Would anyone be happy with McFadden

[sparky151]

Not me, I dont want another RB on the team, we will be releasing a couple of RB's during training camp already.

Yes, I hope we let Rudi and Perry go. McFadden is a lot better however than Irons or Watson or Dorsey. He would bring something to the table and the draft isn't the only way to upgrade the D.

[sparky151]

Is there anyone else out there that believes we should rebuild or D-line and reconfigure our O-line? If we do that we could possibly improve on running the ball and stopping the run.

I just don't see where taking even a stud running back is going to stop opposing offenses from keeping the time of posession and scoring on us at will. Can't use your stud RB if our defense can't get off the field.

Begin to upgrade both lines starting this draft. We have the picks to do it. THEN once that's improved we can grab the NEXT badass RB that comes around.

If now's not the time to grab a good DT in the draft when is? When we draft #1 again?

We certainly need to improve the D-line. I'm just saying that there are FA options plus 2nd and 3rd round options too. Sedrick Ellis would be fine with me but we don't have to go DT in the first.

[cincyhokie]

Is there anyone else out there that believes we should rebuild or D-line and reconfigure our O-line? If we do that we could possibly improve on running the ball and stopping the run.

I just don't see where taking even a stud running back is going to stop opposing offenses from keeping the time of posession and scoring on us at will. Can't use your stud RB if our defense can't get off the field.

Begin to upgrade both lines starting this draft. We have the picks to do it. THEN once that's improved we can grab the NEXT badass RB that comes around.

If now's not the time to grab a good DT in the draft when is? When we draft #1 again?

We certainly need to improve the D-line. I'm just saying that there are FA options plus 2nd and 3rd round options too. Sedrick Ellis would be fine with me but we don't have to go DT in the first.

I see your point...but I am also going with the assumption that the Bengals will not land a free agent DT with the same talent level of one they could get with the 9th pick.

[duus]

The leading rushers for the winning teams of last weekends playoff games:

Jacksonville - Garrard, 58 yards

San Diego - Tomlinson, 42 yards

New York - Bradshaw, 66 yards

Seattle - Alexander, 46 yards

The league is changing. Forget the high first round running back, the ok running back will do the job. If Fred Taylor, LaDanian Tomlinson, and Shaun Alexander can't break 50 yards in the playoffs in games their teams win, I'm starting to question all my beliefs about the running game.

About 3 months ago, I made a comment to a friend of mine that times are a changing in the NFL. I predicted to him that the old playoff mantra of 'run the ball and stop the run' may have run its course. You don't think teams will begin trying to mimic the Patriot model? And the Patriots are doing nothing more than mimic the Colts and late 90s Rams, only to a more extreme. Sure, they have the players, but teams will try. What does this really mean? Especially to the Bengals? In my opinion, it means that stopping the pass will likely be more critical than stopping the run on defense. This could spell good things to a team that has spent the last 2 first round picks on corners. Don't get me wrong ... I'm not suggesting the run goes away, etc, etc, etc. What I am suggesting is that the passing attack, and variations on the west coast offense are becoming more and more used. As Belichick said one time, (paraphrase) "why continue to run into a brick wall?" He was just the first to have the guts to try it. The Packers pretty much were forced into a similar attack, as were the Seahawks. All successful this year. Heck, oddly enough the Colts are probably more balanced than most of the great teams right now. Even the Jaguars are not that great run-stuffing team you used to see. They are more middle of the road against both the pass and run. That's what we need ... just a middle of the road run stopping team. Add that to our young corners, and our offensive players, and I think you have a winner.

[Kazkal]

For Mcfadden Yes I would,Anyone else I'd pass and go D like ellis or VG.

PS,I do agree our Oline needs to be upgraded for run game too and I'm fine with a backfield of Kenny,Kenny & Dede or perry.

But I'd be more then happy if we passed on him for D.

[kenyon1977]

Hindsight is always 20/20. There's no way to compare moving down and not taking S. Jackson. Moving down for a team that really needs help at RB and is NOT in our division could be a smart move depending on how many spots and if we have someone in our sights. From what I understand we only have one scout anyways so were do the Bengals get their info??? The internet? Watching the combine on NFL network, well that's only if Mike Brown would splurge for Direct TV.

If they took him I wouldn't cry about it. I hate Chris Perry as much as I do Sapp, (some of you know how much that is). He sucks!!! Waste of money. If they want to pay someone to work out hell I can do that. I have more personality than him and might be able to sell more tickets than him.

Irons got hurt already. I would not pay him until he played a full season. Get hurt again and see you later buddy don't need another Kijana Carter or Chris Perry to waste money on.

Rudi seems to be hitting the downward side of his career. Keep him as a 4th down back. Yes 4th down and 1 and that's it. I hated watching the offense this year knowing that if Watson was in then it was a pass and if Rudi was in it was a run for the most part.

Clear up the roster spots for more LB's just in case next year is like this past year.

[kingwilly]

Ok, I envision this scenario.

1 Miami Glenn Dorsey DT LSU

2 St. Louis Jake Long OT Michigan

3F Oakland Chris Long DE Virginia...maybe McFadden

4F Atlanta Matt Ryan QB Boston College...maybe McFadden

5F Kansas City Brian Brohm QB Louisville

6 New York Jets Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State...maybe McFadden

7 New England (from San Francisco) *Ryan Clady OT Boise State

8 Baltimore James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State

if McFadden does not go to OAK, KC or NYJ then we should trade out of 9. Right behind us, there is crazy need for RB's...DEN, CAR, DET, HOU, even CHI.

It is more valueable to get another r3 or an r4+r6/7 and move into the 12, 13, 14, 18 slot and get a Ghoulston/Rivers/Cambell

If we stay at 9, then...

9 Cincinnati Sedric Ellis DT Southern California

If we move down, so some sucker can get McFadden, we take

12, 13, 14 - Ghoulston/Rivers/Campbell

18 - Oher/Balmer

Keep you eye on the ball, DEFENSE or O-Line.

[duus]

I tell you ... if McFadden is there when we pick, this is a MUST trade situation. They better be talking to Detroit, Carolina, Houston, Green Bay, Chicago. Teams in serious need of runningbacks. I bet they can get a #1 and #2/#3 ... or maybe even a 1 this year and next. Whatever the card tells you this spot is worth ... take it. Then use those picks to go D, D, and more D. I would love this move. Hope it is there ... and hope they take it.

[kingwilly]

Imagine the Bengals re-signing JSmith, Stacy Andrews and Landon Johnson and Odell is cleared for takeoff by Junior.

Then they have no pressing needs on defense that requires a #1 pick. They would never take a DT at #9 unless there was a stud with DE type quickness and they aren't in this years draft.

They know enough of what CP does well, and its rehabbing.

He has one final chance then cut. Get healthy or find a new profession

They know enough of Rudi and know he doesn't scare a defense anymore.

Rudi will be a June 1 casualty or a final cut. Either way, he will be in a CHI or CAR uniform next year.

They have questions about Irons and no answers.

I think Irons will get back. He has a freak injury that, nowadays, a guy can return from.

They know enough about Kenny and he's not a featured back.

He is 80% of the solution. Tandem him with 3D and a healthy line and they have a 100% effective run game

Marvin & Carson are on record saying the running game is busted and needs to be fixed.

I took this a comment on the O-line and playcalls, with a hint of the idea that Rudi does not get the job done.

McFadden available at 9? Sure I see where the Bengals would do it. But he won't be available, Peterson re-educated the NFL on what a big, strong & fast back can do to the league.

I agree that McFadden could well be gone, making the speculation moot. However, I do not see McFadden as an AD. Not the same potential. I see McFadden as a hot/cold guy who can get outside but does not run/catch like a Tomlinson, run like an LJ or could carry the load like Rudi has the last 3-4 years (and now look at him).

In the end McFadden would be a very poor selection.

If you want an RB , take Tony Temple, or Brandon Ore, or any one of a dozen guys who can be had from r4+.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I'd take him at #9... You take the best available. We already have QB and WR, we need a stud RB. Why not?

Why not? How about getting a stud impact defensive line player instead who can bring steady pressure on opposing QB's, which will in turn help improve the Cincinnati defense out of the bottom levels of the league for the first time since Marvin Lewis took the job. That's why not.

A top ten offense in the league has already been obtained for many years now. IMHO to continue to ignore the defensive problems with this team will only lead to more post seasons with the Bengals on the outside looking in. As the Patriots continue to show, it takes BALANCE in the NFL to get on top and stay there, and the Bengals are about as unbalanced as any team in the league.

[JoePong]

It would be stupid to pass on McFadden, just like it was stupid to pass on Ladainian Tomlinson to take Justin Smith just becasue we "needed" a defensive end - and I said that at the time.

But some people think you should pass up superior, special players in order to reach and fill a need.

[BengalszoneBilly]

It would be stupid to pass on McFadden, just like it was stupid to pass on Ladainian Tomlinson to take Justin Smith just becasue we "needed" a defensive end - and I said that at the time.

But some people think you should pass up superior, special players in order to reach and fill a need.

Please. Justin was picked 4th and LaDainian 5th in the 2001 draft. The BPA in that draft was Micheal Vick. Two years ago it was Vince Young. We've all seen how they worked out. So much for your theory.

[JoePong]

. Justin was picked 4th and LaDainian 5th in the 2001 draft. The BPA in that draft was Micheal Vick. Two years ago it was Vince Young. We've all seen how they worked out. So much for your theory.

Best player according to who? Not me! I would NEVER have drafted Michael Vick, and I sure would not have drafted Vince Young. Besides that, I really don't understand your point. What do either of them have to do with drafting Justin Smith ahead of Tomlinson? The only point you made is that I have been absolutely right on in my opinions of Vick, Young, Justin Smith, and Ladainian Tomlinson, etc...

[BengalszoneBilly]

Best player according to who? Not me! I would NEVER have drafted Michael Vick, and I sure would not have drafted Vince Young.

Nor would I Joe. My point is BOTH of these players were the BPA's of their time, as was even David Klingler and Carson Palmer. For whatever reason, and I don't know what it is, using the BPA train of thought doesn't work for the Bengals. Palmer was the exception to Cincinnati's take on this rule, and I'm overjoyed about this particular case.

In the instance of picking a lineman in the first round like Justin Smith, it hasn't paid off nearly as highly as we would have hoped, but it did a few years earlier with Willie Anderson. That was a pick to fill a need which it did in spades. BPA is what I use in fantasy football. I would hope my favorite professional football team exceeds my abilities in drafting players.

It's not so much a problem of choosing the BPA as it is the person that's doing the choosing. Mike is trying, but he's not his father Paul. Mike grew up apart from the one Paul experienced. Marvin has a say in this, but it doesn't trump his boss, who I'm sure has the final say so. IMHO having a GM will help turn this from a family affair into a voting democracy. Granted...Mike could always veto such things, but he would have to do so under much more duress.

[agreen_112]

I'm sorry but Joe made a really good point... I say take the best available before passing him up for something that we "need"... There will be plenty of FA lineman to aquire. What it boils down to is how much $$$ Mikey's willing to spend!

[ShulaSteakhouse]

It would be stupid to pass on McFadden, just like it was stupid to pass on Ladainian Tomlinson to take Justin Smith just becasue we "needed" a defensive end - and I said that at the time.

But some people think you should pass up superior, special players in order to reach and fill a need.

But if you're San Diego and have a chance to draft McFadden this year, let's say, do you do it? I don't think so.

The 1st pick is always a compromise or balance between need and BPA IMO.

Saying you just take the BPA on your board is not really accurate or a good way to go necessarily. What if the BPA on your board is a QB?

If I'm the Bengals' I take the BPA at OL, DL or LB.

[BengalszoneBilly]

It would be stupid to pass on McFadden, just like it was stupid to pass on Ladainian Tomlinson to take Justin Smith just becasue we "needed" a defensive end - and I said that at the time.

But some people think you should pass up superior, special players in order to reach and fill a need.

But if you're San Diego and have a chance to draft McFadden this year, let's say, do you do it? I don't think so.

The 1st pick is always a compromise or balance between need and BPA IMO.

Saying you just take the BPA on your board is not really accurate or a good way to go necessarily. What if the BPA on your board is a QB?

If I'm the Bengals' I take the BPA at OL, DL or LB.

We took the BPA at CB last season. We needed help at with the DB's, and I think it did help, and will help even more as they mature. Hopefully they will do it AGAIN with the line.

[semiotter]

DEF. DEF. DEF. DEF. = WIN WINWIN WINWIN..OK......

[BENGALTHEM]

If Mcfadden is available at #9, I think you have to take him, even though we need help on defense.

On the flip side, I don't think one should ever take a RB in the first round unless they are special. What separates good from great RB is high productivity over a long period of time. But at the same time an average RB coming out of college can look great with a solid O-line and a passing game. I've seen too many low drafted RB and college free agent RB do well in the NFL. For example watching the NFL playoffs I see guys like:

TampaBay- Earnest Graham, and Askew running hard. Giants-Ahmad Bradshaw, Seattle-Maurice Moris, Greenbay- Ryan Grant, Dallas- Marion Barber, Steelers- Willie Parker all doing well.

So if McFadden is special which I think he is, I think we should draft him at #9 unless another team is willing to make a trade. I think first round picks should always be used on the best player available at the time of the pick and not used to fill holes. We have 10 more picks to fill those holes. So if we take Mcfadden, then cut Rudi and Perry.

Roll with Watson, Irons, Doresy and Mcfadden in training camp. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE BALL.

[BengalszoneBilly]

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE BALL.

No doubt, but that has been the fault of the offensive line, not the RB's. You're pissin' up the wrong rope.

[BENGALTHEM]

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE BALL.

No doubt, but that has been the fault of the offensive line, not the RB's. You're pissin' up the wrong rope.

You can't put the lack of running game all on the O-line. I think most of the blame goes to RUDI.

[cincyhokie]

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE BALL.

No doubt, but that has been the fault of the offensive line, not the RB's. You're pissin' up the wrong rope.

You can't put the lack of running game all on the O-line. I think most of the blame goes to RUDI.

I'd also like to add that another larger portion of the failure of the running attack the last 2 years has been Bratowski's failure to adjust to defenses. The Bengals offense is stale. Add that with a limited intermediate passing attack (except TJ) and the average fan can call our own offensive plays.

[Oldcat]

I'm sorry but Joe made a really good point... I say take the best available before passing him up for something that we "need"... There will be plenty of FA lineman to aquire. What it boils down to is how much $$$ Mikey's willing to spend!

I hope a QB is not the best player available when we draft then

[Oldcat]

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE BALL.

No doubt, but that has been the fault of the offensive line, not the RB's. You're pissin' up the wrong rope.

You can't put the lack of running game all on the O-line. I think most of the blame goes to RUDI.

Even when Watson was running? that BASTARD!

[PhunkE1]

If McFadden is available at #9 hopefully we can trade down. I like McFadden, but I think AP has clouded everyone's judgement on RB's. McFadden just simply isn't the same kind of runner as AP. I don't think he'll be an every down back in the NFL.

I see allot of remarks about Free Agency. When has Mikey boy ever opened up his wallet for FA's? We might have allot of money to play with, but that doesn't mean it will be spent on anything more than our own pending FA's and contract extensions. I want to believe, but I can't forget the past. I'd love to see Mike Brown prove me wrong.