand corrected!I believe Tremain Mack made it as a special teams player and not as a defensive player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 What if LT is the best available at 6? I think that will be the case. How could it be any different when you not only rate every LT the same, but also rank each one as BPA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmanation Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 In retrospect i find it hilarious how if we had traded Chad to the Redskins for their 13th overall pick and a second round pick we could easily pick up Rey/Curry or an OT AND a good center and RB/DE in the second round....Wow Mike Brown, keeping Chad this year was REALLY smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Wow Mike Brown, keeping Chad this year was REALLY smart.That's DiktaDeal #2 that Mike Brown has fubared so far, for those of you counting at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Wow Mike Brown, keeping Chad this year was REALLY smart.That's DiktaDeal #2 that Mike Brown has fubared so far, for those of you counting at home. Maybe 3# he will decide he can't run a football team and bring in someone who can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 What if LT is the best available at 6? I think that will be the case. How could it be any different when you not only rate every LT the same, but also rank each one as BPA? No I don't rate them the same. I do rate the likely LT available to the Bengals at #6, Monroe or Oher better than Maualuga or Orapko.This is likely to change once the combine is done, maybe Andre Smith isn't a 1 or 2 pick; maybe Orapko climbs or falls. But right now there are 4 guys with feet like basketball players, weight 320-340 pounds and protect Carson's back. Those are rare athletes and at #6, definitely draft a rare athlete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 In retrospect i find it hilarious how if we had traded Chad to the Redskins for their 13th overall pick and a second round pick we could easily pick up Rey/Curry or an OT AND a good center and RB/DE in the second round....Wow Mike Brown, keeping Chad this year was REALLY smart.Johnathan Stewart (Who was my number one back in last years draft) went at 13.We also missed out on the following: Branden Albert, Otah, Chris Johnson, and Cromartie.When you start throwing those names around and then the extra second rounder we could have turned into Max Unger or Eric Wood I want to shoot myself.PS:The good news for me is that I am only 25 and I WILL outlive Mike Brown which means that eventually I will get to see someone else run this team, someone who actually knows football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 In retrospect i find it hilarious how if we had traded Chad to the Redskins for their 13th overall pick and a second round pick we could easily pick up Rey/Curry or an OT AND a good center and RB/DE in the second round....Wow Mike Brown, keeping Chad this year was REALLY smart.Johnathan Stewart (Who was my number one back in last years draft) went at 13.We also missed out on the following: Branden Albert, Otah, Chris Johnson, and Cromartie.When you start throwing those names around and then the extra second rounder we could have turned into Max Unger or Eric Wood I want to shoot myself.PS:The good news for me is that I am only 25 and I WILL outlive Mike Brown which means that eventually I will get to see someone else run this team, someone who actually knows football The Redskins had the 21st pick in last year's draft so we didn't miss on those guys. They have the 13th pick in this draft so we'll miss on some good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 In retrospect i find it hilarious how if we had traded Chad to the Redskins for their 13th overall pick and a second round pick we could easily pick up Rey/Curry or an OT AND a good center and RB/DE in the second round....Wow Mike Brown, keeping Chad this year was REALLY smart.Johnathan Stewart (Who was my number one back in last years draft) went at 13.We also missed out on the following: Branden Albert, Otah, Chris Johnson, and Cromartie.When you start throwing those names around and then the extra second rounder we could have turned into Max Unger or Eric Wood I want to shoot myself.PS:The good news for me is that I am only 25 and I WILL outlive Mike Brown which means that eventually I will get to see someone else run this team, someone who actually knows football The Redskins had the 21st pick in last year's draft so we didn't miss on those guys. They have the 13th pick in this draft so we'll miss on some good players.Yea, I don't know why I even said that because I did look at the draft. We still missed on the dude that ran a 4.2 forty. Having Chris Johnson on the Bengals would put a smile on my face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 The 6th and 13th picks wouldn't been sweet! Could you imagine a draft where the Bengals could have come out with Andre Smith/Monroe/Jason Smith and possibly Rey/Curry/Orakpo/Maclin/McCoy in the first round (with a high 2nd round pick to boot, which could have then easily been Mack or Unger)? All this on top of a first rounder last year, which could have been ANOTHER impact player (Sam Baker, Felix Jones, Rahad Mendenhall, Chris Johnson, Donnie Avery, Eddie Royal and Matt Fote all went after the 21st pick, which the 'Skins offered).WOW! What a dumb move. This ranks right after failing to pull the trigger in the Akili draft, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 The 6th and 13th picks wouldn't been sweet! Could you imagine a draft where the Bengals could have come out with Andre Smith/Monroe/Jason Smith and possibly Rey/Curry/Orakpo/Maclin/McCoy in the first round (with a high 2nd round pick to boot, which could have then easily been Mack or Unger)? All this on top of a first rounder last year, which could have been ANOTHER impact player (Sam Baker, Felix Jones, Rahad Mendenhall, Chris Johnson, Donnie Avery, Eddie Royal and Matt Fote all went after the 21st pick, which the 'Skins offered).WOW! What a dumb move. This ranks right after failing to pull the trigger in the Akili draft, IMO. Yup. What makes it worse is the Redskins traded their pick to Atlanta (who used it on Baker) for a pair of 2nd rounders. We could have had Forte and Royal from last year plus the 13th this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmanation Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 In retrospect i find it hilarious how if we had traded Chad to the Redskins for their 13th overall pick and a second round pick we could easily pick up Rey/Curry or an OT AND a good center and RB/DE in the second round....Wow Mike Brown, keeping Chad this year was REALLY smart.Johnathan Stewart (Who was my number one back in last years draft) went at 13.We also missed out on the following: Branden Albert, Otah, Chris Johnson, and Cromartie.When you start throwing those names around and then the extra second rounder we could have turned into Max Unger or Eric Wood I want to shoot myself.PS:The good news for me is that I am only 25 and I WILL outlive Mike Brown which means that eventually I will get to see someone else run this team, someone who actually knows football The Redskins had the 21st pick in last year's draft so we didn't miss on those guys. They have the 13th pick in this draft so we'll miss on some good players.Mike Brown turned down the Redskins 1st round pick in 09 and 2nd round pick in 08 for Chad. So we would have had the 6th AND 13th this year. The trade wasn't for their first last year, thats what Mike Brown wanted but the skins didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Mortensen reported last year that the Skins were offering their 08 first plus a conditional pick in 09 which would range from 3rd to first for Chad. Marvin initially denied the report but then admitted it. On draft day, ESPN reported that a team had offered two definite first round picks that day for Chad but the Bengals declined the offer. The team wasn't identified but most people, including me, think it was the Redskins upping their offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Mortensen reported last year that the Skins were offering their 08 first plus a conditional pick in 09 which would range from 3rd to first for Chad. Marvin initially denied the report but then admitted it. On draft day, ESPN reported that a team had offered two definite first round picks that day for Chad but the Bengals declined the offer. The team wasn't identified but most people, including me, think it was the Redskins upping their offer.That's pretty much how I remember it, too. I think that the Bengals have been on a 3 year rebuilding plan (based on moves in the draft/free agency) since '07, to make a run in 2010 and it still doesn't make sense to leave 2 first round picks or even a 1st and a 3rd on the table for an aging Chad. With ticket and merchandising sales down to the worst in the PBS era (which had to be Mike's motivation for failing to pull the trigger last year), the Bengals need a strong offseason this year and that starts with making over the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baraka Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Mortensen reported last year that the Skins were offering their 08 first plus a conditional pick in 09 which would range from 3rd to first for Chad. Marvin initially denied the report but then admitted it. On draft day, ESPN reported that a team had offered two definite first round picks that day for Chad but the Bengals declined the offer. The team wasn't identified but most people, including me, think it was the Redskins upping their offer.That's pretty much how I remember it, too. I think that the Bengals have been on a 3 year rebuilding plan (based on moves in the draft/free agency) since '07, to make a run in 2010 and it still doesn't make sense to leave 2 first round picks or even a 1st and a 3rd on the table for an aging Chad. With ticket and merchandising sales down to the worst in the PBS era (which had to be Mike's motivation for failing to pull the trigger last year), the Bengals need a strong offseason this year and that starts with making over the offense.the problem is the make over includes a center and a tackle, not exactly merchandising gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 How the first last year and the first this year would have gone to the rebuilding of this team is immeasureable. I mean it is just staggering to think about how it would have helped this team. I can't see the argument of how do they absorb the cap hit after the got rid of Willie, Rudi, and Deltha and then left the money out there for no reason. Just a complete cluster f*ck of epic Mike Brown proportions !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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