This Has Been the Best Off-season Since...

[TippCityRick]

That's probably just the tip of the iceberg, but it does touch on the fact that the Bengals are a team built around a raving douchebag who has produced an ever growing list of mental meltdowns and outright choking performances.

Where do you get the idea this team is build around Chad? Certainly it is built around Palmer and the passing game as a whole (hence the amount of money spent to protect him). Yes Chad is and important part of this team . . . top three receiver and top 20 players rate being important. But everything I see has this team revolving around the Palmer universe.

[redsbengalsbucks]

And there it isn't.

Let me remind you that it was you who mentioned Chad, not me. And it was you who immediately acknowledged the never ending threat of meltdown that Chad represents. In response I pointed out that Chad is simply the tip of a very large intangible iceberg, and is notable only because it can be argued the entire team was built around his talent and his idiocy.

Where's the iceberg? Outside of the outsized Chadmania, exactly who is it that constitutes this "very large intangible iceberg?"

And just who is your wifes favorite team?

[HairOnFire]

Where's the iceberg? Outside of the outsized Chadmania, exactly who is it that constitutes this "very large intangible iceberg?"

Are you kidding me? Tangible is defined as anything that is substantive, measurable, or provable, right? So scan down this teams roster and give me a quick recap of the positions on this team currently being manned by players who are either completely unproven, or entirelly new to the team, or incapable of producing a predictable level of play due to circumstances that we're aware of right freaking now?

Go on, give it a try. Build your own iceberg.

[HoosierCat]

Are you kidding me? Tangible is defined as anything that is substantive, measurable, or provable, right? So scan down this teams roster and give me a quick recap of the positions on this team currently being manned by players who are either completely unproven, or entirelly new to the team, or incapable of producing a predictable level of play due to circumstances that we're aware of right freaking now?

All of which would be tangible, measureable things, of course.

[HairOnFire]

Where do you get the idea this team is build around Chad? Certainly it is built around Palmer and the passing game as a whole (hence the amount of money spent to protect him). Yes Chad is and important part of this team . . . top three receiver and top 20 players rate being important. But everything I see has this team revolving around the Palmer universe.

Where do you get the idea the team isn't built around Chad? You admit the team is built around the passing game as a whole, right? So which pass catcher has been the Bengals primary weapon these last few years....regardless of who the starting QB was?

Frankly, I have no desire to engage in a pointless debate about which player the Bengals passing game is built around the most. Suffice to say the Bengals are a team built around the passing game, and that passing game is built around Chad Johnson, amongst others. So whether you rank him as the 2nd or 3rd most important player hardly matters. What matters is the fact that Chad Johnson is one of a small handful of players that it can be said the Bengals have built their team around.

And here's the rub. Even those of you have dreams of a playoff spot are very quick to concede that Chad Johnson is a very real threat to meltdown like an ugly girl on Prom Night.

[TippCityRick]

Where do you get the idea the team isn't built around Chad? You admit the team is built around the passing game as a whole, right? So which pass catcher has been the Bengals primary weapon these last few years....regardless of who the starting QB was?

That's like saying the Colts are built around Marvin Harrison . . . and now built around Reggie Wayne. That's ludicrous!! Franchise quarterbacks are gold in this league.

Right now Chad is the primary receiver. I hold no illusions that TJ is a no. 1. However receivers can be replaced, even one of the best in the league (when I referenced Chad as "top three receiver" I was referring to the league as a whole). We've started that process, although you never know what draft picks will pan out.

Palmer is one of the highest paid players in the league. We may have spent more than any other team in the league on a line to protect him. This team is built around Palmer and that's what has Chad more miffed than anything! The attention is on someone other than him! He's a pawn and wants to be treated like a king (or a queen?).

Frankly, I have no desire to engage in a pointless debate . . .

Again, isn't that what we do here . . . engage in pointless debate!

[membengal]

To be perfectly honest I've hated this off-season more than any I can think of, but I'm not sure I can put my finger on why I feel the way I do. For example, when I read the opening post I scrolled through the list of positves Membengal wrote about and each step of the way I nodded my head in agreement. Yet somehow when it's all added up the results don't quite add up to something I consider positive.

Truth be told my mood seems close to that expressed in another thread by JJAKQ. That being, I'm weirdly disinterested.

Yo, hair, nice to hear from you.

My "excitment" about camp being here is muted as well, but that's part of what caused me to compile my own list of what I saw this off-season and chew on it. Because there is a disconnect between how "excited" I am and how well, frankly, the Bengals did this off-season, at least in comparison to previous off-seasons.

I have no idea why I am less "excited" or what not, perhaps it is beaten-fan syndrome again, I am crouching in the corner, waiting for the first wave of injuries to hit, or the hold outs, or an arrest, or a CJ soap opera, etc. etc. etc. Because of those things, any excitement is certainly cautious at best. We've seen all of them all too much recently to be sure of anything.

It's just that the rational side of me, divorced from the fan-in-the-corner hoping not be get beaten by fate again, looking at this off-season, has to admit that it has been a pretty damn good one.

I freely acknowledge that is no predictor of anything, nor do I necessarily predict good things for this team. Just that what they have done should have at the very least not harmed their chances of being decent. Whether they will be or not, I dunno.

[HairOnFire]

That's like saying the Colts are built around Marvin Harrison . . . and now built around Reggie Wayne. That's ludicrous!!

We're not doing this. You're making an argument based upon the idea that a team builds itself only around one player...in this example Palmer. And that's fine to a point. But I believe all teams build themselves around 3 or 4 core players and Chad Johnson has fit the description of a core building block for this team for many years.

[BengalByTheBay]

Where's the iceberg? Outside of the outsized Chadmania, exactly who is it that constitutes this "very large intangible iceberg?"

Are you kidding me? Tangible is defined as anything that is substantive, measurable, or provable, right? So scan down this teams roster and give me a quick recap of the positions on this team currently being manned by players who are either completely unproven, or entirelly new to the team, or incapable of producing a predictable level of play due to circumstances that we're aware of right freaking now?

Go on, give it a try. Build your own iceberg.

So, any team with rookies or new FA's has a problem with intangibles? That's a real weak effort even for you. To recap, your answer amounts to "I don't know what I meant, why don't you tell me."

And your claim that this team is built around Chad Johnson is particularly ridiculous at any time since Carson Palmer was drafted. Argue it all you want, but TCRick pretty much ate your lunch for you on that ill-considered claim.

[TippCityRick]

We're not doing this. You're making an argument based upon the idea that a team builds itself only around one player...in this example Palmer. And that's fine to a point. But I believe all teams build themselves around 3 or 4 core players and Chad Johnson has fit the description of a core building block for this team for many years.

And . . . I agree with you. Thank God; I was getting tired! Yes Chad is one of the building blocks of this team; part of the second tier after Carson. That's why I was in favor of how the team handled this off-season's mess. You don't just cast aside a player that is that good.

And Bay, I didn't eat his lunch. It was only a snack!

[HairOnFire]

So, any team with rookies or new FA's has a problem with intangibles? That's a real weak effort even for you.

Here's some free advice. Don't deliberatly attempt to be an even bigger a**h*** than you already are. It's too over-the-top.

And don't hide behind some pussified rant about all teams having rookies and newcomers. You and I both know this team has far more questions to answer than an average team, and a roster with more unproven players than proven.

Don't believe me? An offense that is supposed to be the strength of the team has serious questions at starting RB, backup RB, backup QB, 3rd wideout, 4th wideout, the offensive line is unsettled, and last but not least.....the #1 WR is probably an even bigger douchebag than you.

Probably.

Oh, and then there's the defense.

Anyone who looks at this team closely will quickly walk away with more questions than answers yet some of you have done so and concluded the playoffs are well within the Bengals grasp. Which leads me to believe that you've answered all of your questions with positive answers.

Well, I haven't.

[HairOnFire]

And your claim that this team is built around Chad Johnson is particularly ridiculous at any time since Carson Palmer was drafted. Argue it all you want, but TCRick pretty much ate your lunch for you on that ill-considered claim.

Our disagreement was a bit of piffle based soley upon a choice of words. After a little back-and-forth the positions were made clearer and we found ourselves on common ground. No bid deal.

All things considered, maybe you shouldn't have been so quick to give Rick a reach-around.

[TippCityRick]

Questions? Hell yeah this team has questions . . . in spades! However so does every other team in this division. That's the only reason I say the postseason is within reach. We could be anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6, but so could the Browns or Steelers (not the Ravens. Way to many questions there.).

[HoosierCat]

And don't hide behind some pussified rant about all teams having rookies and newcomers. You and I both know this team has far more questions to answer than an average team, and a roster with more unproven players than proven.

Really? Who on the offense is "unproven"? I guess maybe Perry, tho I would say he acquitted himself well in 2005. And Caldwell, I suppose, if indeed he ends up in the No. 3 over Chatman. But that's about it. On defense...hmmm...I guess you could list Sims, Rivers and White.

Don't believe me? An offense that is supposed to be the strength of the team has serious questions at starting RB, backup RB, backup QB, 3rd wideout, 4th wideout, the offensive line is unsettled, and last but not least.....the #1 WR is probably an even bigger douchebag than you.

An impressive list until you look closer. Rudi, by all reports, is recovered from his injury and looked good enough during the mini to give The Cryptkeeper a woodie. Perry was at, IIRC, an estimated 87.5% at last report. I'd say he has to be around, oh, 94.665% by now. Questions at backup QB? Seriously? Sheesh, it's a pretty rare team that doesn't have a dropoff from the No. 1 guy there, and I wasn't aware of any issues with Fitzpatrick. 3rd & 4th wideout? Well, well see how that develops, but with Chad, TJ, Utecht and Perry, Carson won't lack targets. And as for Chad, no one but you seems that concerned about him at this point.

Oh, and then there's the defense.

Yeah, there's the defense. A pretty good secondary, arguably the most talented (if largely raw) LB corps we've managed since 2005 and a front four bolstered by the arrival of some badly needed young talent.

Anyone who looks at this team closely will quickly walk away with more questions than answers yet some of you have done so and concluded the playoffs are well within the Bengals grasp. Which leads me to believe that you've answered all of your questions with positive answers.

Well, I haven't.

Chad Derangement Syndrome will do that.

[HairOnFire]

I agree with you. >< Yes Chad is one of the building blocks of this team....

Hey, look at that.

[HairOnFire]

An impressive list until you look closer. Rudi, by all reports, is recovered from his injury and looked good enough during the mini to give The Cryptkeeper a woodie. Perry was at, IIRC, an estimated 87.5% at last report. I'd say he has to be around, oh, 94.665% by now. Questions at backup QB? Seriously? Sheesh, it's a pretty rare team that doesn't have a dropoff from the No. 1 guy there, and I wasn't aware of any issues with Fitzpatrick. 3rd & 4th wideout? Well, well see how that develops, but with Chad, TJ, Utecht and Perry, Carson won't lack targets. And as for Chad, no one but you seems that concerned about him at this point.

Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap.

The sight of Rudi Johnson in a thong may be enough to give John Clayton a very small and oddly hairless erection but the questions surrounding Rudi have nothing to do with his conditioning, and everything to do with advancing age and fresh concerns about durability. Plus, the backup RB situation behind Rudi is completely unsettled both in the short and long term. And I'm not simply talking about a dropoff in talent at backup QB. I'm talking about an entire roster of backups who have thrown as many regular season passes for the Bengals as you have. Or even a dead guy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not typical of most teams, is it? Moving on, there's a very good chance that last seasons struggles at the 3rd and 4th wideout slots will be repeated....with only the names being changed from last years script. And finally, as for the idea that nobody but me is concerned about Chad, let me remind you again how without any prompting from me whatsoever you wrote about the very real possibility of Chad melting down.

Again, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap.

[HoosierCat]

Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap.

A good description of your response, yes.

The sight of Rudi Johnson in a thong may be enough to give John Clayton a very small and oddly hairless erection but the questions surrounding Rudi have nothing to do with his conditioning, and everything to do with advancing age and fresh concerns about durability.

So conditioning has nothing to do with easing age and durability concerns? How's that work? And specifically what "fresh" concerns are there? There's been nothing but positive news on the Rudi front since the end of last season.

Plus, the backup RB situation behind Rudi is completely unsettled both in the short and long term.

Well, you know, that's what training camp is for. And should Perry or Watson falter, everyones favorite former Seahawk is still out there.

And I'm not simply talking about a dropoff in talent at backup QB. I'm talking about an entire roster of backups who have thrown as many regular season passes for the Bengals as you have.

Oh fer chrisssakes, now it's a negative that Palmer hasn't missed any time in the last two years?????

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not typical of most teams, is it?

Hell, Fitz has more starts than Brady Quinn or Joe Flacco.

Moving on, there's a very good chance that last seasons struggles at the 3rd and 4th wideout slots will be repeated....with only the names being changed from last years script.

Sorry, but I have to think the combination of a second rounder, a third rounder and Chatman has a much better chance to succeed than a combination of a seventh rounder, a UDFA and Chatman.

And finally, as for the idea that nobody but me is concerned about Chad, let me remind you again how without any prompting from me whatsoever you wrote about the very real possibility of Chad melting down.

I don't believe Chad will melt down.

[HairOnFire]

My "excitment" about camp being here is muted as well, but that's part of what caused me to compile my own list of what I saw this off-season and chew on it. Because there is a disconnect between how "excited" I am and how well, frankly, the Bengals did this off-season, at least in comparison to previous off-seasons.

I have no idea why I am less "excited" or what not, perhaps it is beaten-fan syndrome again, I am crouching in the corner, waiting for the first wave of injuries to hit, or the hold outs, or an arrest, or a CJ soap opera, etc. etc. etc. Because of those things, any excitement is certainly cautious at best. We've seen all of them all too much recently to be sure of anything.

It's just that the rational side of me, divorced from the fan-in-the-corner hoping not be get beaten by fate again, looking at this off-season, has to admit that it has been a pretty damn good one.

I freely acknowledge that is no predictor of anything, nor do I necessarily predict good things for this team. Just that what they have done should have at the very least not harmed their chances of being decent. Whether they will be or not, I dunno.

Interesting post. Seriously. Change a word here or there and I very easily could have written it. And I find that rather telling because it's actually overwhelmingly rooted in negativity and doubt....which is where I find myself right now....yet you've somehow managed to put MOST of that aside and come to a positive end. I freely admit I'm struggling to do the same.

And that's weird because I'm normally pretty good when it comes to fooling myself.

[HairOnFire]

So conditioning has nothing to do with easing age and durability concerns? How's that work?

Take this test. Go do 100 situps. Then do 100 pushups. Then work out with weights for 30 minutes. Do this everyday for a month. When you're finished go and see a doctor and ask him if you're any younger.

And specifically what "fresh" concerns are there? There's been nothing but positive news on the Rudi front since the end of last season.

Prior to last season Rudi Johnson was considered one of the most durable workhorses in the entire NFL. Yet despite that FACT Bengal fans were already expressing concerns about the wear and tear Rudi had suffered. And then he popped his hamstring, ehhh? So there's actually more reason for concern as this season approaches than there was last year, right? And that concern will only increase with each passing season, right?

And should Perry or Watson falter, everyones favorite former Seahawk is still out there.

You might have better luck convincing me that things weren't as unsettled as they seem by not mentioning players who aren't on the team.

Oh fer chrisssakes, now it's a negative that Palmer hasn't missed any time in the last two years?????

It's not a negative when evaluating the starting QB position. But you're a bright boy and I'm sure you'll eventually grasp how the lack of playing experience negatively impacts the chances for success if ANY of the backup QB's have to play.

Hell, Fitz has more starts than Brady Quinn or Joe Flacco.

Not for this team he doesn't. This team doesn't have a single backup QB on it's roster who has actually thrown a regular season pass while wearing a Bengal uniform, and Fitz is the only one of three options who has thrown one for any team.

Sorry, but I have to think the combination of a second rounder, a third rounder and Chatman has a much better chance to succeed than a combination of a seventh rounder, a UDFA and Chatman.

Let's assume the talent level will be better than last year due to the addition of Simpson and Caldwell. What about game experience? Didn't the needle just drop to zero again?

I don't believe Chad will melt down.

Correction: You don't believe Chad Johnson will melt down AGAIN.

I mention this only because he's already melted down about a dozen times since last season ended.

[HoosierCat]

And specifically what "fresh" concerns are there? There's been nothing but positive news on the Rudi front since the end of last season.

Prior to last season

"Prior to last season." I asked for fresh concerns. Case closed.

And should Perry or Watson falter, everyones favorite former Seahawk is still out there.

You might have better luck convincing me that things weren't as unsettled as they seem by not mentioning players who aren't on the team.

If anything is unsettled at RB its because of injuries that happened in 2006 (Perry) and 2007 (Irons), yet I don't recall you raging about the backup RB spots then. In fact, I don't recall you mentioing them at all...until now.

Oh fer chrisssakes, now it's a negative that Palmer hasn't missed any time in the last two years?????

It's not a negative when evaluating the starting QB position. But you're a bright boy and I'm sure you'll eventually grasp how the lack of playing experience negatively impacts the chances for success if ANY of the backup QB's have to play.

Again, let's look back and ask, where was Hair last offseason when we had Fitz backing Palmer? Oh, yeah, he was praising the team for its strategy at backup QB, for abandoning the impossible search for a quality QB to sit behind Palmer, and for getting a guy with some experience in Fitz while drafting Jeff Rowe with an eye toward the future of the No. 2 slot. Now, a year later, this has suddenly become a problem because Palmer didn't get hurt and give them a chance for some reps?

Sorry, but I have to think the combination of a second rounder, a third rounder and Chatman has a much better chance to succeed than a combination of a seventh rounder, a UDFA and Chatman.

Let's assume the talent level will be better than last year due to the addition of Simpson and Caldwell. What about game experience? Didn't the needle just drop to zero again?

How much game experience did Tab and Holt have? Pretty much nil, right?

[HairOnFire]

I asked for fresh concerns. Case closed.

Pfft. By his own account Rudi Johnson played fewer than two full games last season at 100% and was never healthier than 85-90% after returning. And you counter by pointing out "there's been nothing but positve news since the end of the season", right? Well, they're not playing football now, are they? All they're doing now is talking about playing football, ehhh? As for John Clayton's man gushing, Bengal fans have been treated to articles detailing the improvements in Rudi's body and conditioning for about four years running. Who amongst us can forget....he's bigger, he's leaner, he lost 20 pounds, and now he's bigger again.

If anything is unsettled at RB its because of injuries that happened in 2006 (Perry) and 2007 (Irons), yet I don't recall you raging about the backup RB spots then. In fact, I don't recall you mentioing them at all...until now.

How interested should I be in what you can and can't recall? Because I have spoken about RB depth quite often. Probably hundreds of posts. Just ask Pushy if you don't believe me.

Again, let's look back and ask, where was Hair last offseason when we had Fitz backing Palmer? Oh, yeah, he was praising the team for its strategy at backup QB, for abandoning the impossible search for a quality QB to sit behind Palmer, and for getting a guy with some experience in Fitz while drafting Jeff Rowe with an eye toward the future of the No. 2 slot. Now, a year later, this has suddenly become a problem because Palmer didn't get hurt and give them a chance for some reps?

Here's an idea. How about you let me talk for myself instead of trying to recall everything you think I've said in the past. I only mention it because I've only resumed posting for a day and I'm already tired of you telling me what I have and haven't said. Besides, it's painfully obvious you can barely speak for yourself, so why would I want you speaking for me?

The fact remains that I do like Fitz but I'm suprised this team hasn't bothered to give him a single rep in an actual game. It's not like there hasn't been any garbage time in recent Bengal games. The additions of Rowe and Jordan Palmer may also be positive moves over the long haul, but I see no reason to ignore the reality of any team adding two more backup QB's who have zero experience. So in the end I'm going to disagree with you despite your previous bleating about an entire backup QB corp having almost no experience being typical of all teams, including the Bengals greatest rivals. Pittsburgh has Charlie Batch. Baltimore will pick from a new 1st round draft pick, Kyle Boller, or Troy Smith. And Cleveland will either have a young 1st round draft pick as it's backup or Derek Anderson.

How much game experience did Tab and Holt have? Pretty much nil, right?

When did they have zero experience? Rookie seasons, right? And rookie wideouts with zero experience don't produce very much, right? But you're willing to overlook all of that and assume Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell are simply going to step on the field and do exactly what?

[TippCityRick]

Damn Hair, you sure are argumentative . . . probably what we love about you.

QUOTE(TippCityRick @ Jul 17 2008, 03:12 PM)

I agree with you. >< Yes Chad is one of the building blocks of this team....

Hey, look at that.

If you're gonna quote me, pull the whole quote. I agree that Chad is one of the building blocks, but only as part of the second tier. Palmer is MR. BUILDING BLOCK and there is no other player that gets capital letters.

Lets take your other concerns one by one. Rudi . . . I'm with you on this one. He's been among the leaders in the league for carries each of the previous four years except last year when he was injured. A hamstring isn't the end of the world, but a hamstring on a 30 year old is a cause for serious concern. Yeah the news we've heard has been positive, but I'll feel a lot better after I see him break a couple of tackles on 9/7 in Baltimore. You have to admit though it would be great to see him run over Ray-Ray one more time on the way to the endzone!

Backup RB . . . Watson is a fine backup. Starts well in a pinch and is excellent on third down. Anything we get out of two-carry Perry is a bonus.

Backup QB . . . come on Hair; a little perspective please! Every team hopes to God that their backups never see the field . . . it's one of the goals. Not much experience there, but Fitz did well when he stepped in in St. Louis. That said, if Palmer goes down we're in trouble (see building block conversation). However this is no different than 80% of the other teams in the league. Hell I'm not sure there are 32 capable starting QBs in the league!

Third and fourth WR . . . again I plead for perspective. Hoosier is accurate that this was addressed through the signing of Utecht. I'm looking forward to seeing more two tight-end sets and losing the predictability. Also anything from the aforementioned Mr. Perry will be a bonus. I wouldn't count on Simpson or Caldwell to replace Henry's production due to lack of experience. However we've had very good fortune in the second round with this position, and all indications are that Caldwell is capable of at least drawing a defender away from triple teaming both CJ and TJ!!

Chad melting down . . . ok, could happen although I'm far more confident that this will play out at the end of the year with Collins around to be a father figure through the season. I believe the only way Chad melts is if we begin losing again, and if we do then he won't be the only unhappy camper in stripes.

[HoosierCat]

Here's an idea. How about you let me talk for myself instead of trying to recall everything you think I've said in the past.

Oh, you are welcome to talk for yourself. But as long as you keep suddenly "discovering" issues that were question marks last year, and in fact are in better shape this year than they were in 2007, to start complaining about, all I'm going to do is keep laughing at your chatter.

[skyline]

Here's an idea. How about you let me talk for myself instead of trying to recall everything you think I've said in the past.

Oh, you are welcome to talk for yourself. But as long as you keep suddenly "discovering" issues that were question marks last year, and in fact are in better shape this year than they were in 2007, to start complaining about, all I'm going to do is keep laughing at your chatter.

You two make me tired.

[BengalByTheBay]

And don't hide behind some pussified rant about all teams having rookies and newcomers. You and I both know this team has far more questions to answer than an average team, and a roster with more unproven players than proven.

Don't believe me? An offense that is supposed to be the strength of the team has serious questions at starting RB, backup RB, backup QB, 3rd wideout, 4th wideout, the offensive line is unsettled, and last but not least.....the #1 WR is probably an even bigger douchebag than you.

Probably.

Oh, and then there's the defense.

Anyone who looks at this team closely will quickly walk away with more questions than answers yet some of you have done so and concluded the playoffs are well within the Bengals grasp. Which leads me to believe that you've answered all of your questions with positive answers.

Well, I haven't.

Congratulations on your promotion to the biggest putz on the board.....Shula will be so disappointed.

You're unbridled hysteria is matched only by your blindingly brazen ability to continuously change the issue and avoid talking about the same things. (We notice it, you know, we really do. You're not fooling anybody.) You start off whining about "intangibles" and now you change to arguing about "serious questions" abou the offense. So, I'll take them one at a time. "Starting RB" -- what "intangibles" trouble you about Rudi Johnson? "Backup RB" -- what "intangibles" bother you about Perry or Watson? Both of these positions have injury issues. That is not "intangible." It's quite particularly "tangible."

Now, "Backup QB" -- what "intangibles" are the problem with Fitzgerald? He's too smart?

Now, "3rd wideout" -- this is going to be a rookie. What is the "intangible" problem there? Most teams are going into this season with one of their 3 projected WR's as a rookie. We're far better off here than we have been in several seasons as whatever rookie takes this spot is going to be either better than Antonio Chatman and/or less problematic than Chris Henry. As such, haven't we actually lost an "intangibles" problem here?

"4th wideout" -- really, there's an intangible problem here? Please explain.

"The offensive line is unsettled" -- far less so than in recent years and, whether you like the Andrews move or not, probably the deepest corps. on the team. Exactly what "intangibles" problem exists here?

And then there's Chad Johnson ... ah, there's the rub ... you hate him and wish everybody else did too. Let it go man, let it go. (That's a joke -- I know you can't let it go and so does your therapist.)

Then you go on to complain blanketly about the defense. What is the "intangibles" problem with the defense exactly?

So, in sum, you have no support to your "intangibles" argument. I look forward to ignoring the 12-part rebuttal to this in which you parse out sentences and act like nothing preceded, or succeded, them to attempt to change their meaning while you completely omit any explanation of what the hell "intangibles" rant was about.

ready....set......spaz!