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[DDOGG]

With the Utecht signing thats yet another position we don't need to draft. There are several other positions we could do the same thing and then we wouldn't need to draft the position. Not having to draft a certain position is the best draft strategy we could imagine.

John Wade, Dwayne Robertson, Micheal Doss, Takeo Spikes,

What they are...C, DT, S, LB

Positions we should draft someone at no matter what: CB, OL

QB: No need

RB: Need consistency

FB: Need PS player

WR: Need leader, developmental guy/KR

TE: No Need

OL: Vet Center to compete, depth all around to get Kooistra off the team

DT: Playmaker

DE: Pass rusher in later rounds of draft if Pollack doesn't return

LB: Vet leadership

S: Vet

CB: Nickel back of the future.

[chrishcovga]

I'm not with that silliness ( best player available ) nonsense. Very rare does a team have " everything " so that they can just pick whomever they feel like.

I'm more of the conscious efforts of getting the best available player at a position of need. Priorities aside!

Our obvious needs this year are.....

- Defensive tackle. - We have to get somebody with pass rush skills, and the strength to hold up at the point of attack, to play next to Peko.There also is no real depth because of Mike Myers' age. We could spend two draft picks here and 3 draft picks for the defensive line all together. (2 picks)

- Outside/Inside Linebacker - The person doesn't have to be "all world" but a solid starter for depth and possibly to push Dhani Jones back to selling bow-ties. There will always be concerns about Pollack, and Thurman.(2 picks)

- Cornerback - Delth O'Neal is getting up there, and he's got bad knees. This is a very valuable pick here, and deserves attention in rounds 2 or 3 this year. - There is absolutely no depth behind Joseph,Hall,& O'Neal. Any injury of significant time would force us to play guys like the Jones' or that nutcase that kept getting personal foul calls against him. # 46.(1pick)

- Free Safety - I am very confident in Ndukwe, and I like Marvin White. I just don't think Marvin is a real Free Safety. He played Strong Safety at TCU, and I think the position could use some athletic depth that would do more than just play special teams. (1 pick)

-Defensive End - There is a lot of depth at tackle, and a couple of ends that reach into rounds 2 or 3 that I think could be immediate impact players. Bryan Robinson won't be back, so a guy that could switch between tackle or end would improve our depth and help for any long term injuries. I personally don't think Fanene is anything more than a player for the fieldgoal team.

If Lawrence Jackson is there at #46, or Calais Campbell falls all the way to #77, I say grab them. ( The word is out on exactly how long Phillip Merling will drop because of his "sports-hernia" surgery. It could rob him of his entire rookie year.)(1 pick)

- Offensive Guard/Tackle - I should be ashamed of myself for being optimistic, but I don't think this is a priority. However, let's say We did trade down to Dallas and got 22,& 28. I would jump on Branden Albert G/T, Virginia. He would immediately push Bobbie Williams, and should eventually move to left tackle. - I think it's obvious that Marvin will go for an interior lineman this year, because he called out Gut-check , I mean Ghiucic.(1 pick)

- Wide Receiver - Chad,Chad,Chad... blah blah blah.....I don't believe he's going anywhere this year. But we do need somebody that can push Chatman's injury prone self off the roster. I am laying even Odds that he doesn't make it out of training camp again !!! - Most importantly a proven college return specialist.(1- 2 picks)

- Running back. - What do I say here.... I don't like Perry, Rudi is getting beat up, Dorsey has great quickness and speed, but not an every down back. Watson is a jewel, but he's not a Bell cow.

* With all this being said, I'm not drafting a runningback this year. We'll start the season healthy at the offensive line, the blocking will be better, and the backs will be healthy again.

Rudi,Watson,Perry,Dorsey and Jeremi Johnson will be our 5 running backs this year. (0 -1)

[BengalszoneBilly]

- Offensive Guard/Tackle - I should be ashamed of myself for being optimistic, but I don't think this is a priority. However, let's say We did trade down to Dallas and got 22,& 28. I would jump on Branden Albert G/T, Virginia. He would immediately push Bobbie Williams, and should eventually move to left tackle. - I think it's obvious that Marvin will go for an interior lineman this year, because he called out Gut-check , I mean Ghiucic.(1 pick)

I beg to differ. It IS a priority. This current offensive line cannot open running lanes to save their life, and it showed last year. Build a good blocking line Chris, and either one of us could gain positive yards opposed to what happened last year with our backs being met in the backfield.

[icehole3]

I would send Mike Brown a christmas card if this happened, my new dream draft would be

1.Ellis DT USC

2.Pat Sims DT Aub

3a.Chris Johnson RB East Car

3b.Trevor Laws DT ND

4.Zbikowski SS ND

5.Branch CB UConn

6a.Sullivan C ND

6b.Barton OT OSU

7a.Robinson WR UtahST

7b.Douglass WR Lou (or Craig DE UC)

[redsbengalsbucks]

Needs are

starting DT

Backup OL/C

Backup LB

Backup CB

Young WR with some upside as a returner/STeamer

I think Safety is pretty solid with Kilmer coming back, he did show the ability to play some CB his rookie season also.

RB is a loaded position this season already: Watson, Rudi, Perry, Dorsey and Irons someone will get picked off the practice squad as is, why add another name unless you are positive of an upgrade(which Irons would have been last year if healthy). I cant see wasting a first round pick on the RB position, for minimal returns.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Needs are

starting DT

Backup OL/C

Backup LB

Backup CB

Young WR with some upside as a returner/STeamer

I think Safety is pretty solid with Kilmer coming back, he did show the ability to play some CB his rookie season also.

RB is a loaded position this season already: Watson, Rudi, Perry, Dorsey and Irons someone will get picked off the practice squad as is, why add another name unless you are positive of an upgrade(which Irons would have been last year if healthy). I cant see wasting a first round pick on the RB position, for minimal returns.

You're needs are my needs.

[chrishcovga]

- Offensive Guard/Tackle - I should be ashamed of myself for being optimistic, but I don't think this is a priority. However, let's say We did trade down to Dallas and got 22,& 28. I would jump on Branden Albert G/T, Virginia. He would immediately push Bobbie Williams, and should eventually move to left tackle. - I think it's obvious that Marvin will go for an interior lineman this year, because he called out Gut-check , I mean Ghiucic.(1 pick)

I beg to differ. It IS a priority. This current offensive line cannot open running lanes to save their life, and it showed last year. Build a good blocking line Chris, and either one of us could gain positive yards opposed to what happened last year with our backs being met in the backfield.

I think the biggest problem were the injuries. Coming out of training camp we had like 23 guys that could have missed significant time , half of the offensive line went into the start of the season with some type of nick. I think that was the biggest problem.

- Like I said, it's not that i'm opposed to drafting an offensive lineman, I would prefer to get some more "Stacey Andrews" types that can fill several spots.

- Despite all the running game problems, the offensive line performed great in pass protection. Sounds to me like our offensive line could stand up, but not push off , hence the running game suffered. Let's get some healthy legs. But like I said, Branden Albert, or Cody Wallace, I could see them playing several spots and providing immediate depth.

[BengalszoneBilly]

- Offensive Guard/Tackle - I should be ashamed of myself for being optimistic, but I don't think this is a priority. However, let's say We did trade down to Dallas and got 22,& 28. I would jump on Branden Albert G/T, Virginia. He would immediately push Bobbie Williams, and should eventually move to left tackle. - I think it's obvious that Marvin will go for an interior lineman this year, because he called out Gut-check , I mean Ghiucic.(1 pick)

I beg to differ. It IS a priority. This current offensive line cannot open running lanes to save their life, and it showed last year. Build a good blocking line Chris, and either one of us could gain positive yards opposed to what happened last year with our backs being met in the backfield.

I think the biggest problem were the injuries. Coming out of training camp we had like 23 guys that could have missed significant time , half of the offensive line went into the start of the season with some type of nick. I think that was the biggest problem.

- Like I said, it's not that i'm opposed to drafting an offensive lineman, I would prefer to get some more "Stacey Andrews" types that can fill several spots.

- Despite all the running game problems, the offensive line performed great in pass protection. Sounds to me like our offensive line could stand up, but not push off , hence the running game suffered. Let's get some healthy legs. But like I said, Branden Albert, or Cody Wallace, I could see them playing several spots and providing immediate depth.

I'll except that from the Guru. I sincerely hope you're right.

[Thurmanation]

I would send Mike Brown a christmas card if this happened, my new dream draft would be

1.Ellis DT USC

2.Pat Sims DT Aub

3a.Chris Johnson RB East Car

3b.Trevor Laws DT ND

4.Zbikowski SS ND

5.Branch CB UConn

6a.Sullivan C ND

6b.Barton OT OSU

7a.Robinson WR UtahST

7b.Douglass WR Lou (or Craig DE UC)

My only beef with this is please keep the second round for a OG/T no need for another DT in the second, by that time only mediocre DT's will be left and we need not waste this pick.

PS: i think PSims is COMPLETELY over rated..

[GregCook]

Its absurd to pencil in names by draft rounds, its unlikely even Ellis will be available at #9 for their 1st pick. The Bengals have lots of needs that require 1st & 2ed round talent. Going after BPA is still wise given their needs. I'll list them in no order of preference:

OT

Safety, either kind

DT

RB

WR

LB

There will be someone available at #9 that is a true stud, a true game changing player for one of those positions. Likely there will be at least 3 players like that. I do have confidence in Marvin and Brown to pick one of those studs.

Our Oline is getting old boys and girls. Willie is 33, Williams is 32. Stacy is UFA next season. Levi has a gimp leg. An OT must be a high priority.

Safety, we lost Madieu a versatile guy, Ndukwe is inexperienced as is White and Jackson is very inconsistent. But I don't see a stud at #9.

DT. Too obvious to discuss anymore

RB. Rudi is 29 and has two years of diminishing productivity. We need another big boy and Mendenhall, Stewart and McFadden are studs and game changers. Remember both Perry and Irons were drafted mainly as 3rd down backs, not between the tackle like Rudi. We need a Rudi replacement this year.

WR. Chad and TJ are 30 and 31. TJ plays the slot and takes a pounding. Chad wants out. Henry is still unreliable. I see WR as a 2ed round pick, not 1st round.

LB. Brooks is injury prone so far and unproven after 2 seasons. Odell has to stay in the league for 1 more season before I'd count on that guy. Dhani Jones is very temporary at outside. Jeanty I like quite a bit. Landon played well and will be missed.

So I expect our Bengals to take their #1 pick from either OT, DT or RB, just depends on what the other 8 teams do. In round 2, keep going after BPA with the above needs in mind. In round 3, keep going after BPA with these needs in mind. After round 3, just go BPA.

[chrishcovga]

Its absurd to pencil in names by draft rounds, its unlikely even Ellis will be available at #9 for their 1st pick. The Bengals have lots of needs that require 1st & 2ed round talent. Going after BPA is still wise given their needs. I'll list them in no order of preference:

OT

Safety, either kind

DT

RB

WR

LB

There will be someone available at #9 that is a true stud, a true game changing player for one of those positions. Likely there will be at least 3 players like that. I do have confidence in Marvin and Brown to pick one of those studs.

Our Oline is getting old boys and girls. Willie is 33, Williams is 32. Stacy is UFA next season. Levi has a gimp leg. An OT must be a high priority.

Safety, we lost Madieu a versatile guy, Ndukwe is inexperienced as is White and Jackson is very inconsistent. But I don't see a stud at #9.

DT. Too obvious to discuss anymore

RB. Rudi is 29 and has two years of diminishing productivity. We need another big boy and Mendenhall, Stewart and McFadden are studs and game changers. Remember both Perry and Irons were drafted mainly as 3rd down backs, not between the tackle like Rudi. We need a Rudi replacement this year.

WR. Chad and TJ are 30 and 31. TJ plays the slot and takes a pounding. Chad wants out. Henry is still unreliable. I see WR as a 2ed round pick, not 1st round.

LB. Brooks is injury prone so far and unproven after 2 seasons. Odell has to stay in the league for 1 more season before I'd count on that guy. Dhani Jones is very temporary at outside. Jeanty I like quite a bit. Landon played well and will be missed.

So I expect our Bengals to take their #1 pick from either OT, DT or RB, just depends on what the other 8 teams do. In round 2, keep going after BPA with the above needs in mind. In round 3, keep going after BPA with these needs in mind. After round 3, just go BPA.

I agree with just about everything you've said, but we won't be able to logically fix all of these problems in one draft. In this scenario, the only way to truly add the players necessary to fix all the holes is to forego the best player available at #9 !

- To Get the Wide receiver, running back, Offensive tackle, Defensive Tackle, Linebacker and Safety depth, we need more than just 1 first,1 second,and possibly 2 thirds ??

- Ok, so here's what we do. Trade down at least twice in round 1, Even if we make the deal with Dallas , we still trade one of those first round picks to add additional second and third round picks.

This way, we grab a linebacker,safety,or wide receiver in round 1 since the draft is weakest here.

- grab a defensive end and defensive tackle in round 2.

- grab an offensive lineman and a cornerback in round 3.

rounds 4 - 7?? grab a runningback, another linebacker, a return specialist in the later rounds based upon the best player available.

Hell why not throw caution to the wind.... Trade Rudi to the Panthers for a 2nd round pick ??

- Trade Chad to the Cowboys for a 1st and 3rd ???

Now all we have to do is draft 1700 yards of offense and 20 touchdowns to replace them

[sparky151]

Rudi has no trade value. He'll be lucky to not be released. Chad has trade value but we shouldn't trade him for less than he's worth.

My hope is for a DT in the first, probably a RB in the second, with a WR and OG in the third. If a good LB falls, he could fit in after the first round.

Ideal would be Ellis, Felix Jones, Doucet, and McGlynn. If Brazell is healthy, we might be able to forgo the WR pick in favor of a pure PR/KR type. Maybe Avery.

[Dadraftnick]

DT- they have need one for a while

ORT- Willie's replacement

RB- I agree the Bengals need help I just hope they keep Dee Dee Dorsey and give him a chance to start

C-Ghiciuac sucks and is the main problem with the offense,we can do better

DE- we still need another pass rusher even with Odoms on the team

WR-one tall 6'2 plus WR with good hands

CB- there are some good CB's in the draft and it is as deep as 6 to 7 rnds

LB- I would look at some small school DE's with speed to convert something that other teams do all the time

WR- a smaller 5'10 to 6'1 fast WR

S- a back up S that can play special teams

KR somewhere out of these picks they have to find someone to return kicks and punts or draft one.