duus Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Now, you know I am anything but a Chris Henry defender. The guy is being punished for his own stupidity. No question there for me. BUT ... if Jones appeals (which he is set to do today) and for some reason gets a reduced suspension, say something like 12 games, then what do you think Henry should do? Do you think he would have a basis to argue a reduction of his own? If Jones gets his reduced, it would seem to me that there might be merit to Henry arguing that he already lost 3 games last year (2 by league and 1 by team) plus the traffic thing was dismissed. Seems to me that he might have some small argument to get his reduced by a similar percentage should that happen to Jones.Or is it best to be the 'poster child' of taking the punishment and moving on without question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Well, any appeal he made would be heard by Goodell -- y'know, the guy who suspended him. Thus I suspect it would be a rather pointless exercise. Better to just keep you mouth shut, your hands to yourself, and your nose clean until November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Well, any appeal he made would be heard by Goodell -- y'know, the guy who suspended him. Thus I suspect it would be a rather pointless exercise. Better to just keep you mouth shut, your hands to yourself, and your nose clean until November. Agreed entirely, unless PacMan gets his sentence reduced. I know Pac can return sooner if his behavior is good...that was built into his punishment. Is there anything similar for Henry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Goodell said he would review Pac's suspension afer week 10...by then Henry should already be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Well, any appeal he made would be heard by Goodell -- y'know, the guy who suspended him. Thus I suspect it would be a rather pointless exercise. Better to just keep you mouth shut, your hands to yourself, and your nose clean until November.Well like duus said, Henry's decision would be contingent on Pacman getting a reduced suspension, which as you point out has about a snowball's chance in hell. But if it does, it might indicate that the Commish is a softie for false contrition. I'm pretty sure he's not.However, for the sake of argument - if it were me, and Pacman did get a reduction, I would quietly (without media fanfare) ask for another audience with Goodell, tell him the suspension scared him straight, and ask that the previous one count as time served. Maybe offer to play double or nothing - if he does anything else, he'd serve time for that and any reduction.But in the end, Pacman won't get a reduction and after watching that, Henry would be an idiot to try. It might be smart to have a conversation with Goodell sometime between the beginning of the season and Week 4, if Henry gets involved in the community (supposedly working with Taft?) and doesn't get arrested again. Maybe at that point he could ask for mercy on the basis of good behavior. But I think it would better to try after demonstrating real contrition as opposed to mouthing his publicist's words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Do your time Henry.If you really mean what you say,accept the suspension and stay out of trouble for the eight games.You can then come back and impress us even more by continuing to stay out of trouble and playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted April 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Yeah, to be clear, I AM NOT suggesting Henry even dream of appealing UNLESS Pacman is somehow successful with his. That is my ... should Jones be successful, doesn't it seem that Henry would have some basis for his argument as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Yeah, to be clear, I AM NOT suggesting Henry even dream of appealing UNLESS Pacman is somehow successful with his. That is my ... should Jones be successful, doesn't it seem that Henry would have some basis for his argument as well?Henry would, but that's not going to happen. I'd say that Jones' chances of coming back early dropped simply by appealing. Commish can't admit as much, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 I'll bump this with the following on Pac-Man...Titans | Decision on A. Jones' suspension delayedMon, 14 May 2007 16:33:37 -0700The Associated Press reports a decision on whether the suspension of Tennessee Titans CB Adam Jones should be reduced has been delayed due to more paperwork for the lawyers involved in the case. A decision is expected no sooner than May 21, according to people close to the situation.I also feel that if Jones gets a reduction, Henry should definitely look into it. I wouldn't want to see it worked out in the public eye as much, but would want it none the less...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Should Henry appeal his suspension?No. Take your punishment like a man, not a "Pac-man." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Interesting series of events on NFL Total Access yesterday. First they updated the status of Pacman Jones appeal by repeating his defense strategy showing the length of suspensions, or the lack of them, handed out in response to the last 300 or so NFL player arrests and convictions. The vast majority of those 300 players received no suspension at all, and none of the suspensions that were handed out were even half as long as the one Jones was given. Finally, it was noted that Pacman still hasn't been convicted of anything. Immediately following the Jones story was a recap of the Mike Vick dogfighting investigation and the NFL's lack of response to growing demands that they immediately suspend Vick for breaking federal laws. In short, the NFL front offices types adamantly refused to offer any comment on the investigation, or consider taking any action whatsoever, because....wait for it.....Mike Vick hasn't been convicted of committing a crime. Double standards? Absolutely. As for Chris Henry, the idea of appealing makes a certain amount of sense until you remind yourself that the level of punsihment being handed out by Roger Goodell is completely arbitrary and random. And since the level of punishment isn't based upon logic there's no reason to assume that it would be reduced even if other suspensions are shortened after appeal. Ehhh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwalling@pinnacleactuaries.com Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 No.He should man up, take responsibility for his actions, get his sh!t together and get back on the field before his opportunity is irreparably and permanently terminated (by Goodell or a tow truck). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Interesting series of events on NFL Total Access yesterday. First they updated the status of Pacman Jones appeal by repeating his defense strategy showing the length of suspensions, or the lack of them, handed out in response to the last 300 or so NFL player arrests and convictions. The vast majority of those 300 players received no suspension at all, and none of the suspensions that were handed out were even half as long as the one Jones was given. Finally, it was noted that Pacman still hasn't been convicted of anything. Immediately following the Jones story was a recap of the Mike Vick dogfighting investigation and the NFL's lack of response to growing demands that they immediately suspend Vick for breaking federal laws. In short, the NFL front offices types adamantly refused to offer any comment on the investigation, or consider taking any action whatsoever, because....wait for it.....Mike Vick hasn't been convicted of committing a crime. Double standards? Absolutely. As for Chris Henry, the idea of appealing makes a certain amount of sense until you remind yourself that the level of punsihment being handed out by Roger Goodell is completely arbitrary and random. And since the level of punishment isn't based upon logic there's no reason to assume that it would be reduced even if other suspensions are shortened after appeal. Ehhh?I don't think you can compare Vick and Jones situations, Vick wasn't even a person of interest in this case. Yes the crimes were committed in a house that he owned, but he never lived there. Vick's case is more like Steve McNair being punished for someone committing a crime while using their property, i.e. car or house. Pacman on the other hand has been questioned for his direct involvement in 10 incidents in the past year, unlike Vick he was directly involved in club fights and the other crap he's getting punished for. While it might be a double standard, no player has come close to Pacman's 10 incidents in a year. Something had to be to done to show this guy that he couldn't continue to do the same things he was and continue to go down the same path. Just call it Goodell's way showing tough love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 I think Takeo hit all the right notes in a recent Judge piece on sportsline.com...http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10178852 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 I think Takeo hit all the right notes in a recent Judge piece on sportsline.com...http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10178852Good article and good qoutes from Takeo, man I wish he could have stayed around. But Takeo pretty much sets the record straight for anybody who doesn't understand why Pacman is getting such a harsh penalty.You don't have to punish a guy for one time or a second time," said Spikes, "because it may be something totally different or something minor. But when you get three, four or five times, that's no accident. That's not being at the wrong place at the wrong time, and someone has to be held accountable. "In the end, as players, we were grandfathered in there with a lot of guys who went through strikes to get us to the point where we have a union, player reps and free-agency. And we have guys who are fortunate enough to get the big money. When you continue to do things like (screw up repeatedly), it puts the younger guys -- the next generation of players -- up against the eight-ball." In Jones' case it was the five-ball. That's how many times he was arrested before the one-year suspension. And he was questioned another five times by police. It's the repeat offenses that had the attention of the commissioner, even though Jones hasn't been convicted of any charges brought against him.At some point in time there has to be a line drawn in the sand, there was and Pacman did a Bob Beamen over that line in Vegas during the NBA All-Star Weekend.And that's exactly what Spikes discovered after meeting with Goodell. Remember, Spikes is the same player who, along with other committee members, earlier this year tried to counsel Jones and steer him straight; someone who urged Jones to forget about his past and concentrate on putting up "a clean slate," as Spikes put it. "We thought it went well," said SpikesUnlike Jeff Fisher and Bud Adams most people don't like being lied to, especially from some wannabe street thug who can't realize he's throwing a literally million dollar opportunity down the s**tter for other reason than sheer stupidity. How many times is Pacman going to "Yeah, yeah" people who try to help him and get a second chance. Like our ever so eloquent President said, "Fool me once, shame on you..Fool me twice, well there won't be a second time" or something to that nature. Point is Pacman had the whole NFL trying to reach out to him and offer support but he betrayed them all by not taking their warnings seriously. Pacman doesn't realize the NFL is much bigger than him and without him they won't miss a beat.Am I supportive of what he's done? I think I can speak on behalf of all the players in this league when I say that we, as players, have to do everything we can to protect this identity that we have. "I think football is the greatest sport -- the greatest team sport -- of all time, period. At the same time, you're messing up the credibility of players as a whole when you have the few who are messing that up. "We support the commissioner in what he does. I think highly of Roger just because of the fact that he decided to come up with the advisory committee to keep the communication lines open. One of the things I like about being on the committee I am on is being able to bring certain players in to let them know (about the consequences of their actions). "I don't know what they (Goodell and players) talk about. Everything is confidential. But when you bring a guy in, sit him down and let him know that this is the way it's going to be -- that I'm not passing this through the media, I'm letting you know off the top this is the way it's going to be -- I think that's what we all want to see because, in the end, we want to put this back in the player's hands. "He's telling you, 'We're going to put it in your hands to make it right. You're a grown man; we're not going to treat you like a baby. We're going to put it in your hands. And you're going to hang yourself in the end of the day if you do get in trouble.'" I think the problem is treating these kids like grown men, Pacman has proven he's not yet ready to be a called a man, he's a baby boy. I think the same could said for Chris Henry, hopefully these guys smarten up quick fast and in a hurry because they burned bridges and used up their 2nd chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 While it might be a double standard, no player has come close to Pacman's 10 incidents in a year. I'm not attempting to defend Pacman Jones. But as you admitted theres a blatant double standard at play when the NFL refuses to even comment on the Mike Vick investigation, let alone take any action, simply because Vick hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime. And let's remember that this isn't the first incident involving Mike Vick. Or Steve McNair. Or Joey Porter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 While it might be a double standard, no player has come close to Pacman's 10 incidents in a year. I'm not attempting to defend Pacman Jones. But as you admitted theres a blatant double standard at play when the NFL refuses to even comment on the Mike Vick investigation, let alone take any action, simply because Vick hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime. And let's remember that this isn't the first incident involving Mike Vick. Or Steve McNair. Or Joey Porter.At least Vick is smart enough to distance himself from any alleged illegal activity, Pacman loves the action too much that. As for McNair, I've met him a few times and I can tell you he's a good man, his previous arrest was thrown out because of lack of evidence. As much as I despise Porter, even he hadn't accomplished through out his whole career what Pacman was able to pull off in one year. The reason for the double standard is the 5 arrest and 5 questionings by the police in one calendar year, he's a busy guy. Like Takeo said, one or two incidents every few years is nothing to be alarmed about, everybody makes mistakes. But to get arrested 5 times and questioned 5 more times shows you have a blantant disregard and disrespect for society in general. If he got caught that many times imagine what he got away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 As for McNair, I've met him a few times and I can tell you he's a good man, his previous arrest was thrown out because of lack of evidence. McNair has been arrested for booze driving twice now. In addition, police were forced to drop domestic violence charges against Mcnair because his wife refused to testify. Decide for yourself if that makes him a bad guy, but what interests me is simply this. It adds up to ample cause for Goodell to act if he so desires, but he won't....largely because most people think Steve McNair is a nice guy, and as a result he's not considered a public image problem for the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edogger Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 While it might be a double standard, no player has come close to Pacman's 10 incidents in a year. I'm not attempting to defend Pacman Jones. But as you admitted theres a blatant double standard at play when the NFL refuses to even comment on the Mike Vick investigation, let alone take any action, simply because Vick hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime. And let's remember that this isn't the first incident involving Mike Vick. Or Steve McNair. Or Joey Porter.At least Vick is smart enough to distance himself from any alleged illegal activity, Pacman loves the action too much that. Wasn't Vick the one that didn't want to give up his "empty" bottle of "water"? That doesn't sound smart enough to me.I think Goodell and the NFL didn't realize how big of a problem this was going to be and now the flood gates have opened on a lot of different cases and no real guideline of how to handle them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Are the videos of Vick at the dog fights?http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApL....o&type=lgnsIf so, his a$$ will be suspended, maybe even banned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Are the videos of Vick at the dog fights?http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApL....o&type=lgnsIf so, his a$$ will be suspended, maybe even banned...Call me a dog lover... but raising and watching dogs kill eachother for sport is far worse than anything Henry has done... and I think Henry has done plenty. Get Vick the hell out of this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Call me a dog lover... but raising and watching dogs kill eachother for sport is far worse than anything Henry has done... and I think Henry has done plenty. Get Vick the hell out of this league.I am a dog lover...so you'll get no argument from me on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 If Vick is really on videotape at a dogfight on his property (Felony) he is a f*cking idiot !!! On a side note, dogfighting over here in Afghanistan is HUGE !!! They breed the dogs just for that sole purpose and then cut their ears off so they don't get bit off while fighting, making them less likely to continue fighting. It's quite disgusting to me and we recently took a dog away from the guards when they cut off it's ears on the base. We named him "Radar"... Anyway, Vick is an idiot anyway around...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edogger Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 I wonder who that reliable source could be. I bet Vick is scrambling to find out if videos really exist and the Falcons regret trading Schaab now! Another one bites the dust...Vick will be suspended for the season (If not longer). Unless they play the strike rule. What strike would this be? Two, right?This is a huge offense if the videos tie him to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 NFLPA sends letter to Goodell asking him to cut Pacman's suspension:http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...1/70529031/1027Florio over at PFT suggests it's a CYA move by the union, which strikes me as reasonable. If Pacman gets a break, Henry should pipe up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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