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It seems like going to a major University like Florida he'll be able to contribute right away as a 3rd receiver. I think it is a better situation for the QB to have more experience than the receivers. There has always been an attitude with Chad that he knows more than Palmer, but with these young guys they look up to Palmer. Naturally there will be more respect involved. The QB has to be the leader. You can look to the old 49ers. Look at the difference of the respect level with Jerry Rice. He wouldn't dare give any lip to that #16 guy, but he gave Steve Young alot of grief. This will benefit Palmer.

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It seems like going to a major University like Florida he'll be able to contribute right away as a 3rd receiver. I think it is a better situation for the QB to have more experience than the receivers. There has always been an attitude with Chad that he knows more than Palmer, but with these young guys they look up to Palmer. Naturally there will be more respect involved. The QB has to be the leader. You can look to the old 49ers. Look at the difference of the respect level with Jerry Rice. He wouldn't dare give any lip to that #16 guy, but he gave Steve Young alot of grief. This will benefit Palmer.

I'd rather see Chatman, Holt or Gabriel step it up and become the third WR to start the season at least. Give the youngsters some playing time and let them settle in before throwing them out there full time.

I'm still not sold completely on Caldwell, he does not run sharp routes and has had the dropsies in the past. That said, I will love to see him play great and make me a believer.

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It seems like going to a major University like Florida he'll be able to contribute right away as a 3rd receiver. I think it is a better situation for the QB to have more experience than the receivers. There has always been an attitude with Chad that he knows more than Palmer, but with these young guys they look up to Palmer. Naturally there will be more respect involved. The QB has to be the leader. You can look to the old 49ers. Look at the difference of the respect level with Jerry Rice. He wouldn't dare give any lip to that #16 guy, but he gave Steve Young alot of grief. This will benefit Palmer.

I'd rather see Chatman, Holt or Gabriel step it up and become the third WR to start the season at least. Give the youngsters some playing time and let them settle in before throwing them out there full time.

I'm still not sold completely on Caldwell, he does not run sharp routes and has had the dropsies in the past. That said, I will love to see him play great and make me a believer.

You must have really digested alot of Caldwell's college film to come to the conclusion that he doesnt run sharp routes. Where do you find the time?

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One should review this history of wide recievers from the University of Florida - many have been drafted, but very few have been quality starters.

I think Simpson has a better shot, and not just because he was taken in the earlier round

Most of the recievers that you are referring to from Florida were Steve Spurrier's players. For whatever reason, his system may not have prepared WRs or QBs for the pros. The Florida that Caldwell played for runs a completely different offense. The lack of succes of players like Travis Taylor, Jabar Gaffney, Taylor Jacobs, Jaquez Green or even Andre's brother Reche (who hasnt been horrible) doesnt have any relevance to Andre Caldwell. Even Chad Jackson, who has been a huge bust for the Pats, played most his career under Ron Zook, whereas Caldwell played most of his career for Meyer. Its apples and oranges.

Also, its pretty questionable to say that just because a school produces a lot of busts at a certain position that all players from that school at that position will also bust. That sort of thinking probably caused Larry Johnson to slide in the draft. Blair Thomas, Kijana and Curtis Enis were hanging over the head of every running back that came out of Penn St. Larry Johnson has been pretty good.

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I'm still not sold completely on Caldwell, he does not run sharp routes and has had the dropsies in the past. That said, I will love to see him play great and make me a believer.

These guys must have watchd different tape than you...

War Room analysis

POST-DRAFT TAKE: Caldwell tumbled down draft boards because of major concerns over his durability and his performance at Florida's pro day. Caldwell has the hands, athleticism, elusiveness and speed to become a playmaker.

PRE-DRAFT REPORT:

Hands: Shows good hands to reach out and catch off-target passes; can twist body and get feet down inbounds. Is consistent. Catches passes away from body. Is tough, willing to catch passes in traffic; takes hard hits, and holds on to balls. Grade: 8.5

Patterns: Runs sharp routes. Makes fast cuts, and shows a burst to separate. Sets up defenders well, selling fakes. Grade: 8.5

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Also, its pretty questionable to say that just because a school produces a lot of busts at a certain position that all players from that school at that position will also bust

*shrug*

Just pointing out the trend here......and you're right, it is very very similar to the trend of running backs who starred at PSU and were garbage in the NFL.....Another one that comes to mind is Cal QBs

I don't think you're intending to compare Caldwell to Larry Jonson, right?

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I went back and watched some games of Caldwell because I was not sure how good he would be either. I looked at his combine performances and he did really well not only in the 40, but extremely well in all the change of direction drills like the cone drills and shuttles - one of the best in the combine. As well as having more speed, that is where he seems to have a big advangtage over Simpson. Simpson seems to be a good straight line guy with major "hops" but not quite as good at changing direction. The knock on Simpson is that he rounds off his routes too much and does not run them sharply (not Caldwell).

But when I watched Caldwell him in games, he looked even better on film. I think he will be able to contribute right away and I actually think he will be better as a rookie than Chad was. besides the big knock on Chad coming out was that he ran terrible routes. Now he's known as one of the best, most crisp route runners in the NFL.

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I went back and watched some games of Caldwell because I was not sure how good he would be either. I looked at his combine performances and he did really well not only in the 40, but extremely well in all the change of direction drills like the cone drills and shuttles - one of the best in the combine. As well as having more speed, that is where he seems to have a big advangtage over Simpson. Simpson seems to be a good straight line guy with major "hops" but not quite as good at changing direction. The knock on Simpson is that he rounds off his routes too much and does not run them sharply (not Caldwell).

But when I watched Caldwell him in games, he looked even better on film. I think he will be able to contribute right away and I actually think he will be better as a rookie than Chad was. besides the big knock on Chad coming out was that he ran terrible routes. Now he's known as one of the best, most crisp route runners in the NFL.

To me, the most worthless criticism of a WR coming out of college is that "he runs poor routes." I would almost prefer a WR that ran poor routes in college, because it means that he was so much more taleneted than the DBs he faced that he was effective without running crisp routes. Its something you can coach out of a WR very quickly.

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...lives in Fort Thomas, may well be better known nationally as a NFL commentator......

...big forehead, long teeth/goofy grin as seen on HBO's "Inside the NFL"...

Flunked the bar exam multiple times ??? :lol:

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...lives in Fort Thomas, may well be better known nationally as a NFL commentator......

...big forehead, long teeth/goofy grin as seen on HBO's "Inside the NFL"...

Flunked the bar exam multiple times ??? :lol:

Likes to go to the Steelers bar with Jerome Bettis in NYC while on national TV.

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I went back and watched some games of Caldwell because I was not sure how good he would be either. I looked at his combine performances and he did really well not only in the 40, but extremely well in all the change of direction drills like the cone drills and shuttles - one of the best in the combine. As well as having more speed, that is where he seems to have a big advangtage over Simpson. Simpson seems to be a good straight line guy with major "hops" but not quite as good at changing direction. The knock on Simpson is that he rounds off his routes too much and does not run them sharply (not Caldwell).

But when I watched Caldwell him in games, he looked even better on film. I think he will be able to contribute right away and I actually think he will be better as a rookie than Chad was. besides the big knock on Chad coming out was that he ran terrible routes. Now he's known as one of the best, most crisp route runners in the NFL.

To me, the most worthless criticism of a WR coming out of college is that "he runs poor routes." I would almost prefer a WR that ran poor routes in college, because it means that he was so much more taleneted than the DBs he faced that he was effective without running crisp routes. Its something you can coach out of a WR very quickly.

Great Post. Almost EVERY college WR runs poor routes that makes it to the NFL. The reason being that most NFL WR's were physically superior to their competition in college and didn't need to run routes as sharply as they'll need to in the pros. Furthermore, the coaching on technique at the college level is not as good as it is on the pro level, across the board. If a player is coachable, route running may be the single, most easiest correction for young players. Coming from Florida, though, he has been coached better than most college players....and that's the beauty in taking most players from major college programs; they can contribute right away.

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