kevnz Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 To help the NBA game, they need to either get rid of the three point line or move it in. The reason NBA games have become unwatchable is because so few players are able to hit a normal jump shot. Perhaps, if the line was moved in, we would at least have fewer misses from three point land. NONONONOTeach the flippin showboaters how to shoot, not make it easier for them to suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Teach 'em how to shoot. That's exactly what's necessary. Some time ago (back during March madness), I was watching a tourney game from the early 80s on ESPN Classic. I was blown away by how good the jump shooting was. The great majority of what'd we'd now call mid-range jumpers were going in. And they were using glass... sweet glass.Anyway, it seems that everything is now about dunking and flash and sizzle. Either that or the "three-point specialist." The NBA (and college ball for that matter) need to get refocused on things like jump shooting and free throws. Moving the line isn't the answer. But I don't know what is other than installing a new breed of coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 But I don't know what is other than installing a new breed of coaches. Try a new breed of player. It ain't the coachs fault. I mean players are willing to strangle their coachs, or at least get them fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 That's why I miss players like Micheal Jordan! He could do both with expertise! Todays player seem to just wanna take it to the hole, slam it in someones face, hang from the rim for a couple of seconds, then mug to the crowd all the way back up the floor! Ugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 If I knew how to quote multiple sources I would, because you're both right. This explains the influx of foreign talent to the league and the reason why the USA might not win the gold medal at the olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardG Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Anyway, it seems that everything is now about dunking and flash and sizzle. Either that or the "three-point specialist." The NBA (and college ball for that matter) need to get refocused on things like jump shooting and free throws. Moving the line isn't the answer. But I don't know what is other than installing a new breed of coaches.Well, that's what I mean about moving the line in. No one is going to magically learn how to shoot, and that's because decent shooters are not important in today's game. In today's game, a coach either wants a high percentage shot (either a wide open jumper by a good shooter, or a shot close to the basket), or he wants the big-money shot - the three pointer. To run this system, you need great shooters who can hit an NBA three, or guys who can penetrate or post up. By moving the line in, you put more a premium on good shooters - guys who can hit jump shots, but not an NBA three. Thus, there will be more of a need to guard the guys on the perimeter, and the lanes should open up and lead to mores scoring. That was the reason they moved it in the first time, but I don't feel they moved it close enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Anyway, it seems that everything is now about dunking and flash and sizzle. Either that or the "three-point specialist." The NBA (and college ball for that matter) need to get refocused on things like jump shooting and free throws. Moving the line isn't the answer. But I don't know what is other than installing a new breed of coaches.Well, that's what I mean about moving the line in. No one is going to magically learn how to shoot, and that's because decent shooters are not important in today's game. In today's game, a coach either wants a high percentage shot (either a wide open jumper by a good shooter, or a shot close to the basket), or he wants the big-money shot - the three pointer. To run this system, you need great shooters who can hit an NBA three, or guys who can penetrate or post up. By moving the line in, you put more a premium on good shooters - guys who can hit jump shots, but not an NBA three. Thus, there will be more of a need to guard the guys on the perimeter, and the lanes should open up and lead to mores scoring. That was the reason they moved it in the first time, but I don't feel they moved it close enough. Actually EdG, the NBA rules committee is to blame, They took away several lane violations a couple of years ago, and basically took away the " illegal- defense " rule, in order to get scoring up. What happened was, teams had to protect the basket more, forcing more jump shots. - It was basically called the " Shaq-rule". Shaq became so dominant that he was basically guaranteed 40 a night if he wanted it, now you see him scoring around the low 20s' with about a dozen rebounds because more teams crash the boards now knowing O'Neil will pick up "cheap" fouls. - If they really want to improve the NBA game, then they'll have to require at least 2 years of college. Force highschoolers to at least get a Liberal Arts degree ( ) so they at least the college ranks for the Pros' as true " professionals ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardG Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I never liked the illegal defense rules - I always felt such rules cheapened the game. The rules were put into place to alleviate the situation I just mentioned - because teams had to play man to man, there was a premium on players who could break down their man and go to the basket, and not on spot up jump shooters. Scoring has gone down because there is still no premium on good jump shooters (at least by coaches), but it is far more difficult to break down your man as the team can play a zone behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 im not disagreeing with u billy, but they are gonna promote what they can, and the lakers are promotable. They try to build the NBA up but the east hasnt won a finals since jordan and wont until they get some centers over there. Hopefully Okafor goes to the east.If I were going to Vegas I'd take the odds with Detroit this year. I hope they win tonight. WOW! This is a game! They didn't win that one.The dollars I could have made The days newshttp://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/...ons-game5_x.htmNothing ventured, nothing lost. I hope I'm not jinxing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 someone musta had the pistons for a lot of dough...look at the reffing for godsake...sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverbengal Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 someone musta had the pistons for a lot of dough...look at the reffing for godsake...sheesh. I'm not ripping on you JD, but you sound exactly like my neighbor. He's a professional gambler. He's truly convinced that the outcomes of all sporting events are determined before they even start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 i dont agree with that but something aint right when we go to the hoop as much if not more than the pistons and we still outfoul them 2-1.And shaq getting 2 foul shots in game 3 and only 11 in game 4? Come on now...he shoulda had over 20 in game 4 alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 i dont agree with that but something aint right when we go to the hoop as much if not more than the pistons and we still outfoul them 2-1.And shaq getting 2 foul shots in game 3 and only 11 in game 4? Come on now...he shoulda had over 20 in game 4 alone. You know jditty, I was talking to a buddy here at work and he was saying that he believes the big dawgs in basketball (officials) forced the refs to call more fouls against the Lakers rather than for so the series goes back to LA because of the market value and the ratings value if this series ever picks up... I wonder.... BTW - Did you see Arnold talking about it on SportsCenter? He was on the podium and his first statements were something like, "California is in a major crisis today.. the lakers are down 3 games to 1." Pretty funny stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 You know jditty, I was talking to a buddy here at work and he was saying that he believes the big dawgs in basketball (officials) forced the refs to call more fouls against the Lakers rather than for so the series goes back to LA because of the market value and the ratings value if this series ever picks up... The league doesn't make any extra money for the games. In fact I'd say they make less money by having more than 4 games cause they are gonna get paid by the TV folk the same for 4 games that they get for 7... Yeah the people that run the arenas would get more money, but it's all about the TV ratings and then only for the next contract negotion for tv rights. for the NBA it's about the TV product, for the individual teams it's about the people in the building.But then I could be wrong about the specifics of the TV contracts.And Josh, really we don't need any more conspiracy theories, Chris has enough for all of us.But what does piss me off is the Lakers moaning about everything. Not one damn interview by a Laker said anything about Detroit beating them, it's we beat ourselves, the refs did this ....wa wa wa. Damn Having Magic Johnson call them out didn't even help...Hell at least he said that Detroit was beating the Lakers, not the Lakers beating the Lakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 I'm not sure about the finanical specifics about local markets in pro basketball, but I would like to know either way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 i dont agree with that but something aint right when we go to the hoop as much if not more than the pistons and we still outfoul them 2-1.And shaq getting 2 foul shots in game 3 and only 11 in game 4? Come on now...he shoulda had over 20 in game 4 alone. It's called they don't play defense. AND THEY'RE LETTING HIM SCORE. :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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