Another Chad trade discussion...Different topic tho

[Clackwoods]

I found this on the Philly inquirer website:

Eagles president Joe Banner left the owners meetings and returned to Philadelphia because he was not feeling well. . . . Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis clearly is sick of star wide receiver Chad Johnson's trade demands. "It's unfortunate that Chad has put himself in that situation, because a lot of people who really had affection for him now see him in a different light," Lewis said. The Bengals still have no plans to trade Johnson. It's certain nothing will happen with the wide receiver before June 1 because it would cost the Bengals $8.03 million against their salary cap to trade him.

Now, I have been under the assumption that we wouldn't trade him because of the salary cap hit, now is there a chance we could trade him after June 1st and not be hit with that? If that is the case how about we trade him for Roy Williams from the Lions who we could resign to a similiar deal that chad has. He would be around the rest of Carson's career and he could fill the number one role for us.

[ArmyBengal]

Nothing is certain on either side of this debate...

WHODEY !!!

[fattyjay]

I found this on the Philly inquirer website:

Eagles president Joe Banner left the owners meetings and returned to Philadelphia because he was not feeling well. . . . Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis clearly is sick of star wide receiver Chad Johnson's trade demands. "It's unfortunate that Chad has put himself in that situation, because a lot of people who really had affection for him now see him in a different light," Lewis said. The Bengals still have no plans to trade Johnson. It's certain nothing will happen with the wide receiver before June 1 because it would cost the Bengals $8.03 million against their salary cap to trade him.

Now, I have been under the assumption that we wouldn't trade him because of the salary cap hit, now is there a chance we could trade him after June 1st and not be hit with that? If that is the case how about we trade him for Roy Williams from the Lions who we could resign to a similiar deal that chad has. He would be around the rest of Carson's career and he could fill the number one role for us.

If they cut or trade him after June 1 they can spread the cap hit over this year and next year. Still not worth doing in my opinion.

[MARVIN=W'S]

I honestly see no good in keeping him around after all this. My 85 jersey will remain hanging in my closet next to my 28 jersey. I can't support guys that turn on the team and put themselves first. I used to really like Chad but I am absolutely done with him. I hope that all the talk from Marvin saying they will not trade him is just posturing so they can eventually get a good deal for him. I think the damage he will do to the lockeroom chemistry will far exceed the cap hit if we trade him. Get him out now. F*CK Chad.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I still think that cap hit can be dealt with if we had somebody outside the Brown clan running the cap. Somebody who passed math in high school, for instance.

Re-work some deals in connection with an extension that give more '09 money to guys like Carson and TJ in exchange for freeing up '08 money. The signing bonus to Chad is already paid, it's just the pro-rated years that come crashing down on the cap. If they can get trade value for Chad, then they should be able to get some of the team leaders to play ball in exchange for getting rid of the locker room a**h***.

[Oldcat]

I still think that cap hit can be dealt with if we had somebody outside the Brown clan running the cap. Somebody who passed math in high school, for instance.

Re-work some deals in connection with an extension that give more '09 money to guys like Carson and TJ in exchange for freeing up '08 money. The signing bonus to Chad is already paid, it's just the pro-rated years that come crashing down on the cap. If they can get trade value for Chad, then they should be able to get some of the team leaders to play ball in exchange for getting rid of the locker room a**h***.

TJ isnt under contract in 09...yet. And if you removed all the a**H***s from the NFL youd have trouble fielding teams.

I don't really see the value of going thru a lot of gyrations to allow us to screw up our offense. I also don't see how Chad's supposed future distractions are any different than the past distractions when he was happy. But now you feel personally insulted by his behavior. Frankly I think the team will be better off training with him sulking off wherever than having him around. And I'd be suprised if Chad will be able to keep himself away from the real camp. Thats where the cameras are.

As for cap management, funny how all the 'smart' teams are bleeding players these days for cap reasons. But the dumb old Bengals just keep on.

[HairOnFire]

I still think that cap hit can be dealt with if we had somebody outside the Brown clan running the cap. Somebody who passed math in high school, for instance.

Are we talking about the same Mike Brown who negotiated a lease so one-sided it makes babies cry? The same Mike Brown who beat the IRS in open court...prompting them to later rewrite the tax code loopholes that Mike Brown had driven a Chevy Lumina through? The same Mike Brown who voted against a CBA that didn't make financial sense for the owners?

Something tells me the issue here isn't an inability to do simple math.

[Kazkal]

Hair has a point.

[Pidge]

I still think that cap hit can be dealt with if we had somebody outside the Brown clan running the cap. Somebody who passed math in high school, for instance.

Are we talking about the same Mike Brown who negotiated a lease so one-sided it makes babies cry? The same Mike Brown who beat the IRS in open court...prompting them to later rewrite the tax code loopholes that Mike Brown had driven a Chevy Lumina through? The same Mike Brown who voted against a CBA that didn't make financial sense for the owners?

Something tells me the issue here isn't an inability to do simple math.

Well, when you put it like that.....

[Jet23]

I still think that cap hit can be dealt with if we had somebody outside the Brown clan running the cap. Somebody who passed math in high school, for instance.

The same Mike Brown who voted against a CBA that didn't make financial sense for the owners?

Yeah, Mike's a real visionary. You're talking about a guy who has never voted for a school levy in his life. If it means taking one penny out of his pocket, his vote is no. It certainly doesn't make him a genius...

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I still think that cap hit can be dealt with if we had somebody outside the Brown clan running the cap. Somebody who passed math in high school, for instance.

Are we talking about the same Mike Brown who negotiated a lease so one-sided it makes babies cry? The same Mike Brown who beat the IRS in open court...prompting them to later rewrite the tax code loopholes that Mike Brown had driven a Chevy Lumina through? The same Mike Brown who voted against a CBA that didn't make financial sense for the owners?

Something tells me the issue here isn't an inability to do simple math.

I can't understand you when you talk with your mouth full...

In any event, if your assertion is correct, then that cap hit shouldn't be an impediment as claimed. At that point Mikey's simply being disingeniously cheap (shock there) when we get word through his lackey Hobson that the cap hit prevents moving Chad.

So basically, we can work around the cap hit. So either the Bengals can't manage the cap or they're lying because they're cheap. You pick.

[HairOnFire]

In any event, if your assertion is correct, then that cap hit shouldn't be an impediment as claimed.

And if your assertation was correct Mike Brown wouldn't be able to count the money he steals from the mouths of the noble poor....let alone understand complex lease agreements, tax laws, or labor agreements. But he very clearly does understand those things so your point was either a bad joke or just the latest stupid thing to fall from your own very full mouth.

Frankly, it's not that difficult to figure out the issue isn't an inability to do something, but rather....a refusal to do something they don't want to do. And not only don't they want to take a cap hit that only an idiot would think wasn't a substantial obstacle...they won't be forced into doing things against their will by a player whose only leverage is based on his long history of erratic unprofessional behavior.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Frankly, it's not that difficult to figure out the issue isn't an inability to do something, but rather....a refusal to do something they don't want to do.

Then don't use the cap hit as an excuse. If you're right, then the cap hit could be $1.75 and they still shouldn't give in. But what does it matter? It's not like some future assclown is going to learn from the example the Bengals set with Chad any more than he did from Pickens or Dillon or whoever.

Seems smart business to get 90 cents on the dollar for Chad now (if they can) rather than 30 cents on the dollar next year. Otherwise, as a wise man named Marcellus Wallace once said, "That's pride f***ing witcha. F*** pride."

At best, you've added hubris to the list of reasons for not dumping Chad that previously included stupidity and cheapness. Inasmuch as you've dumped on Chad in other threads, I'm sure you're not going to make the case that he's likely to be a benefit ot the team next year, so getting rid of him and getting something back would seem to be the intelligent move.

Of course, now I discover that Cheech's days in the NFL may be over, so what the hell. We may be stuck with the a$$hole.

[HairOnFire]

Frankly, it's not that difficult to figure out the issue isn't an inability to do something, but rather....a refusal to do something they don't want to do.

Then don't use the cap hit as an excuse.

A cap hit of 8.5 million isn't an excuse. It practically defines why the don't want to do the very thing you claim they can't do. Granted, there may be other reasons the Bengals are digging in, including a desire, misplaced or not, to keep Chad's production. But I've got very little doubt that 8.5 million tops their list.

If you're right, then the cap hit could be $1.75 and they still shouldn't give in.

Don't put words in my mouth. If the cap hit was just 1.75 million I'm betting Chad Johnson would now be on our television screens modeling another teams cap and uniform, and we fans would be scrambling to project which WR's might be available with the Bengals just added draft pick.

Inasmuch as you've dumped on Chad in other threads, I'm sure you're not going to make the case that he's likely to be a benefit ot the team next year, so getting rid of him and getting something back would seem to be the intelligent move.

I've already said I want Chad Johnson off this team ASAP, and that opinion hasn't changed. But I think you have to define when ASAP might be, and to do that you've got to weigh salary cap issues, if there's an adequate replacement on the roster, how the move impacts all of the other moves you've planned, et cetera.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

A cap hit of 8.5 million isn't an excuse....I've got very little doubt that 8.5 million tops their list.

If the cap hit was just 1.75 million I'm betting Chad Johnson would now be on our television screens modeling another teams cap and uniform, and we fans would be scrambling to project which WR's might be available with the Bengals just added draft pick.

Wow, that was a fast flip-flop even for you. So are the Bengals keeping Chad:

1) out of principle, spiting themselves in the processs;

2) because they're foolish enough to think he'll benefit the team next year;

3) because they can't figure out how to manage the cap, or

4) because they're cheap

There's only one answer. Pick one and stick with it.

I've already said I want Chad Johnson off this team ASAP, and that opinion hasn't changed. But I think you have to define when ASAP might be, and to do that you've got to weigh salary cap issues, if there's an adequate replacement on the roster, how the move impacts all of the other moves you've planned, et cetera.

Well, sure, DumbF*ck Henry getting cut makes your argument a lot easier now, that's for certain. At this point Chad's not going anywhere unless we get an OK receiver in return. If Jerry Jones does have feelings for Chad, then I'd try to pry Patrick Crayton and a first-day pick from him.

[bengalsfansince68]

So are the Bengals keeping Chad:

1) out of principle, spiting themselves in the processs;

2) because they're foolish enough to think he'll benefit the team next year;

3) because they can't figure out how to manage the cap, or

4) because they're cheap

There's only one answer. Pick one and stick with it.

I'd say the reason is that the owners are long past due to stand up to these punks and make them honor the contract that they signed.

Chad if you want to go play in the Arena League, well, too bad, your contract forbids you from signing with another pro football team. Shut the phuck up and play football or spend the next several years squandering the money that you have now and then go back to the ghetto of your choice. Take Chris Henry with you.

PUNK

[HairOnFire]

There's only one answer. Pick one and stick with it.

Fair enough. I pick the one that says you're deliberately being an asshat.

Well, either that or you really are too stupid to understand the difference between a very real 8.5 million dollar cap hit and the mythical 1.75 million dollar hit that you keep fantasizing about when debating the merits of imaginary trades.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

There's only one answer. Pick one and stick with it.

Fair enough. I pick the one that says you're deliberately being an asshat.

Well, either that or you really are too stupid to understand the difference between a very real 8.5 million dollar cap hit and the mythical 1.75 million dollar hit that you keep fantasizing about when debating the merits of imaginary trades.

Actually, I said $1.75 as in, a dollar and seventy five cents. For purely hyperbolic purposes.

My claim is that many teams deal with such cap hits all the time if they have competent professionals running it, and you're playing Twister to defend your hero and idol Mike Brown's stance on it. So like I said, pick a story and stick with it.

[COB]

Chad if you want to go play in the Arena League,

Chad would have to play defense in the Arena League. The very thought of contact gives him the the vapors, so that ain't happenin'.

[HairOnFire]

Actually, I said $1.75 as in, a dollar and seventy five cents. For purely hyperbolic purposes.

I often marvel at the lengths some of you will go to make a strawman argument. Where's the merit in making a point that I so unrealistic it lacks meaning? And for that matter your entire rant is nothing but hyperbole....starting with Mike Brown couldn't pass a high school math test, and then dismissing an 8.5 million dollar cap hit as if it were no more than pocket change.

So what's next? I'm guessing your next strawman will relate to some fantasy trade that nets the Bengals a staggering amount of imaginary draft picks....but mean old Mike Brown refuses to accept the bounty because he's too damn cheap to pay the rookies.

....you're playing Twister to defend your hero and idol Mike Brown's stance on it.

Hardly. I'm simply not stupid enough to think an 8.5 million dollar cap hit isn't a major obstacle. Nor am I impressed by meaningless statements that the cap hit could be absorbed if the team was willing OR should be absorbed under any circumstance.

So like I said, pick a story and stick with it.

Well pay attention because I did pick an option. I picked the one that said you were deliberately being an asshat. And you quickly responded by admitting a portion of your rant was based in meaningless hyperbole.

All things considered I think I made the right choice.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Hardly. I'm simply not stupid enough to think an 8.5 million dollar cap hit isn't a major obstacle. Nor am I impressed by meaningless statements that the cap hit could be absorbed if the team was willing OR should be absorbed under any circumstance.

Could and should are two different things. Are you claiming no team has ever dealt with such a cap hit? If so, it shouldn't take long to prove you wrong. As to should - are you claiming it's principles, or cheapness? Because as I've mentioned, their principled stances on other guys have never gotten them anywhere. Would you rather win or have the satisfaction of seeing Chad sulk all year? That's how a child acts, not a successful businessman.

Well pay attention because I did pick an option. I picked the one that said you were deliberately being an asshat. And you quickly responded by admitting a portion of your rant was based in meaningless hyperbole.

Nice, weasel out with the ad hominem attack like usual when you're cornered. I still want to know - minus Cheech getting arrested again (since this thread started before that), why can't the Bengals trade Chad? Cap hit, principles, cheapness, or incompetence? Because you've danced all over the place (sometimes in the same post) to avoid taking an actual stance on that particular issue, claiming either of the first two when it's suited your argument.

As to deliberately being an asshat, you're the resident champ.

[HairOnFire]

Are you claiming no team has ever dealt with such a cap hit? If so, it shouldn't take long to prove you wrong.

No, I haven't said that and any attempt to prove that point would be little more than another example of you knocking down your own pointless strawman arguments.

Would you rather win or have the satisfaction of seeing Chad sulk all year? That's how a child acts, not a successful businessman.

Are you stating flatly the Bengals will win this season if they trade Chad Johnson? Or is this just another one of your "what if" flights of fantasy?

Nice, weasel out with the ad hominem attack like usual when you're cornered.

There's nothing to weasle out of. You've already admitted your rant is an empty fantasy built on hyperbole. So how can you claim to have cornered someone when all you're talking about is nothing but woulda shoulda couldas?

I still want to know - minus Cheech getting arrested again (since this thread started before that), why can't the Bengals trade Chad? Cap hit, principles, cheapness, or incompetence?

How about the same combination of cap hit, dead money, reduced production, lack of suitable replacements, need to cut other players to create cap space, and unwanted need to change draft priorities that I've already mentioned several times? Granted, these are all things you seem too stupid to comprehend, but I guess that's your problem. After all, you're the one that has me trapped in an imaginary corner.

Because you've danced all over the place (sometimes in the same post) to avoid taking an actual stance on that particular issue, claiming either of the first two when it's suited your argument.

I've answered your silly demand several times. If you don't like my answers then perhaps you should limit your discusions with posters who appreciate your make believe fantasies, strawman arguments, and stupid claims about millionaires being unable to pass a high school math class better than I do.

As to deliberately being an asshat, you're the resident champ.

I guess that's an impressive comeback for the likes of you.