Stripes Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 This news is somewhat old, but I didn't see any threads for it.The Hall of Fame inductees this year will be Michael Irvin, Thurman Thomas, Roger Wehrli, Charlie Sanders, and Gene Hickerson.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9972724I don't really disagree with any of the picks too much. It can be argued that Irvin shouldn't have gotten in until after Art Monk, but I'm not really in agreement with that.It does annoy me greatly, however, that Roger Wehrli is inducted without Ken Riley even garnering consideration. Let's compare the numbers:Roger Wehrli14 seasons7 pro bowls40 INT2 TDThose are very impressive numbers, and IMO they make him Hall of Fame worthy. Still, he can't compare with Riley's stats:Ken Riley15 seasons0 Pro bowls 65 INT - 5th in NFL history5 TDHow the hell can a guy finish his career with 65 interceptions, including a season with nine, and not make a single Pro Bowl? I wish I coulda seen him play. I never see highlights or anything of course given the fact that nobody outside Bengaldom knows who he is (or even the other famed Bengal Ken for that matter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacD BengalFan Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 This news is somewhat old, but I didn't see any threads for it.The Hall of Fame inductees this year will be Michael Irvin, Thurman Thomas, Roger Wehrli, Charlie Sanders, and Gene Hickerson.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9972724I don't really disagree with any of the picks too much. It can be argued that Irvin shouldn't have gotten in until after Art Monk, but I'm not really in agreement with that.It does annoy me greatly, however, that Roger Wehrli is inducted without Ken Riley even garnering consideration. Let's compare the numbers:Roger Wehrli14 seasons7 pro bowls40 INT2 TDThose are very impressive numbers, and IMO they make him Hall of Fame worthy. Still, he can't compare with Riley's stats:Ken Riley15 seasons0 Pro bowls 65 INT - 5th in NFL history5 TDHow the hell can a guy finish his career with 65 interceptions, including a season with nine, and not make a single Pro Bowl? I wish I coulda seen him play. I never see highlights or anything of course given the fact that nobody outside Bengaldom knows who he is (or even the other famed Bengal Ken for that matter).Ken Riley is very deserving but he played for the Bengals and thus, he will not garner the votes needed to get into the HOF. Art Monk has better numbers then Micheal Irvin but is still overlooked by the moronic HOF voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Art Monk has better numbers then Micheal Irvin but is still overlooked by the moronic HOF voters.In terms of total career production, Monk does have a slight edge over Irvin. Monk finished with 940 catches for 12,721 yards and 68 touchdowns. Irvin had 750 catches for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns. Those statistics are very close in my eyes, and both players won three Superbowls. I think the deciding factor for the voters (and I agree with them) was the fact that Irvin put up those numbers in a much shorter career, and he ranked higher among other receivers of his time than Monk did.I do agree that Monk should be there though, and he will be soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Riley suffers from the same thing that Ken Anderson does and that is lack of exposure and never winning the Super Bowl. Also zero Pro Bowl appearances hurts as well. I can't really think back and remember who might have beat Riley out for the Pro Bowl during those times but the Dolphins, Steelers and Raiders were the dominant AFC teams of the 1970's. I think Riley is in the top 5 in INT's and that is pretty impressive. Wohrli was a great player but there wasn't the same level of play in the NFC. The Cowboys were consistent throughout the 70's with a lot of other teams that were up for a few years then down. The Cardinals of that era had a few decent years when Jim Hart was QB but not anything more than the Bengals of that same time period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacD BengalFan Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Art Monk has better numbers then Micheal Irvin but is still overlooked by the moronic HOF voters.In terms of total career production, Monk does have a slight edge over Irvin. Monk finished with 940 catches for 12,721 yards and 68 touchdowns. Irvin had 750 catches for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns. Those statistics are very close in my eyes, and both players won three Superbowls. I think the deciding factor for the voters (and I agree with them) was the fact that Irvin put up those numbers in a much shorter career, and he ranked higher among other receivers of his time than Monk did.I do agree that Monk should be there though, and he will be soon.I think it is because of media exposure. Look who is on TV and who is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPalmer9 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Monk got screwed...he had the same numbers as Irvin did but Irvin got in. Irvin had a Troy Aikman throwing him the ball and art monk had average qbs throwin him the ball. Art Monk was never arrested and Irvin was. Irvin has a rep for being a coke head and Monk doesnt. Seems like the NFL got this one wrong...they should have waited a few more years on Irvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Art Monk was never arrested and Irvin was. Irvin has a rep for being a coke head and Monk doesnt.Thankfully the voters based their choices on football information. It's not the Pro Football Hall of Moral Achievement. Lawrence Taylor might be the best defensive player of all time... Imagine him not being voted in because of something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Art Monk was never arrested and Irvin was. Irvin has a rep for being a coke head and Monk doesnt.Thankfully the voters based their choices on football information. It's not the Pro Football Hall of Moral Achievement. Lawrence Taylor might be the best defensive player of all time... Imagine him not being voted in because of something like that. I wouldn't have a problem with that. LT and Irvin in the HOF is no different than saying everything happening with the Bengals is OK. We are all a bit hypocritical when it comes to things like this, yours truly included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 As far as Monk vs. Irvin...Irvin played more of his career in a pass-happy time than Monk. It's like comparing QBs from different eras, doesn't work. The fact is that when Monk retired, he'd caught more passes than anyone else in history. How does that NOT make you a first ballot HOFer? I think the voters must be retarded.Also, Irvin wasn't the only good receiver in that offense - Alvin Harper was pretty good too, at least until he went to TB and didn't have Aikman throwing to him anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Jay Novachek was also a great receiver at TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Monk held the record for most games with a catch for a long time...Ken Riley and Ken Anderson always get screwed...the Bengals continued to get screwed even into retirement. If only Reggie Williams could have gotten the job as Commish. Then the Bengals would get some respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yeah we have a crackhead in the Hall of Fame! Henry might have a chance now!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Monk held the record for most games with a catch for a long time...Ken Riley and Ken Anderson always get screwed...the Bengals continued to get screwed even into retirement. If only Reggie Williams could have gotten the job as Commish. Then the Bengals would get some respect. This will probably sound like blasphemy around here, but after I've actually sat down and reviewed Anderson's career (I wasn't alive to see it), I don't think he's a hall of famer. He just doesn't have the statistical credentials, IMO, to get in (though there are other QBs in there that shouldn't be for the same reason like Joe Namath). His single season completion percentage record looks like his best case, but I can understand why he doesn't receive much attention for Hall of Fame balloting.Ken Riley seems like a shoe in though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 This news is somewhat old, but I didn't see any threads for it.The Hall of Fame inductees this year will be Michael Irvin, Thurman Thomas, Roger Wehrli, Charlie Sanders, and Gene Hickerson.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9972724I don't really disagree with any of the picks too much. It can be argued that Irvin shouldn't have gotten in until after Art Monk, but I'm not really in agreement with that.It does annoy me greatly, however, that Roger Wehrli is inducted without Ken Riley even garnering consideration. Let's compare the numbers:Roger Wehrli14 seasons7 pro bowls40 INT2 TDThose are very impressive numbers, and IMO they make him Hall of Fame worthy. Still, he can't compare with Riley's stats:Ken Riley15 seasons0 Pro bowls 65 INT - 5th in NFL history5 TDHow the hell can a guy finish his career with 65 interceptions, including a season with nine, and not make a single Pro Bowl? I wish I coulda seen him play. I never see highlights or anything of course given the fact that nobody outside Bengaldom knows who he is (or even the other famed Bengal Ken for that matter).On HOF weekend, I am still totally pissed that Wehrli gets in and Riley is left out again. There is no reason for his nomination to the HOF that is a better argument than Riley has. During Riley's 9 int season he was overlooked by voters for the Pro-Bowl and his teammate Lamar Parrish (a great CB) was elected even though he was injured most of the year and did not have near the stats for the season. To base selection to the HOF on the votes of the idiots that pick Pro-Bowl players seems almost as idiotic as the way the federal goverment runs it's business.Riley should be in the HOF, he deserves it more than many of the enshrinees already there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Agreed. It sure makes you wonder how and who decides. Heck I'll bet that Riley was in more playoff games than Wehrli and I am pretty sure he played on the 1981 team in the Super Bowl. I know Wehrli didn't do that. The problem is that the Cardinals are one of the oldest teams in the NFL and they have been bad for a long time, so maybe they are throwing them a bone.Also I hope Thurman Thomas doesn't have to look for his helmet today.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Also I hope Thurman Thomas doesn't have to look for his helmet today.... "I couldn't find it," Thomas said. "I didn't know where it was. Usually, when the defense is on the field and somebody is moving toward our goal line, I leave my helmet on that end of the field. But for some reason, somebody moved it. I don't know why. "I missed the first couple of plays because somebody moved my helmet. I was very upset. I mean, the first two plays were running plays, and I wasn't in there to carry it. It was a situation where everybody was running around and no one knew where anything was." Sheeeiit! Here it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 I didn't know it but Wehrli (40 INTs) was part of the all decade team in the 70's. Playing in the NFC East probably helped with his exposure. He is also only the 7th true CB to make the Hall which I think hurts Riley's chances. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_1970s_All-Decade_TeamAs for the other three, I know who Willie Brown (39 INTs) is but I don't know anything about Jimmy Johnson (47 INTs) but I have heard of Louis Wright. But Wright's numbers (26 INTs) don't stack up to Riley's (65 INTs).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Wright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 I didn't know it but Wehrli (40 INTs) was part of the all decade team in the 70's. Playing in the NFC East probably helped with his exposure. He is also only the 7th true CB to make the Hall which I think hurts Riley's chances. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_1970s_All-Decade_TeamAs for the other three, I know who Willie Brown (39 INTs) is but I don't know anything about Jimmy Johnson (47 INTs) but I have heard of Louis Wright. But Wright's numbers (26 INTs) don't stack up to Riley's (65 INTs).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_WrightRiley is getting jobbed, his #'s are better or comparable to all the CB's in the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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