When R the guys coming back?

[walzav29]

Ahmad Brooks

Caleb Miller

Rashad Jeanty

Chris Perry

Tab Perry

Landon Johnson

Rudi Johnson

If a guy isn't going to come back, than you have to place him on IR. Why reserve a roster spot, when you are desperate for players. This is ridiculous. A rookie safety playing linebacker? Against the Patriots? What a joke! This game was a painful example that shows the difference between the elite teams and the Bengals. The Colts and Pats smack the Bengals down whenever they play. We can hang with the Steelers because of familiarity. Those 3 teams are true dynasties and the Bengals aren't. That's it.

[Spor_tees]

I brought this up in another thread. Why would they waste a roster spot on Jeanty when they could have put him on IR and had another LB that could play and help out on special teams. They could have either resigned Hartwell or brought up Everett from the practice squad. I mean Jeanty probably isn't going to come back until the 6th or 7th game anyway, so he is just wasting a spot. That is some extremely poor roster management.

[walzav29]

Exactly. So who makes this call? They always seem to let guys waste a roster spot to spite depth. Horrible, just horrible. I can't believe the bad old days are back, and I love Willie and all but he just wants to start a game and can barely play. I'm so glad the bye week is here.

[TJJackson]

and Ethan Kilmer

[HoosierCat]

Well, let's see. According to projections before the season, both Kilmer and Jeanty were supposed to be available by the KC game.

Brooks by all accounts isn't badly dinged and I expect he'll be back for KC.

Chris Perry comes off PUP after the KC game. He could be back as early as the Jets.

Landon had some kind of eye injury. I expect he'll be back at KC as well.

Rudi I'm not worried about; I thought Watson did well yesterday given what few chances (13 carries) he got.

As for Tab Perry and Caleb Miller, who cares? Both did little more than stink it up on the field before getting hurt.

[CJBestInAFC]

So when are the Bengals going to move Whitworth to RT? Wille can't play and was a mistake to give a large contract to. Kooistra is a decent backup but that is all he is. Put Whit at RT then play Stacy Andrews at LG. Maybe instead of giving Wille all that money they should have used it to resign players like Stacy Andrews who will probably be gone because the Bengals wont be able to come with the money.

[Bengals1]

So when are the Bengals going to move Whitworth to RT? Wille can't play and was a mistake to give a large contract to. Kooistra is a decent backup but that is all he is. Put Whit at RT then play Stacy Andrews at LG. Maybe instead of giving Wille all that money they should have used it to resign players like Stacy Andrews who will probably be gone because the Bengals wont be able to come with the money.

That's a cool avatar CJ! I have that same print plus another from that same series showing the team with its (then) newer striped helmets.

Were did you find a copy on the net to use as an avatar btw?

[Spor_tees]

Well, let's see. According to projections before the season, both Kilmer and Jeanty were supposed to be available by the KC game.

Brooks by all accounts isn't badly dinged and I expect he'll be back for KC.

Chris Perry comes off PUP after the KC game. He could be back as early as the Jets.

Landon had some kind of eye injury. I expect he'll be back at KC as well.

Rudi I'm not worried about; I thought Watson did well yesterday given what few chances (13 carries) he got.

As for Tab Perry and Caleb Miller, who cares? Both did little more than stink it up on the field before getting hurt.

If they were hoping Kilmer and Jeanty were going to be back for the KC game, wouldn't they had been better off to give them up for that one game in order to PUP them so they could use their roster spots for the first 6 games of the season for a player that was actually going to play? If they did they wouldn't be in the same position they are in now. I mean they aren't even sure if Kilmer and Jeanty will be able to come back by then. Do you think they were just calling in these first 4 games knowing who they were going to beat or lose to? Well they messed up on that because I am sure they weren't expecting to lose to the Browns!

[HoosierCat]

If they were hoping Kilmer and Jeanty were going to be back for the KC game, wouldn't they had been better off to give them up for that one game in order to PUP them so they could use their roster spots for the first 6 games of the season for a player that was actually going to play?

You can't PUP a player who practiced in camp, which both Kilmer and Jeanty did. It was either carry them wounded or lose them for the year to IR.

[walzav29]

Look how long Marv left Warrick on the roster with a broken leg. He can't assume all of these guys will come back.

[Spor_tees]

If they were hoping Kilmer and Jeanty were going to be back for the KC game, wouldn't they had been better off to give them up for that one game in order to PUP them so they could use their roster spots for the first 6 games of the season for a player that was actually going to play?

You can't PUP a player who practiced in camp, which both Kilmer and Jeanty did. It was either carry them wounded or lose them for the year to IR.

There had to be something that could be done. There is no way a team can be put in the situation the Bengals are in without some way to field a healthy team. I'm not an NFL executive so I don't know all the little nuances of the rules, BUT from reading the article on CBSSportsline.com, that writer agreed that the Bengals should have done something to make sure they didn't get stuck with only 2 healthy LB's and playing a rookie Safety at LB.

[HairOnFire]

If they were hoping Kilmer and Jeanty were going to be back for the KC game, wouldn't they had been better off to give them up for that one game in order to PUP them so they could use their roster spots for the first 6 games of the season for a player that was actually going to play?

You can't PUP a player who practiced in camp, which both Kilmer and Jeanty did. It was either carry them wounded or lose them for the year to IR.

Well, don't let facts get in the way of a good rant....'cause those guys were on a roll.

As for the question about why Whit simply isn't handed the RT role....he's still being platooned at the LT spot. Like Anderson on the opposite flank Levi Jones only plays in dribs and drabs, and quite honestly hasn't played that well when given the opportunity. In fact, I'd say Whitworth has not only become the Bengals best offensive lineman, but until Levi Jones begins looking like his former self, is currently best used at the critical LT position.

That said, if the Bengals are going to make long-term changes to their offensive line the bye week might be the perfect time.

[BengalByTheBay]

If they were hoping Kilmer and Jeanty were going to be back for the KC game, wouldn't they had been better off to give them up for that one game in order to PUP them so they could use their roster spots for the first 6 games of the season for a player that was actually going to play?

You can't PUP a player who practiced in camp, which both Kilmer and Jeanty did. It was either carry them wounded or lose them for the year to IR.

There had to be something that could be done. There is no way a team can be put in the situation the Bengals are in without some way to field a healthy team. I'm not an NFL executive so I don't know all the little nuances of the rules, BUT from reading the article on CBSSportsline.com, that writer agreed that the Bengals should have done something to make sure they didn't get stuck with only 2 healthy LB's and playing a rookie Safety at LB.

Perhaps they could reverse time. Let's face it, the overwhelming number of injuries simply is what it is. The options were to place players on IR. If a starting player might come back in a few games, you simply have to play who you can field. No team can sustain injuries at the rate of 2 per game to any single position group. The Bengals already went the route of picking up unsigned players as a stop-gap and even they are getting hurt. There is no magic cure to this many injuries.

[HairOnFire]

BTW, under the current circumstances I have to wonder why anyone would call out the strategy of using a SS as an extra LB? Duke Nukem played pretty well last night and made play after play in the first half.

Just saying....

[Spor_tees]

BTW, under the current circumstances I have to wonder why anyone would call out the strategy of using a SS as an extra LB? Duke Nukem played pretty well last night and made play after play in the first half.

Just saying....

If you call pretty well not allowing more than 7 yards on each run play yeah...but I guess I have a higher standard to "playing well." Playing well to me is more like keeping a team to less than 34 points or keeping a backup RB from rushing for 117 yards. Imagine what the score would have been if the Pats continued to pass the ball and run up the score, or if the Bengals offense did keep them in the game. The Defense would have given up at least 50.

[CJBestInAFC]

So when are the Bengals going to move Whitworth to RT? Wille can't play and was a mistake to give a large contract to. Kooistra is a decent backup but that is all he is. Put Whit at RT then play Stacy Andrews at LG. Maybe instead of giving Wille all that money they should have used it to resign players like Stacy Andrews who will probably be gone because the Bengals wont be able to come with the money.

That's a cool avatar CJ! I have that same print plus another from that same series showing the team with its (then) newer striped helmets.

Were did you find a copy on the net to use as an avatar btw?

I have had that picture for a while. I am not really sure where I got it but it was on a site that had a lot of old pictures like that and some old player cards. I looked through my favorites and couldn't find a bookmark of the site. Too bad they never use any of the old throw back unis.

[HairOnFire]

BTW, under the current circumstances I have to wonder why anyone would call out the strategy of using a SS as an extra LB? Duke Nukem played pretty well last night and made play after play in the first half.

Just saying....

If you call pretty well not allowing more than 7 yards on each run play yeah...but I guess I have a higher standard to "playing well."

Perhaps, but you're an idiot so why should I be concerned with your standards? The fact remains that you've now written an entire series of posts blasting the Bengals decision to use a SS as a coverage LB....a fine rant built upon ignoring the fact that the player in question played very well and made several important big plays....and no poor ones.

So doesn't it seem that your rant should be directed elsewhere?

[HairOnFire]

Playing well to me is more like keeping a team to less than 34 points or keeping a backup RB from rushing for 117 yards. Imagine what the score would have been if the Pats continued to pass the ball and run up the score, or if the Bengals offense did keep them in the game. The Defense would have given up at least 50.

Ask yourself why the Patriots would continue passing the ball when facing a defense built around 6 defensive backs? Wouldn't they be better served by attacking that featherweight unit by running the ball? And even if a team has success running the ball the result is a lower scoring game, right? A lower scoring game the Bengals might have won had the offense not spent the entire first half doing absolutely nothing?

[Spor_tees]

Playing well to me is more like keeping a team to less than 34 points or keeping a backup RB from rushing for 117 yards. Imagine what the score would have been if the Pats continued to pass the ball and run up the score, or if the Bengals offense did keep them in the game. The Defense would have given up at least 50.

Ask yourself why the Patriots would continue passing the ball when facing a defense built around 6 defensive backs? Wouldn't they be better served by attacking that featherweight unit by running the ball? And even if a team has success running the ball the result is a lower scoring game, right? A lower scoring game the Bengals might have won had the offense not spent the entire first half doing absolutely nothing?

Once again you can not build an argument without trying to direct a red herring by downgrading yourself with name calling. Despite the Bengal's modified dime/nickle defense, Brady threw at a clip of about 75% completion percentage and 3 TD's. So just shut up. If you can't back your arguments with any kind of hard facts, maybe you should just stop. Sometimes you just lose arguments, that's just the way it is. You can't win them all and calling people names as a way of winning is just pitiful.

[HairOnFire]

Once again you can not build an argument without trying to direct a red herring by downgrading yourself with name calling.

It's not a red herring. You ranted about the Bengals decision to fill a LB spot with a SS. I pointed out how well that player played....prompting you to repeatedly ignore his level of performance while posting stat after stat detailing team failure. That's stupid.

[SkinneymulleT]

Playing well to me is more like keeping a team to less than 34 points or keeping a backup RB from rushing for 117 yards. Imagine what the score would have been if the Pats continued to pass the ball and run up the score, or if the Bengals offense did keep them in the game. The Defense would have given up at least 50.

Ask yourself why the Patriots would continue passing the ball when facing a defense built around 6 defensive backs? Wouldn't they be better served by attacking that featherweight unit by running the ball? And even if a team has success running the ball the result is a lower scoring game, right? A lower scoring game the Bengals might have won had the offense not spent the entire first half doing absolutely nothing?

Once again you can not build an argument without trying to direct a red herring by downgrading yourself with name calling. Despite the Bengal's modified dime/nickle defense, Brady threw at a clip of about 75% completion percentage and 3 TD's. So just shut up. If you can't back your arguments with any kind of hard facts, maybe you should just stop. Sometimes you just lose arguments, that's just the way it is. You can't win them all and calling people names as a way of winning is just pitiful.

Lets not forget the fearsome pass rush we have that gives the male model all day to throw it to one of the freaks from the Island of Dr. Moreau. I would say that is to blame as much as any DB. Oh, and when is someone going to teach JJ how to jump higher than 6 inches.

[HairOnFire]

So just shut up. If you can't back your arguments with any kind of hard facts, maybe you should just stop. Sometimes you just lose arguments, that's just the way it is. You can't win them all and calling people names as a way of winning is just pitiful.

It's not my fault when you say stupid things and act like a dink. And the reason we can't have a reasonable debate is due to your habit of saying stupid things that you later refuse to defend. For example, since being confronted you haven't even attempted to discuss Ndukwe's performance....prefering to hide behind stats that reflect everything from the performance of the defensive line to the misfiring Bengal offense.

Forgive me for thinking that someone criticizing Ndukwe's performance should actually discuss just that.

Finally, try thinking of the namecalling as a valuable communication tool or skill. Like shorthand.

[Spor_tees]

So just shut up. If you can't back your arguments with any kind of hard facts, maybe you should just stop. Sometimes you just lose arguments, that's just the way it is. You can't win them all and calling people names as a way of winning is just pitiful.

It's not my fault when you say stupid things and act like a dink. And the reason we can't have a reasonable debate is due to your habit of saying stupid things that you later refuse to defend. For example, since being confronted you haven't even attempted to discuss Ndukwe's performance....prefering to hide behind stats that reflect everything from the performance of the defensive line to the misfiring Bengal offense.

Forgive me for thinking that someone criticizing Ndukwe's performance should actually discuss just that.

Finally, try thinking of the namecalling as a valuable communication tool or skill. Like shorthand.

Ndukwe made a couple good tackles on third down, but I also saw plays where he overpersued and was one of the players responsible for the long reverse play. No matter what I say about the guy, every negative thing there is an excuse for i.e. rookie, playing out of position, ect. so I didn't even waste my breath. But since you insisted I told you. Ndukwe also fell victim to one of Sammy Morris' stiff arms. That is what happens when you have an undersized guy playing LB that is really a safety. You can't blame the offense on the fact that several of the Patriots offensive series started around their own 20 yard line. In fact even the announcers pointed out that the Bengals game was the worst starting offensive position for the Patriots this year. The Bengal's defense was undermanned, overpowered, and out-coached.

[HairOnFire]

Ndukwe made a couple good tackles on third down, but I also saw plays where he overpersued and was one of the players responsible for the long reverse play. No matter what I say about the guy, every negative thing there is an excuse for i.e. rookie, playing out of position, ect. so I didn't even waste my breath. But since you insisted I told you.

Was that so hard?

No player is going to play perfect all night but what you describe as "a couple of good tackles on third down" were actually critical plays that ended drives. In fact, coupled with Leon Hall's interception, the Bengals strategy of playing with extra defensive backs not only kept them in the game but could have resulted in a 1st half lead if the offense had managed to produce anything beside interceptions, dropped passes, and failed conversion attempts on 3rd down.

The sad truth is the Bengal offense was so inept it wasn't even capable of killing the clock...resulting in a too small defense being rather predictably worn down. Oddly enough, you now claim the offense isn't to blame for the defense being..."undermanned, overpowered, and out-coached"....completely ignoring the fact that the rash of injuries you proudly refuse to acknowledge have resulted in the defense being horribly undermanned from the start.