HAPPYJAQ Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Just wondering what the "real" Bengals nation thought about the possbility of Jeremi Johnson being out at FB. It looks like the Bengals like Dan Coats there, according to the main site. I don't see the Bengals keeping two FB's and the move of Coats there looks to be something the Bengals will be working on these OTA's and training camp. They've also suggested that the Bengals keep 4 RB's in Rudi, Chris Perry, Watson and DeDe and apparently the Coats move is a major factor in that. Hayes also apparently has a man-crush on Coats, who was only average to me as a rookie last year. I am one who thinks that Jeremi has been underused here, although his conditioning may be a factor. He clearly has Pro Bowl ability in being a 2-time 1st alternate. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 My Thoughts? They very generously list him as 260lbs. The dude continually comes into camp at around 280lbs. How the hell does anybody think a 280lb FB can get to the line quickly and take out defenders?He has good hands, but his receiving ability is also hampered by weight, as he cannot get open. Too fat, too slow. The guy has always had questions regarding his shape and conditioning.Seriously, during the game, when was the last time you heard his name called? at least 2-3 years ago. The guy wasnt used very much last season for a reason. They had Coats line up as a FB at times late last season. If I'm not mistaken the guy is getting something like $3 million a season on the deal he signed 2 years ago. Bottomline: The guy can be very good, but just hasnt shown the desire to be, after signing his last contract a couple of season ago. If Coats shows anything when the pads come on in next week, I'd release him and use some of his money to maybe extend some contracts like Andrews, or TJ's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 My Thoughts? They very generously list him as 260lbs. The dude continually comes into camp at around 280lbs. How the hell does anybody think a 280lb FB can get to the line quickly and take out defenders?He has good hands, but his receiving ability is also hampered by weight, as he cannot get open. Too fat, too slow. The guy has always had questions regarding his shape and conditioning.Seriously, during the game, when was the last time you heard his name called? at least 2-3 years ago. The guy wasnt used very much last season for a reason. They had Coats line up as a FB at times late last season. If I'm not mistaken the guy is getting something like $3 million a season on the deal he signed 2 years ago. Bottomline: The guy can be very good, but just hasnt shown the desire to be, after signing his last contract a couple of season ago. If Coats shows anything when the pads come on in next week, I'd release him and use some of his money to maybe extend some contracts like Andrews, or TJ's.Agreed. I like J.J., and I think he has good skills, but man needs to do some push ups--as in pushing himself up away from the buffet table at the Golden Corral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 My Thoughts? They very generously list him as 260lbs. The dude continually comes into camp at around 280lbs. How the hell does anybody think a 280lb FB can get to the line quickly and take out defenders?He has good hands, but his receiving ability is also hampered by weight, as he cannot get open. Too fat, too slow. The guy has always had questions regarding his shape and conditioning.Seriously, during the game, when was the last time you heard his name called? at least 2-3 years ago. The guy wasnt used very much last season for a reason. They had Coats line up as a FB at times late last season. If I'm not mistaken the guy is getting something like $3 million a season on the deal he signed 2 years ago. Bottomline: The guy can be very good, but just hasnt shown the desire to be, after signing his last contract a couple of season ago. If Coats shows anything when the pads come on in next week, I'd release him and use some of his money to maybe extend some contracts like Andrews, or TJ's.Agreed. I like J.J., and I think he has good skills, but man needs to do some push ups--as in pushing himself up away from the buffet table at the Golden Corral.If Rudi is the starting RB, he has proven that he runs best out of the I-formation. Does Coats block well enough there (at FB) or does that mean they play Reggie there as they have some in the past? I think the X-factor is Matt Sherry. If he proves he can block on the LT side in the two TE set opposite Utecht, it'll be interesting to see how defenses defend that. That would also mean that the Bengals keep three TE's, which they haven't done in a while. I agree with the thinking that cutting Jeremi could allow for some additional cap space, although I don't know what his cap number would be if released. It seems that the Bengals always have problems with out-of-shape, yet talented FB's (Nick "Luchey" Williams comes to mind, in the recent past). I would be all for it if it means the Bengals have at least an effective replacement and a better chance to re-sign one of the UFA's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJBestInAFC Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I like the idea of cutting Jeremi and using Coates at fullback. I think they could use Kelly at Fb also, which someone earlier posted. It will give the Bengals offense a lot of flexibility and they would be able to carry an extra running back, so they wouldn't have to cut Dorsey who I think should get a spot on the roster. If Coates can block well out of the backfield the Bengals offense will be dangerous especially in short yardage situations teams wont know what to do. I just hope Brat mixes it up if they decide to go with Coates at FB. I think coming into camp out of shape each season means the Bengals can't count on you and that you half ass it in the offseason. There are a lot players that stay in shape in the offseason, I think it just shows how commited you are to football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 My Thoughts? They very generously list him as 260lbs. The dude continually comes into camp at around 280lbs. How the hell does anybody think a 280lb FB can get to the line quicklyalot of teams as of late been playing around with fullbacks of 270+ lbs,If i'm not mistaken lions converted a DT to FB and did a good job weighing almost 300 lbs.I love Jj but it does seem like last few years his production has dropped off.$3 million a season on the deal he signed 2 years ago. Could have swore highest payed fullback (him) only makes like 1.5-1.8 million a year....if he played like he did in 2005 well worth it but meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgilgris Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I think the fact that Coats has been on some special teams makes it an even better move. You then get two positions for the price of one, and cut some of the literally fat in both Contracts and weight. If nothing else it may push jeremy to be in better shape and to work harder. We haven't really had any competition at the fullback position in a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgilgris Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Not sure whether you guys checked out the bengals mandatory minicamp video but old Jeremi was looking as fat as ever. He is number 31 and doing warm up drills right in front of the camera. Disappointing. I am rooting for Coats to take his spot. The man does more working out behind the kitchen than he does in the weight room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Not sure whether you guys checked out the bengals mandatory minicamp video but old Jeremi was looking as fat as ever. He is number 31 and doing warm up drills right in front of the camera. Disappointing. I am rooting for Coats to take his spot. The man does more working out behind the kitchen than he does in the weight room.Jeremi looks fatter than some of the linemen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I dunno about cutting that man, but trading him would be interesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 You know, it's ok to look like a run-stopper...but not when you're a running back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 You know, it's ok to look like a run-stopper...but not when you're a running back.Jeremi will always have problems with his weight; He's been battling it since his Pop Warner days here in Louisville. He will either be the next Craig Heyward who will play well oversized or out of the league. Fans that expect him to come to came at 245 lbs. (and stay there) are dreaming. He's played at 265+ since high school There's no question that he is still one of the top at his postion, when he is healthy and that's why he's made it this far. The Bengals will have a tough decision to make. As someone from my neighborhood who actually made it to the NFL, I'm personally rooting on him to bounce back and have a great year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 You know, it's ok to look like a run-stopper...but not when you're a running back.Jeremi will always have problems with his weight; He's been battling it since his Pop Warner days here in Louisville. He will either be the next Craig Heyward who will play well oversized or out of the league. Fans that expect him to come to came at 245 lbs. (and stay there) are dreaming. He's played at 265+ since high school There's no question that he is still one of the top at his postion, when he is healthy and that's why he's made it this far. The Bengals will have a tough decision to make. As someone from my neighborhood who actually made it to the NFL, I'm personally rooting on him to bounce back and have a great year.I hope you are right--for his sake and the team's sake. Jeremi had a couple years there where he was top notch at FB. And you never hear a word out of him. He's exemplary. I understand he'll never be at 245, but too much girth will end his career--unless he wants to convert to lineman and, who knows? Maybe that's a thought? Any other opinions on that possibility from anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Well, the running back situation may have begun to start sorting itself out today in the usual, unfortunate way: DeDe went down with a groin injury. How bad isn't known, but knowing the Bengals (on) crack medical staff, they will have him try to practice for the next 18 weeks, fail, and finally diagnose a sports hernia halfway through the season. Or am I being too cynical?http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-7-5...camp-notes.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Well, the running back situation may have begun to start sorting itself out today in the usual, unfortunate way: DeDe went down with a groin injury. How bad isn't known, but knowing the Bengals (on) crack medical staff, they will have him try to practice for the next 18 weeks, fail, and finally diagnose a sports hernia halfway through the season. Or am I being too cynical?http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-7-5...camp-notes.htmlThere is no room on this board for being cynical.....LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Well, the running back situation may have begun to start sorting itself out today in the usual, unfortunate way: DeDe went down with a groin injury. How bad isn't known, but knowing the Bengals (on) crack medical staff, they will have him try to practice for the next 18 weeks, fail, and finally diagnose a sports hernia halfway through the season. Or am I being too cynical?http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-7-5...camp-notes.htmlThats something(injuries) you always have to be concerned with when youre a 5'11" 195lb running back, but in non-cantact drills? Maybe he pulled his groin last night with his girlfriend trying some freaky positions? Hey it happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 He's not tall enough to play T, so that probably leaves him as a G, if anything. If he's 280 now, he would still need to gain at least 30 pounds without losing any of his quickness. Also, I don't know if he's strong enough "in a phonebooth" to be strong at the POA; He's traditionally done his best work in lead blocking from the "I", where he has a running start and a designated blocking assignment/route. With the stunts that DT's like to run these days, it would be a major transition. If not FB, I could see a possibility at TE. The only problem is that the Bengals have 4 on the roster and he would have to beat one of those guys out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 He's not tall enough to play T, so that probably leaves him as a G, if anything. If he's 280 now, he would still need to gain at least 30 pounds without losing any of his quickness. Also, I don't know if he's strong enough "in a phonebooth" to be strong at the POA; He's traditionally done his best work in lead blocking from the "I", where he has a running start and a designated blocking assignment/route. With the stunts that DT's like to run these days, it would be a major transition. If not FB, I could see a possibility at TE. The only problem is that the Bengals have 4 on the roster and he would have to beat one of those guys out.Yeah, but if people are talking about converting Coates from TE to FB, then the switch would work itself out. I think JJ has the hands to be a decent receiving TE, as he has always been a decent short pass catcher, but he'd still have the same issue at TE you think he may have on the line. He's not going to be able to get the running start to block. He wouldn't have to necessarily gain any weight to play TE, but the quickness and strength issues would linger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Coats is not going to replace Johnson at FB. He will be the 3rd TE and maybe backup FB because we can't keep 2 FBs on the active roster. Think about it. If Jeremi gets hurt during the season, who else do we have? That's not a good situation for a team that is emphasizing the running game. And you better believe they are not going to start someone who has no experience playing FB if they are serious about revamping the running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Yeah, but if people are talking about converting Coates from TE to FB, then the switch would work itself out. I think JJ has the hands to be a decent receiving TE, as he has always been a decent short pass catcher, but he'd still have the same issue at TE you think he may have on the line. He's not going to be able to get the running start to block. He wouldn't have to necessarily gain any weight to play TE, but the quickness and strength issues would linger.I don't see any benefit in swapping the two. It sounds like trying Coats out at FB was to see if they could cut Jeremi and save some cap space or if he could serve as a backup. If Jeremi was any good as a TE, he's been with the coaches long enough that someone would have had the thought before now to try him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Jeremi gets hurt during the season, who else do we have?The same guy we had for past 3 years....someone from the practice squad or a vet signing mid season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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