would marvin lewis be fired this offseason

[HairOnFire]

Even if we could assemble a list of all 6 billion people on the planet, and even if we could go through it and settle on X number of candidates...there's still no way to prove any of them would be better. They might, they might not. The only way to find out would be to give them the job...which you don't want to do until we can prove they are better.

No, that's not it at all. I simply don't think Lewis deserves to be fired. Furthermore, there's no way I'd even consider it unless I was reasonably sure that the replacement was better. And on that critical point you seem far more willing than I am to ignore what Lewis has accomplished already by simply rolling the dice again and hoping for the best.

[HairOnFire]

[HairOnFire]

My apologies to you, dear reader, as a computer hiccup apparently caused a rare triple post....prompting me to delete the repeated jargon and fill the empty space with a post containing a single smilie, and then when yet another repeat post was discovered....this most craptastic edit.

Please ignore these sad efforts as they contain none of the patented red herrings, strawman arguments, or stinging juvenile insults that you've come to expect from your beloved scribe.

[kingwilly]

Even if we could assemble a list of all 6 billion people on the planet, and even if we could go through it and settle on X number of candidates...there's still no way to prove any of them would be better. They might, they might not. The only way to find out would be to give them the job...which you don't want to do until we can prove they are better.

No, that's not it at all. I simply don't think Lewis deserves to be fired. Furthermore, there's no way I'd even consider it unless I was reasonably sure that the replacement was better. And on that critical point you seem far more willing than I am to ignore what Lewis has accomplished already by simply rolling the dice again and hoping for the best.

HOF, I agree with your position. ML does not deserve to be fired. However, in the immortal words of William Munney in Unforgiven, "deserve has got nothin' to do with it." In the NFL, as in life, you rarely get what you deserve.

Also, "better" as a qualifier of coaching candidates is also immaterial as it implies a set of criteria that cannot possibly be quantified in a meaningful way as it relates to hiring.

Your final point is the most pertinent: who is/is not willing to roll the dice and hope for the best by going with a "new" guy. Count me among those who would prefer ML to keep on keepin' on but send Bres packing should we not improve in all phases of the D by the Bye week. The D is the problem. The problems on D start with scheme. The scheme is a by-prodicut of the D-coordinators planning and application of talent as it relates to the opponent. The performance of the D in executing said scheme is a function of discipline, repetition and resolve, all of which are harnessed by good coaching at the positional level. Should this chain of functions mis-fire on any level, the result is a Sunday like last; an inability to execute even the most simple of play-calls.

It is not ML but he is the one who needs to fix the problem, ie shorten the leash on Bres and get more involved in the oversight of the D until they can perform in a way that gives this team a chance to consistently win.

[BengalszoneBilly]

My apologies to you, dear reader, as a computer hiccup apparently caused a rare triple post....prompting me to delete the repeated jargon and fill the empty space with a post containing a single smilie, and then when yet another repeat post was discovered....this most craptastic edit.

Please ignore these sad efforts as they contain none of the patented red herrings, strawman arguments, or stinging juvenile insults that you've come to expect from your beloved scribe.

Are you at the bar posting here off your laptop?

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

No, that's not it at all. I simply don't think Lewis deserves to be fired. Furthermore, there's no way I'd even consider it unless I was reasonably sure that the replacement was better. And on that critical point you seem far more willing than I am to ignore what Lewis has accomplished already by simply rolling the dice again and hoping for the best.

On the first...as mentioned, 'deserve' seems not to be a word in the business that is the NFL. As for merit, Marvin has some very strong points (organizational control and stability) and some lesser ones (choosing a good DC, *maybe* talent evaluation but it's hard to assign responsibility there).

But I agree completely in having a replacement in mind before you do the deed. Otherwise you get the fun sort of coach hunt like the Chargers just had, and I don't want Norv Turner.

In the end...I hereby suggest a moratorium on all 'fire Marvin!' threads until the 8th game or until the defense gives up 50 points again, whichever happens first.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I hereby suggest a moratorium on all 'fire Marvin!' threads until the 8th game or until the defense gives up 50 points again, whichever happens first.

My money is on the 50 points.

[HairOnFire]

Count me among those who would prefer ML to keep on keepin' on but send Bres packing should we not improve in all phases of the D by the Bye week.

I've added my own voice to the shouts demanding that Bres be fired, but since Lewis has repeatedly defended the scheme I'm not expecting that to occur. Nor does it seem likely that Lewis will demote, but not fire, Bres by taking over defensive play calling. Which leaves only one hope for improvement. They need to get healthy.

[HairOnFire]

Are you at the bar posting here off your laptop?

Nope, I'm posting from my kitchen countertop. Not sure what happened but when I attempted to post my computer locked up. I walked away for a few minutes before checking to see if was still locked up. It was. I checked back a few minutes later and everything seemed fine until I scrolled up and found the double post. I quickly deleted the repeat and improvised a craptastic edit, only to find it double posted as well. So I quickly deleted the craptastic repeat and in it's place put a single "huh" smilie. Then, after ensuring that the edit hadn't double posted I did what any message board warrior would have done under such trying circumstances.

I bailed.

[Kazkal]

Another Loss but at this point if Bengals went 1-15 this season I wouldn't wanna see marvin fired,

It would be hard on any coach atm to have success with such a banged up team.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Another Loss but at this point if Bengals went 1-15 this season I wouldn't wanna see marvin fired,

It would be hard on any coach atm to have success with such a banged up team.

Excuses for the head coach simply won't wash with me. Blame starts at the top.

[Kazkal]

Another Loss but at this point if Bengals went 1-15 this season I wouldn't wanna see marvin fired,

It would be hard on any coach atm to have success with such a banged up team.

Excuses for the head coach simply won't wash with me. Blame starts at the top.

So Mikey? call it excuses but I call it reality at this point hell our FIng Head coach is injured

[BengalszoneBilly]

So Mikey?

Sure. Why not? He's been crap since the day he took over. Unfortunately he's much harder to get rid of.

[Kazkal]

Maybe he'll pass the team to Katie soon,knowing our luckit will be like that one baseball movie and she'll sell us

How does carson look in glasses

[Bobcat Bengal]

I want to see Coach Lewis' players and plan finally come to fruition.

Specifically, getting Kenny, Chris and David back.

[vettespd20]

I am darn tired of all this crap from the bengals. losing to the clowns what the f**k was that.

I have been a bengals fan since 1986. Alot of losing seaons in there .

i was real happy when the bengals hired in marvin lewis because of his past being a great defensive coordinator. What the hell happen to him bringing his skills to the bengals.

marvin having taken us to one playoff experenice was awesome.

But i truely believe there is lot more talent on this team than marvin lewis has them playing at.

so what i am saying is that if the bengals do anything less then the playoffs i beleive marvin lewis should be fired.

because i belive we are here to contend fo the superbowl.

not just 8-8 seasons every year

your number 1 canton ohio

what a idiot!!!!!

bengals fan

what a idiot!!!!!

[cantonbengal]

I am darn tired of all this crap from the bengals. losing to the clowns what the f**k was that.

I have been a bengals fan since 1986. Alot of losing seaons in there .

i was real happy when the bengals hired in marvin lewis because of his past being a great defensive coordinator. What the hell happen to him bringing his skills to the bengals.

marvin having taken us to one playoff experenice was awesome.

But i truely believe there is lot more talent on this team than marvin lewis has them playing at.

so what i am saying is that if the bengals do anything less then the playoffs i beleive marvin lewis should be fired.

because i belive we are here to contend fo the superbowl.

not just 8-8 seasons every year

your number 1 canton ohio

what a idiot!!!!!

bengals fan

what a idiot!!!!!

Who's the idiot

you telling me that you would want marvin lewis

back say if this team finshes lets say 6-10 or even worse

not me i say it would be time to clean house

including mike brown

[Kazkal]

I'll take marvin back with open arms if we go 1-15,It's not marvins fault were this banged up or Goddell is an ass.

We were missing 3 offensive line starters for most of this season,We are Decimated at LB Every position besides QB & Dline has been hammered with injurys....I'm not one for excuses but alot of fing shet has been going wrong this season and the end of last.

[Bobcat Bengal]

It's not idiotic, but I mean, even Cowher had a losing season....

its not even about that, its just ditching the guy when the going gets tough.....thats not the best plan of action.

have patience.....I guarantee firing Coach Lewis isn't going to solve anything.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I am darn tired of all this crap from the bengals. losing to the clowns what the f**k was that.

I have been a bengals fan since 1986. Alot of losing seaons in there .

i was real happy when the bengals hired in marvin lewis because of his past being a great defensive coordinator. What the hell happen to him bringing his skills to the bengals.

marvin having taken us to one playoff experenice was awesome.

But i truely believe there is lot more talent on this team than marvin lewis has them playing at.

so what i am saying is that if the bengals do anything less then the playoffs i beleive marvin lewis should be fired.

because i belive we are here to contend fo the superbowl.

not just 8-8 seasons every year

your number 1 canton ohio

what a idiot!!!!!

bengals fan

what a idiot!!!!!

I am darn tired of all this crap from the bengals. losing to the clowns what the f**k was that.

I have been a bengals fan since 1986. Alot of losing seaons in there .

i was real happy when the bengals hired in marvin lewis because of his past being a great defensive coordinator. What the hell happen to him bringing his skills to the bengals.

marvin having taken us to one playoff experenice was awesome.

But i truely believe there is lot more talent on this team than marvin lewis has them playing at.

so what i am saying is that if the bengals do anything less then the playoffs i beleive marvin lewis should be fired.

because i belive we are here to contend fo the superbowl.

not just 8-8 seasons every year

your number 1 canton ohio

what a idiot!!!!!

bengals fan

what a idiot!!!!!

Who's the idiot

you telling me that you would want marvin lewis

back say if this team finshes lets say 6-10 or even worse

not me i say it would be time to clean house

including mike brown

Ease up guys. Emotions are running high.

[WhoDey93285]

I am darn tired of all this crap from the bengals. losing to the clowns what the f**k was that.

I have been a bengals fan since 1986. Alot of losing seaons in there .

i was real happy when the bengals hired in marvin lewis because of his past being a great defensive coordinator. What the hell happen to him bringing his skills to the bengals.

marvin having taken us to one playoff experenice was awesome.

But i truely believe there is lot more talent on this team than marvin lewis has them playing at.

so what i am saying is that if the bengals do anything less then the playoffs i beleive marvin lewis should be fired.

because i belive we are here to contend fo the superbowl.

not just 8-8 seasons every year

your number 1 canton ohio

what a idiot!!!!!

bengals fan

what a idiot!!!!!

Who's the idiot

you telling me that you would want marvin lewis

back say if this team finshes lets say 6-10 or even worse

not me i say it would be time to clean house

including mike brown

I have to agree with you. There was something that Tony Kornheiser said tonight that really irked me. He said Marvin shouldn't be on the hot seat because he brought hope. And he's right, he did bring hope. But how long do you let a guy skate by on hope. Marvin Lewis has had 1 good season. And it looks like this one is turning out to be a trainwreck. Marvin Lewis should be fired if we do not get to the playoffs this year and especially if the season continues the way it is going. He has proven to me in his time in Cincinnati to be nothing more than a mediocre coach. I don't know about all of you, but I am tired of settling for having hope. "Oh jolly jeepers, I hope the Bengals make it to 8-8 this season! That would just be fantastic." I'm tired of hearing that s**t. I mentioned the possibility of firing Marvin to a couple of buddies the other day and you'd think I'd blasphemed God or something. "WHY MARVIN GETS US TO 8-8 EVERY YEAR!" "HE'S NEVER HAD A LOSING SEASON!" How many winning seasons has he had? 1. How many playoff games has he won? Zero. I want to win a damn Superbowl and I don't see Marvin taking us there. If he's not, fire his ass and bring someone in who can. I'm tired of just having "hope".

[Spor_tees]

I had said previously some things about Marvin losing control of the team. Well if last night didn't prove that, I don't know what will. First you have your star WR and star QB having a shouting match on the sideline that had to be broken up by coaches and blocked from the camera by Willie Anderson, followed by your franchise player saying on microphone that "it seems like our gameplans NEVER work", and then finally reports are all over the place that Marvin lit into the team after the game on a tirade of selfishness of players. The worst part is it seems Marvin's tirade only split the players even more than drew them together. TJ said in an interview that he wished Marvin would just call out the players by name instead of just dragging it across the team. He even believes he might be one of those players. Chad Johnson was so mad and frustrated he couldn't be found by reporters after the game.

So what are the Bengals left with after 4 weeks? A defense with barely enough healthy players to put a team on the field and an offense fighting from within and not in sync. It was truly pathetic how the front office would let the team come into Monday night with only 4 LB's. After 2 quarters 2 of those LB's were hurt and the team had to play a modified dime defense that got gashed by the Patriots running the ball. Injuries are one thing, but poor management has only multiplied the problems not worked to fix them. I expect 2-4 coaches to be fired after this year. I also want to point out one thing I think might be a major factor in some of the offensive woes this year...Hue Jackson. He was a father figure for a lot of the guys that had glass egos and rough backgrounds. Maybe Marvin will take a demotion to defensive coordinator next year? But I doubt it.

[membengal]

The Lewis-has-lost-control-of-the-team thesis has some merit at this point. They are not responding well to adversity, on any level.

Then again, have they ever under Lewis? That appears to be a major flaw of his.

[SkinneymulleT]

Can you really blame a coach when they are playing 5 dlineman and 2 safety's at linebacker? This frustration is felt by the entire team and leads to them pressing and mistakes result. Cant fire marvin this year, maybe next if we have another 6-10 year(last 16 games).

[Spor_tees]

Can you really blame a coach when they are playing 5 dlineman and 2 safety's at linebacker? This frustration is felt by the entire team and leads to them pressing and mistakes result. Cant fire marvin this year, maybe next if we have another 6-10 year(last 16 games).

The team should never be put in that position. They should have put Jeanty on the IR at the beginning of the year and not wasted a roster spot that could be used for a healthy LB. They should have Hartwell resigned right now or had Everett brought up from the practice squad. Poor, poor, poor roster management.