rwalling Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Just hypothetically...1) Chad wants to go to Miami2) The Tuna knows how to deal with egomaniacal WRs (see TO and Keyshawn)3) Same said Tuna needs a splashier (pun intended) first pick than Dorsey4) Bengals need a stud DT difference makerCould we dangle Chad and our first for a shot a Dorsey? Would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I must have missed the part where Parcells did a good job handling Terrell Owens. It seemed to me like it was exactly the opposite. Besides, Parcells is not coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Also, if we trade Chad, whatever draft pick we get in return we will just have to use to draft his replacement since WR would then become even more of a glaring need than DT so we wouldn't be able to draft Dorsey anyway. The whole thing makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 #1 pick Dorsey and #9 pick DeSean Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Also, if we trade Chad, whatever draft pick we get in return we will just have to use to draft his replacement since WR would then become even more of a glaring need than DT so we wouldn't be able to draft Dorsey anyway. The whole thing makes no sense.I think the idea is that we'd have the value of the #1 overall pick, not that we'd exercise it as opposed to flipping it again.The real problem is how bloated the value of the #1 overall pick has gotten lately, and there's no real 'holy crap, we have to get that guy' kind of player at the #1 spot. If I thought I could then flip the #1 pick for a top-10 pick and a second rounder (wherever that lines up on the pick trade chart) I'd do it in a second. That would give the Bengals two firsts and two seconds.I think it's moot, as we won't get the #1 pick for Chad. But if someone offered the #10, heck I'd still take that. Compared to a guy that clearly doesn't want to play for you, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I think it's moot, as we won't get the #1 pick for Chad. But if someone offered the #10, heck I'd still take that.You'd "still take it"???? :lmao: C'mon, cut it out! You guys are killin' me here!The 10th overall for Chad... :lmao: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I think it's moot, as we won't get the #1 pick for Chad. But if someone offered the #10, heck I'd still take that.You'd "still take it"???? :lmao: C'mon, cut it out! You guys are killin' me here!The 10th overall for Chad... :lmao: Allright smart guy, if you're going to cast aspersions on my offer, you have to make your own. What's the least you'd accept, and what's the most you think someone would give? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Allright smart guy, if you're going to cast aspersions on my offer, you have to make your own. What's the least you'd accept, and what's the most you think someone would give?Oh, don't get me wrong, if someone offered the 10th overall, I'd hand over rights to Chad and run away cackling like a crazy man. But no one is going to do that. I think the idea some team would give any first round pick at all is nuts. And I certainly wouldn't even consider trading him for anything less, and might not even then depending on what's left at wideout on the board. (Basically, if DeSean Jackson is gone, forget it.)Why not? Simple: who da fugg is going to replace him? We couldn't replace Chris Henry for the first half of last season, now the Bengals are to be expected to replace their No. 1? Well, good luck with that. Also, there's the fact that at any given moment Henry could get cited for littering and suspended for life, and our No. 2 is a UFA after this season. Our whole O is built on our $100 million QB's arm, thanks to injuries and RB and the habitual lack of receiving options at TE, he already doesn't have much to throw to -- yet now the cry is to throw Chad overboard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Help me out here. Mort gives the report that throws Chad into a tizzy that continues to this very day. So who was sharing the stage with Mort when he popped off? Parcells and Ditka, right? And both of them said that you can't have a player like Chad on your team. So what am I missing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Help me out here.Always glad to, you know that.Mort gives the report that throws Chad into a tizzy that continues to this very day.Uh-huh...So who was sharing the stage with Mort when he popped off?I dunno, but I'm sure you're going to tell me...Parcells and Ditka, right?I'll take your word for it.And both of them said that you can't have a player like Chad on your team.So?So what am I missing here?Offhand, I'd say a good stiff drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 The one dumb thing Chad's doing is that parading himself around is killing his trade value. Absent that, if Deion Branch is worth a first, and Wes Welker and Chris Chambers going for second round picks each, I mean come on.I mean, surely to hell if those guys are worth that then Chad's worth better than 20th overall?? As pointed out he's got a couple of years left on his contract and it's not a bad one.If I'm the Bengals imaginary GM and somebody comes at me with less than a 1st round pick, I laugh them off the phone. I don't see getting above a 10th though, not because he isn't worth it but because I just don't see that trade happening. So it seems to me his value should be between 10 and 20, at worst, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 The one dumb thing Chad's doing is that parading himself around is killing his trade value. Absent that, if Deion Branch is worth a first, and Wes Welker and Chris Chambers going for second round picks each, I mean come on.Come on what? Branch was 26 and coming off an SB MVP award. Welker was a 25-year-old standout. Even Chambers has 7 months on Chad. Chad will be on the downside of 30 when the season starts. Maybe you get a second if some team thinks Chad is the missing piece, but even then I doubt it. And I've already said that I, at least, don't do it for a 2.So it seems to me his value should be between 10 and 20, at worst, right?You are just killin' me here...never. gonna. happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Chad hasn't demanded a trade so far. He's just auditioning for ESPN to show what a great entertainer he is. He'll have to piss on the holiest of holies to get traded. For instance trash CP's intelligence or question his manhood to name just two. Chad will return to the islands once Sunday is over and we'll go at least a month before hearing from him again. Chad knows how to poison the atmosphere, after all Cory Dillon gave him a PhD course on how to. When Chad gets serious about leaving town, he'll go the Dillon way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Come on what? Branch was 26 and coming off an SB MVP award. Welker was a 25-year-old standout. Even Chambers has 7 months on Chad. Chad will be on the downside of 30 when the season starts. Maybe you get a second if some team thinks Chad is the missing piece, but even then I doubt it. And I've already said that I, at least, don't do it for a 2.Chambers is about the same age as Chad, but you're forgetting something important: he sucks. Even Welker is a classic Alvin Harper second banana. Chad is much better than either of them by far. Even Branch - when he was traded, he hadn't accomplished anything near what Chad had.I don't think the Dolphins would do the deal because it makes more sense for a contender to make the deal. Some situation where a contender needs the final piece. I can't believe some team like that wouldn't give a first, at least in the second half of the draft, if they'll give seconds for Chris freaking Chambers.I agree, obviously, that a second isn't worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Chambers is about the same age as Chad, but you're forgetting something important: he sucks. Did you have a stroke? Chambers isn't as good as Chad, but saying he sucks is ridiculous. While his numbers eroded in Miami due to their QB situation, he's already paid immediate dividends for the Chargers, and he instantly became their best wideout the moment he stepped on the field. He also gives their offense more balance, and the Chargers are thrilled with the trade. In fact, it's fair to say they feel they got a bargain by landing Chambers with just a 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupdayta Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 You are all insane. #$%#%^ no way would I want that trade. Chad Johnson is one of the BEST WRs in the NFL. Why do you think Carson Palmer looks so good? Have you forgotten that Chad/TJ are the second best WR tandem statistically in the NFL? Do you really trust Cheech to step into the starting role? You whiny little bastards must meet on the weekends for a knitting circle so you can ^*#$( and moan about something. You are creating problems where there are none. Bengals fans aren't happy unless they have someone to scapegoat. How quickly you all have turned from loving the antics of our most visible player. Yes, he had a "bad" season I guess despite finishing 3rd in the NFL for receiving yards. Do you hear me? 3rd in the NFL for receiving yards, and that is a bad year for him. When a star player on your team has an off-year, you should rally behind him, help him with fan support. Yet you chumps want to cannibalize and handicap our offense. Do I wish he would tone it down and give a little more effort on rout-running/hands? Yes, absolutely yes. But he is still a top-5 receiver in this league and he is not Terrell Owens. Lobbying for the trade of Chad Johnson is idiotic. Ask yourself: are you an idiot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I have no doubt there would be teams interested in Chad were the bungles to make him available (Seattle?)A team picking in the back 3rd of the first round of the draft might even offer their 1st round pick for him. However, as we’ve already discussed ad nauseam SoP is not going to eat the 4.5mil accelerated signing bonus money just to get rid of Mr. grumpy pants.However, if Chad/Rosenhaus would agree to renegotiate his current contract so that the cap hit would be eliminated or at worst minimalized, then a trade such as the one I’m suggesting could be made possible.Of course there would be three different parties to this renegotiation, the bungles, Chad/Rosenhaus and the team we’d be trading him to. After all, they’re going to be stuck with this new contract after he’s dealt. Not an easy task I’ll freely admit but not an impossible one either.Let’s face it people, stranger things have happened with our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalChamps Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Chad needs Carson more than the other way around. Carson will be fine without Chad. Losing Barber and Shockey didnt seem to hurt the Giants much. WE NEED A DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chad's yardage mean little to win/loss column. That may be hard for some to acknowledge. If were gonna make the playoffs we need A DEFENSE and a RUNNING GAME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 If were gonna make the playoffs we need A DEFENSE and a RUNNING GAME.If Cincinnati drafts some real linemen on both sides of the ball, that just may well happen Champs. The skill players are in place. All they need is the big men to win the war on the LOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwalling Posted February 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 I still think that if a deal like Chad and our 1st for their 1st and 3rd came around, I'd be really tempted to take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrod382 Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 That would be horrendous and unlikely.Reasons...A. There's no value at #1 this year.B. The cap would get DESTROYED by this trade (CJ's hit then paying #1 overall money)C. Brown isn't going to dish out the cash.Now... I'm thinking #20 or #21 (Tampa and Washington), those seem like decent trading partners and you know the Redskins wouldn't flinch to trade a draft pick for a veteran.Then go DL/LB/WR with the 1st rounders and 2nd round, that'd net some quality players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Now... I'm thinking #20 or #21 (Tampa and Washington), those seem like decent trading partners and you know the Redskins wouldn't flinch to trade a draft pick for a veteran. Hmmmm, written on February 4th. Scooping the big boys by a full week. (Tears open envelope) And the Jimmie Olsen Award for Investigative Journalism goes to........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 You know, Dorsey hasn't done anything, good or bad, since the BCS bowl game - where he played well, but didn't star. If he listens to his agent or whomever, and refuses to participate at the Combine, he will definitely lose value.I don't see the top 2 picks (Miami, Rams) paying that kind of money to a DT - not after the PR storm Houston went through for super-Mario.Atlanta needs someone with star power (Ryan, McFadden).Oakland needs a DT, but Al Davis has NEVER picked DL in the top half of round 1KC either gets an O-lineman, or gives up the '08 season.The remaining teams (Jets, Pats, Ratbirds) all play a 3-4. Dorsey is an under-tackle - not fast enough for DE or big enough for NT in the 3-4With the 9th pick of the draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select: Glenn Dorsey, Defensive Tackle, LSU !!! See....good things come to those who wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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