Stripes Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5886Adams' attitude is about what every fan wants to see in any player... Hopefully it's more contagious this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I like a feel good story as much as the next guy, but the article that needs to be written is one that prepares Bengal fans for the day, hopefully soon, when Sam Adams is cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 It would seem marvin let a fire under sams ass and willie ain't cooking a fat burger with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I talk bad about all of the old past their prime players Marvin brings in here all the time, but Big Sam is the only exception. Everyone is like "well he hardly had any tackles so we should cut his ass" well, he isnt Suppose to make many tackles, he is suppose to take up space, and that is what you saw this year with the increase production out of RObert Geathers. He wouldn't have done that without Sam Adams, or another big huge bodied lineman. Sam needs to stay, he is too good to let go. I am sick of all of these people saying we should cut him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 a 320-330 lb adam should be a intresting sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'm beginning to think that Jay Hayes (DL coach) is brainwashing the veteran DT's that come here. First Thornton comes here and loses weight every single year, vowing to be more productive... but becoming less and less productive. Now Adams is going to play at a significantly smaller weight than he is used to. My guess is that next season we will be complaining about how our run defense has taken a step backward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 My guess is that next season we will be complaining about how our run defense has taken a step backward.At this point, I think I would clearly know a forward step when I see one, but I cannot be as confident about the ability to acknowledge one backward step from another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 My guess is that next season we will be complaining about how our run defense has taken a step backward.At this point, I think I would clearly know a forward step when I see one, but I cannot be as confident about the ability to acknowledge one backward step from another. The reasons are arguable, but the Bengals did finish with a much better statistical run defense than they had ever previously produced under Marvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 My guess is that next season we will be complaining about how our run defense has taken a step backward.At this point, I think I would clearly know a forward step when I see one, but I cannot be as confident about the ability to acknowledge one backward step from another. The reasons are arguable, but the Bengals did finish with a much better statistical run defense than they had ever previously produced under Marvin.Yeah, I know, but I just look forward to the day when it is our run defense that has the streak of allowing below 100 yard runners. That's what I want ... when it is the exception that the other team has the 100 yard running back.Dare to dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Sam needs to stay, he is too good to let go. I am sick of all of these people saying we should cut him. Read the article again. You'll find Adams admitting that he wasn't physically able to practice, didn't play very well when he was able to suit up, and acknowledges that he very well might be cut in a few months if he can't lose a fairly staggering amount of weight. And for all of the talk about weight loss and improving attitude it should be remembered that this isn't the first time Adams has made these promises. It's just the first time he's made the promise as a Bengal. Frankly, I find it hard to understand why anyone who witnessed his play last season would defend Adams rather than speculate on why he should be cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Sam needs to stay, he is too good to let go. I am sick of all of these people saying we should cut him.I agree. Not only does he have quality character but some GM fans -- the same fans that demand Marvin clean up character issues while demanding Adams get cut for a pisso-nympho -- have found a super-secret cave of personnel that will dominate the defensive line once he's cut. Surely there's a gameplan for cutting Adams, right?Personally, I thought Adams was one of the most improved defensive players once his knee felt better in the second half of the season. But that's what I get for actually watching the games seeing him force redirections because he's in the backfield soon after the ball is snapped. Sorry, there's no stat for that. That's just knowing that our younger talent was sporadically doing anything to disrupt the rushing blocking schemes so our badass linebackers can make bone-jarring hits while our cornerbacks smother receivers. Adams was apart of the play way more consistently than any other defensive tackle on this team... towards the end of the season.Frankly, I find it hard to understand why anyone who witnessed his play last season would defend Adams rather than speculate on why he should be cut.Who would replace him? Peko? No way... at least, not yet. S.Smith? He's been here for several seasons and STILL doesn't do much more than fill out the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Frankly, I find it hard to understand why anyone who witnessed his play last season would defend Adams rather than speculate on why he should be cut.I thought he did a fine job, or at least moreso than any DT we had in 2005. If we're going to play the Shula game, I think there're defenders much more deserving of "cut me" discussion than Adams. He really did improve over the course of the season, and it's great to have a guy like him here while Peko learns and improves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Who would replace him? Weight and see? Find other players in the draft or free agency or use the same players who are replacing Adams even when he's on the roster. Seriously, Adams only played 19% of the defensive snaps his last season with the Bills, and he probably didn't play much more than that in his first year with the Bengals. So like it or not, you're replacing him on most defensive snaps even when he's available. And for all of your claims about Adams being much improved in the 2nd half of the season there's still the issue of him being unable to play well, or at all, during much of the season due to the physical shape he showed up in after signing his contract. And despite his promises to begin this season weighing 35/40 pounds less I'm reminded that he made similar promises to other teams, but wasn't able to dump the weight. Perhaps this year will be different since Adams is fighting to extend his career. Then again, maybe it won't be. A version of Sam Adams that tips the truck scales weighing 40 pounds less than the "space filler" we witnessed last season is something I'd be interested in, but if he showed up in the same shape as he did after signing his FA contract I'd cut him immediately...because it's just too likely that he couldn't play more than a very limited role under the best circumstances, and couldn't play at all under the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 If we're going to play the Shula game, I think there're defenders much more deserving of "cut me" discussion than Adams. I have no interest in playing the Shula game. But unless I'm mistaken we're not talking about cutting several of the Bengals best players, spending Mike Brown's money on things we profess to have no real interest in, or writing post after post blaming Marvin Lewis for everything from player injuries to the weather. We're talking about whether a roster spot should be filled with a 360 lb. fat bastidge who admitted he was so out of shape that he couldn't practice for months, and couldn't play hard or well when he did get the chance. And I guess we're talking about whether we have any reason to expect anything different this coming season. And as for other players deserving to be cut more than Adams? Well, cut 'em. I fail to see how the decisions to keep or discard other players greatly impacts the decision of what to do with Sam Adams if he shows up at another training camp looking like, well....Sam Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 And for all of your claims about Adams being much improved in the 2nd half of the season there's still the issue of him being unable to play well, or at all, during much of the season due to the physical shape he showed up in after signing his contract.Wasn't his physical shape a result of still being hurt? Give him next season. He'll come into the training camp healthier and he'll lose the weight and be more healthier. He'll be ready for training camp. Unless he's blowing smoke up our arses -- which you never know with athletes these days not named Tim Hardaway) it seems that he really wants to prove his worth. I say let him. I just don't think we're going to be able to pluck one out of free agency. The draft? Maybe. But I've never been confident that the draft is any guarantee to find quality at that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 If he was really up to 370 come down to 330-340 area and i'd be happy....Still think Brob deserves to be cut more then sam on crappy play....just no more undersized guys >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Wasn't his physical shape a result of still being hurt? Give him next season. He'll come into the training camp healthier and he'll lose the weight and be more healthier. He'll be ready for training camp. Unless he's blowing smoke up our arses... Again, weight and see. But Adams own words make it pretty clear that he knows his fat neck is on the chopping block unless he can drop a ton of weight and start performing. And that's exactly the way it should be. Stats never tell the entire story, but c'mon...Adams didn't make a single solo tackle in eight out of his first ten games, and he never forced or recovered a single fumble all season long. So how hard do you think it would be to replace that type of production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I only stand for cutting Justin Smith and Tory James, we're halfway there.I don't care about Brian Simmons or Caleb Miller or John Thorton or Bryan Robinson either.I am also for bringing in a worthwhile FA, even if he stretches Mike Brown's billfold, holding Marvin accountable for what goes wrong on his watch, and building an indoor practice facility.Curse me!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Stats never tell the entire story, but c'mon...Adams didn't make a single solo tackle in eight out of his first ten games, and he never forced or recovered a single fumble all season long. So how hard do you think it would be to replace that type of produc tion?I don't know. The '06 Adams was disappointing, overall. He was getting better and better as the season wore on when his health started coming back to him. But his production has never been about tackles or fumbles (six career forced fumbles, five career recovered). Since joining Baltimore (2000), he's never had a season with more than 26 solos. He had 10 solos in '06 and four in September. (nfl.com) I know, I know -- your seething at numbers to prove your point of generic, at best, production for a defensive tackle. But let's "weight and see" for '07. 2006 just sucked all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I only stand for cutting Justin Smith and Tory James, we're halfway there.And that's where we'll stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 BTW, is anyone planning on going to any Jungle Cat games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Sam should smoke pot to lose weight. The Alpha and omega of football, yes I do this to annoy you. has spoken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Bumpity bumpity bump. This 3-month old thread went off the rails at the end, as most do, but I'm bumping it because it began with the article where Adams speculates about being cut. It's worth a second read. Again, in my opinion there's nothing odd about the timing of his release. In fact, if you read the entire thread you can almost hear me begging for a valid reason why Adams shouldn't have been cut already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted May 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 HairOnFire 1TDB 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 HoF:1Bengaldom:0Hopfully Brob is next to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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