Kazkal Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=3079The Pats tagging Samuel surprises me a little. I can't find anything on it though, got a link?I did just see them mention it on NFL Network though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadJohnson-85 Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 It dosen't matter cuz the Bengals wouldn't of tryed to sign any of them anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 TDB: link - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2768800It dosen't matter cuz the Bengals wouldn't of tryed to sign any of them anyway.... Maybe, maybe not, but the tag was always virtually certain for Briggs, and it was just a toss-up between Samuel and graham as to who NE would use it on. Freeny is likely to get tagged, too, and the Ravens have talked about tagging Thomas, tho they would have to free up some cap space (which they can do by dumping Jamal, I believe).Kinda makes tagging Justin make a bit more sense, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Ya would seem no bear players will resign till lovie gets a new deal and bears just slapped him in the face by lowballing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Neither of these are surprising....Not like the Bengals would have made a play on them anyway.....All this did was crush the dreams of some fans who fail to see the reality of it all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Brooks21 Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Kinda makes tagging Justin make a bit more sense, eh?No it does not make tagging Justin make sense. I'm in the Military so I have friends that are fans of every different team in the NFL, and I had the same reaction from 90% of them "the Patriots tagged Samuel, the Bears tagged Lance Briggs and the Bengals tagged Justin Smith.... who the hell is Justin Smith" . Who outside of the AFC North knows who the hell Justin Smith is? Who schemes at all for Justin Smith around the NFL? Justin Smith is average at best, you don't tag average players if you do give them the transition tag. He better have at least 10 SACKS next year for me not to call this a bad move on the Bengals part. Justin Smith said that the Bengals were not trying to negotiate a contract with him at all during the season. If they would have stepped up long time ago if they knew they wanted the guy back they probably would have a contract done by now instead of wasting a franchise tag on the guy and paying him top 5 defensive end money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Your friends' ignorance to Justin Smith's existence is irrelevant. When assessing Smith as a defensive end, so many people get caught up in his sack totals. He averages just under seven sacks per season... That's not below average, and it's not above average. Now, add that average pass rush to a tackle total that is always among league leaders at his position. He is excellent against the run.I always hear people state he makes his tackles eight yards downfield, but that's simply untrue. Someone recently compiled every one of Smith's 2006 tackles, and according to his math, 66% of his tackles were for a three yard gain or less. 91% were for a six yard gain or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 Who outside of the AFC North knows who the hell Justin Smith is?I've seen plenty of outsiders who wanted to bring in justin smith...Bengal fans just turn on their own to quickly look at all the hate chad receives.I always hear people state he makes his tackles eight yards downfield, but that's simply untrue. Someone recently compiled every one of Smith's 2006 tackles, and according to his math, 66% of his tackles were for a three yard gain or less. 91% were for a six yard gain or less.ya and the plays he does chase down would be alot bigger if it wasen't for his motor...Justin isen't a probowler but you still need hard working players who will never give up...would be nice if more players on our defense were like him rather then ocrap I'll just fall down rather try and tackle someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 No it does not make tagging Justin make sense. I'm in the Military so I have friends that are fans of every different team in the NFL, and I had the same reaction from 90% of them "the Patriots tagged Samuel, the Bears tagged Lance Briggs and the Bengals tagged Justin Smith.... who the hell is Justin Smith" .And to continue the thought, who the hell are we going to sign that's better? Let's see, Briggs? No, he's been tagged. Samuel? No, he's been tagged. Thomas? Ravens are talking about tagging him. So suppose we let him go. You know what happens? Now the bengals sign 2 or 3 more players your friends have never heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Brooks21 Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 Your friends' ignorance to Justin Smith's existence is irrelevant. When assessing Smith as a defensive end, so many people get caught up in his sack totals. He averages just under seven sacks per season... That's not below average, and it's not above average. Now, add that average pass rush to a tackle total that is always among league leaders at his position. He is excellent against the run.I always hear people state he makes his tackles eight yards downfield, but that's simply untrue. Someone recently compiled every one of Smith's 2006 tackles, and according to his math, 66% of his tackles were for a three yard gain or less. 91% were for a six yard gain or less.He is excellent against the run, are you kidding me.Nine times out of ten people perform better during there contract year that's a lot of motivation around that money, I wonder why his tackles jumped up this year. Don't quote somebody else if you don't have a name. Justin Smith should have been signed long time ago before the Bengals were giving Chad money for a new contract when his contract was not up. Justin Smith production tapers off bad as the season progresses is he taking a break or something, want you look that stat up since you are the stat man. You don't pay an average Defensive End top five money, that contract should have been taken care of long time ago to prevent such things. If we gave him five to six million dollars a year that 2-3 million extra we paid him we would have to sign someone during free agency, if they get him signed in the next few weeks I want have anything to complain about but if this lingers after free agency and we don't have anybody signed get ready to watch the same below average defense next year. I don't hate Justin Smith he just has not lived up to the top four pick that he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 TDB brought up on another thread that the justin makes all his tackles 8 yards down field is a myth.with 60% of his tackles being 3 yards or less and 93% being 6 or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Brooks21 Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 TDB brought up on another thread that the justin makes all his tackles 8 yards down field is a myth.with 60% of his tackles being 3 yards or less and 93% being 6 or less.I have come to this conclusion Justin is benefiting from a weak free agency pool this year. We do have to sign him because that production is not coming from anybody on our bench behind him or in free agency this year. When we draft guys like Frostee Rucker who nobody knows about that happens. I wave the white flag on the Justin Smith topic have to hope for the best from him because know he will be with us next year. Go Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 He is excellent against the run, are you kidding me.Nine times out of ten people perform better during there contract year that's a lot of motivation around that money, I wonder why his tackles jumped up this year.Justin's 2006 season really wasn't much different from any of the previous four. He is probably the least likely player on defense to perform better in a contract year when he is already giving 100% effort without that.Don't quote somebody else if you don't have a name.Eh? Well I wasn't just pulling those figures out of my butt. I stated that another message board poster came to those numbers through his own calculations, and that's the truth. Whether you trust another man's math is your own perogative, but they're the numbers he came to. His name is irrelevant.Justin Smith should have been signed long time ago before the Bengals were giving Chad money for a new contract when his contract was not up. Justin Smith production tapers off bad as the season progresses is he taking a break or something, want you look that stat up since you are the stat man.I don't disagree that there were advantages to be had in signing Justin earlier, but that's not a fair assumption to make. Cap scenarios were completely different when Chad and Carson received their extensions.You don't pay an average Defensive End top five money, that contract should have been taken care of long time ago to prevent such things.Why? The Bengals still have until July 15th to get a deal done, and now they don't have to worry about Justin getting away in free agency. He's a Bengal for 2007 beyond all reasonable doubt. We saw the exact same scenario with Rudi Johnson after the 2003 season, and it didn't take long at all for the Bengals to get him signed long term.If we gave him five to six million dollars a year that 2-3 million extra we paid him we would have to sign someone during free agency, if they get him signed in the next few weeks I want have anything to complain about but if this lingers after free agency and we don't have anybody signed get ready to watch the same below average defense next year.One cannot bash the Bengals for failing to complete a task when the deadline for said task is still five months away.I don't hate Justin Smith he just has not lived up to the top four pick that he was.I agree, but how is that relevant? He is what he is (a solid player), and his draft position has no bearing on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Brooks21 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 He is excellent against the run, are you kidding me.Nine times out of ten people perform better during there contract year that's a lot of motivation around that money, I wonder why his tackles jumped up this year.Justin's 2006 season really wasn't much different from any of the previous four. He is probably the least likely player on defense to perform better in a contract year when he is already giving 100% effort without that.If you call twenty more tackles not different then any before. You must have a man crush for Justin Smith, he's average buddy get over it. Just like the article on here says what game has he ever dominated? You are supposed to get games like that from number four picks in the draft. His best game statistic wise was against New England, guess what we got beat 38-13, and they were running to his side all day long because he was out of position all day long and he admitted that on an interview that he was trying to do too much.They run to his side all day long,watch the game that's why he's getting so many tackles downfield that is.I don't disagree that there were advantages to be had in signing Justin earlier, but that's not a fair assumption to make. Cap scenarios were completely different when Chad and Carson received their extensions.You don't pay an average Defensive End top five money, that contract should have been taken care of long time ago to prevent such things.Why? The Bengals still have until July 15th to get a deal done, and now they don't have to worry about Justin getting away in free agency. He's a Bengal for 2007 beyond all reasonable doubt. We saw the exact same scenario with Rudi Johnson after the 2003 season, and it didn't take long at all for the Bengals to get him signed long term.Like I said we do have until July 15th to get it done but we have less money to work with at the beginning of free agency because we don't know how much we are going to sign him for, so right now we have to honor that 8 million dollars we have tendered him. That makes a big difference on signing someone good, if we had him locked up once again at about 5 million then we would have an extra three million to work with but since we don't know that's less money to work with.I agree, but how is that relevant? He is what he is (a solid player), and his draft position has no bearing on that.You don't draft just solid players in the top 10 of the draft buddy, top 10 is for franchise players who are going to make a huge difference. How many probowls has that solid player been to? Richard Seymour who was drafted right after him has to be game planned for, that's what you call a top ten pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 You don't draft just solid players in the top 10 of the draft buddy, top 10 is for franchise players who are going to make a huge difference. How many probowls has that solid player been to? Richard Seymour who was drafted right after him has to be game planned for, that's what you call a top ten pick.I said I agreed that Justin hasn't panned out as a #4 overall pick, but that doesn't matter in this discussion. We're not tagging him because he was drafted so high. We're tagging him because he is an important contributor. The same would hold true had he been drafted in the seventh round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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